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Should Richard III Receive a Catholic Burial?
First Things ^ | February 4, 2013 | Mark Movsesian

Posted on 02/06/2013 4:11:39 AM PST by NYer

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You thought there couldn’t be a law and religion angle to today’s news—fascinating for us history nerds—that archaeologists have discovered the mortal remains of Richard III beneath a parking lot in Leicester? Think again. Plans are underway to re-inter the bones in the city’s Anglican Cathedral. Not so fast, say some: the hunchback king wasn’t a Protestant, but a Catholic, and he requires a Catholic burial. In fact, as Shakespeare fans know, Richard died at Bosworth Field (“A horse! A horse! My kingdom for a horse!”), defending his throne from Henry Tudor. Henry went on to reign as Henry VII; his son, Henry VIII, broke with Rome. As The Tablet’s blog argued this morning, “Had Richard prevailed at the Battle of Bosworth Field, there would have been no Henry VII, therefore no Henry VIII and no Reformation. England today might still be a Catholic country.” Think of it: no Reformation, no Established Church, no Archbishop Laud, no Puritans, no Great Migration — no Massachusetts! — and no Establishment Clause. Surely there’s a law review article in there somewhere.

Leicester Cathedral seems to know it’s facing a sensitive situation. A Catholic priest is keeping watch over Richard’s remains (as is an Anglican, I believe), and the cathedral is planning a “multifaith” burial ceremony. Personally, I’m not sure why English Catholics are so keen to claim Richard, anyway. They must be forgetting the nephews in the Tower.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; History; Mainline Protestant
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Mark Movsesian is Director of the Center for Law and Religion at St. John’s University.
1 posted on 02/06/2013 4:11:45 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Remains of Richard III
2 posted on 02/06/2013 4:13:06 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: All
Additional insight into this event.

King Richard III should be given a Catholic Requiem Mass in the Sarum Use, not a Church of England State funeral

3 posted on 02/06/2013 4:15:15 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Well it would be a nice gesture, esp so at the critical time for western civilization, for the Anglicans to make some inquiries to Rome.


4 posted on 02/06/2013 4:21:16 AM PST by exPBRrat
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To: SunkenCiv; All
And here is the CNN news article on the discovery of King Richard's remains.

Body found under parking lot is King Richard III, scientists prove


The base of the skull shows the larger of two potentially fatal injuries. This shows clearly how a section of the skull had been sliced off.


he complete skeleton showing the curve of the spine. Supporters of the infamous king, including members of the Richard III Society, hoped the discovery would force academics to rewrite history, which they say has been tainted by exaggerations and false claims.

Many additional photos at above source.

5 posted on 02/06/2013 4:21:16 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

From what I’ve been reading, the plan is to give him a Catholic mass at his reinternment.

But this article is kinda dumb. Richard was NOT a hunchback (he had scoliosis) and there is no evidence that he murdered his nephews. He actually was a brilliant administrator in the North as the Duke of Gloucester and a forward-thinking King. And pretty damned good-looking, too!


6 posted on 02/06/2013 4:26:10 AM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: NYer
no Massachusetts!

What could have not been...

7 posted on 02/06/2013 4:30:41 AM PST by RPTMS
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And ... still more information. From the BBC:

Richard III: Facial reconstruction shows king's features

8 posted on 02/06/2013 4:37:22 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: RPTMS

Really. I grew up there. ‘Twas not a pleasant experience, lets just say. So “Imagine no Massachusetts?” Um, okay!

Funny, from the image in the stained glass he really resembles me (other than that I am female). I even have scoliosis and am of British ancestry (and Catholic, although a convert). Things that make you go hmmm....


9 posted on 02/06/2013 4:42:22 AM PST by To Hell With Poverty (Ephesians 6:12 becomes more real to me with each news cycle.)
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To: NYer

Dick doesn’t care. He’s dead.

Matthew 8:22
But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


10 posted on 02/06/2013 4:44:21 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

That passage always confuses me a little. I thought the Jewish tradition required the dead to be buried PDQ after death. What was this guy doing out gallivanting around town? Shouldn’t he have been sitting shiva or something?


11 posted on 02/06/2013 4:58:47 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: NYer
He's already had a Catholic burial, I believe. His body was given over to the Leicester "Greyfriars" (Conventual Franciscans). IIRC, Henry VII paid for his funeral Mass(es)!

But it's obviously an anachronism to pretend he was an Anglican. Maybe it will cause at least a few people in the UK to take an objective look at the government-imposed religious revolution that swept their country in the 16th Century, as well as an objective look at the traditional Christianity of England that it swept away ... a Christianity that looked a lot more like that of the local TLM parish than it did that of the CofE.

12 posted on 02/06/2013 5:02:31 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Eepsy

Yeah, at a high level I sort of take it as instruction to care about bringing the Good News to the living more than about taking care of dead bodies, which are just so much rotting meat once the person leaves what Paul calls your “tent”.


13 posted on 02/06/2013 5:03:37 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: NYer
Henry's split from Rome was not a reformation per se, and the Reformation on the Continent had nothing to do with the Church of England.

If Richard is to get a religious funeral, it would be fitting that he receive a Catholic one.

14 posted on 02/06/2013 5:06:04 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: miss marmelstein

What would qualify as evidence?

The life of surplus princes were always precarious.


15 posted on 02/06/2013 5:20:57 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: cuban leaf
Wrong seven ways to Thursday. You miss the whole point of the Gospel passage, which has nothing to do with funerals and everything to do with putting a priority on following Jesus. Worse, you completely miss out on any kind of Christian anthropology when you dismiss the dead body of a Christian as "rotting meat". Paul says in Romans 8 that we await the redemption of our BODIES. Did you perhaps forget that Jesus Christ's "rotting meat" was raised from the dead bodily? Or perhaps you don't really believe in the Resurrection?

The "body is just rotting meat, the soul is all that counts" idea is Greek Platonism, not Christianity.

16 posted on 02/06/2013 5:24:10 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion

I’ve never heard that Henry VII paid for his funeral mass. I know he was buried with haste by the Grey Friars in a very shallow grave - as if they were concerned Henry was going to come after THEM. Several years later, the notoriously thrifty Henry coughed up about 50 pounds to put a tombstone over his grave. Eventually, that tombstone ended up in the poet Robert Herrick’s garden. The garden eventually become the infamous car park!


17 posted on 02/06/2013 5:26:12 AM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Eepsy

Whenever our Lord spoke of the “dead” he was speaking of those that were dead spiritually. This why He had to clarify to the Apostles what he meant by Lazarus was sleeping. Let the dead burying the dead has nothing to do with not giving anyone a proper burial. That is a corporal work of mercy.


18 posted on 02/06/2013 5:29:03 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: SampleMan

Well, everyone forgets (or never knew) that there was a third heir to the throne who came before Richard: his older brother George’s young son, Edward. He lived with Richard’s family in Yorkshire and was eventually murdered by...Henry VII.


19 posted on 02/06/2013 5:32:39 AM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: cuban leaf

Then why was Christ buried with great care by his Mother, joseph of Aramethea, Mary Magdelene, and St. John in accordance with Jewish Law especially if Christ showed us the way?


20 posted on 02/06/2013 5:37:55 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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