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Love Your Mormon Neighbors
The Gospel Coalition.org ^ | Feb. 4, 2013 | John Divito

Posted on 02/07/2013 4:42:47 PM PST by Colofornian

I was raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly referred to as Mormonism. Since my parents were active members of the LDS Church, I went to church every Sunday. And like many of those raised in the church, I had a testimony, was baptized when I turned 8, received the Aaronic priesthood at 12, and had a temple recommend. But as I grew older, I became less interested in my Mormon faith. So at age 18, instead of serving my two-year mission as I had been raised to do, I decided to go to college.

While I was pursuing my bachelor's degree, I came to trust in Jesus Christ alone for my salvation. Through my own study and hearing the Word taught at a campus ministry, I knew that I deserved God's punishment for my sins. I also knew that Mormonism did not have the answer, because I could never be good enough to gain eternal life. I came to faith in Christ, resting solely in what he had done for me—he fully paid for my sins on the cross, and in him I received his perfection and righteousness. Because of Christ, I have been reconciled to God and adopted as his son. Praise God for his free gift of salvation!

Continuing to Love Mormons

Now that I have been saved, I continue to have a deep love for Mormons and a strong desire for them to know hope and rest in Christ. Over the years, I have found that if they were not raised in the LDS Church then they generally became interested because of the care and love they received from Mormons. I also know that some became attracted to Mormonism because of their high moral standards and devotion to family. But however one becomes a Latter-day Saint, I am convinced that the teaching of the LDS Church does not provide true hope or security for eternal life. With millions of Mormons worldwide and their aggressive plan for expansion, I pray that all genuine believers will recognize that God has called us to reach out to Mormons with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Will you join with me? Then let me provide you with some counsel.

Love Your Mormon Neighbors

Yes, I am stating the obvious, but is it really so easy? We slam the door in the faces of Mormon missionaries. We tend to avoid our Mormon coworkers because of their weird beliefs and practices (don't they wear holy underwear?). We may even mock Mormons on our blogs, Facebook, Twitter, or other public forums. Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves why we act this way, repenting if necessary. We should love our Mormon neighbors, getting to know them and developing relationships with them as friends. Here's an idea: The next time we see Mormon missionaries, let us invite them over for dinner, enjoying their company.

Recognize Their Need for Christ

Scripture shows us why there are other religions in the world. According to the apostle Paul, unbelievers suppress the truth by their unrighteousness (Romans 1:18). So other religions are essentially counterfeit worldviews created by men who desire to keep living in sin and rebellion against God. We see this in religions that corrupt God's general revelation in creation (Romans 1:19ff), and we also see this in religions that corrupt God's special revelation in Scripture. The apostle Paul warns us against those who come and proclaim another Jesus, a different spirit, and a different gospel (Galatians 1:8; 2 Corinthians 11:4). So not everyone who claims to believe in Jesus Christ is a genuine believer. When you compare what Mormons teach with God's revelation in the Bible, you will quickly see that their teaching is not the faith "once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3). They need to believe in the true gospel of the true Christ with the true Spirit. Will you love them enough to share this gospel of hope with them?

Study Their Religion

If you were going to be a missionary in the Middle East, you would obviously have to understand the beliefs of Islam in order to effectively communicate the gospel to Muslims. It is no different when seeking to evangelize Mormons. You must recognize the differences between Mormonism and Christianity. Thankfully, there are many resources easily available today to help you. I would suggest Mormonism 101 by Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson as a worthwhile comparison between Mormonism and evangelical Christianity. I also highly recommend Speaking the Truth in Love to Mormons by Mark J. Cares. This book may be harder to find, but its "Dictionary of Mormonese" alone is worth the price. Since Mormons often "use the same language as Christians but with a different dictionary," you must understand how they use words to effectively share the gospel with them.

Learn Their Culture

Because of the LDS Church's history and unique identity, Mormonism is not merely a set of religious beliefs—it is also a culture. You should learn how Mormons live, what they value, and other important aspects of their culture. While I sometimes disagree with David Rowe and think he is too critical of traditional countercult apologetic efforts, I still recommend his book I Love Mormons because he insightfully explains and interacts with Mormon culture.

Treat Them Individually

When evangelizing Mormons, we should not debate Mormonism as an abstract system. We should be lovingly engaging with a real, living Mormon person. Most Mormons are not theological scholars. They are usually more interested in living a good and moral life. As a result of the LDS Church's emphasis on morality and family and a general lack of doctrinal understanding among its members, many Mormons today are unfamiliar with historic and even contemporary LDS Church teaching. We cannot assume that just because the church has taught something, an individual Mormon believes it. You need to take the time to know what your Latter-day Saint friend believes and then respond to his or her faith in light of the truth of God's Word.

Pray for Their Salvation

Salvation is of God, not man. Your persuasiveness or intellectual ability will not convince Mormons of the truth—only the Holy Spirit can open their hearts. As evangelical campus minister Will Metzger reminds us: "Prayer for others is the supreme God-ordained method in evangelism. Unless God changes a person's heart, nothing lasting will be achieved. Prayer is a means of raising dead sinners to life!" While we may be tempted to trust in our own abilities when evangelizing a Mormon, we must trust in God to give faith to those who hear the gospel. This critical truth must never be overlooked.

Have Confidence in Christ

I have talked to many Christians who believe that Mormons are somehow harder to win to Christ than others. While I recognize that there are challenges, all unbelievers are dead in their trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1). The salvation of Mormons is no more difficult for God than that of any other unbeliever. We should faithfully proclaim the gospel to Mormons, trusting in Christ to draw them to himself. Let us rest in his strength to save Mormons for his glory!

John Divito is a former Mormon, a graduate of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (MDiv 2007), and currently serves as the administrator for the Midwest Center for Theological Studies in Owensboro, Kentucky. He also serves as a deacon at Heritage Baptist Church.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Ministry/Outreach; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Prayer
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of John 14:6.

People in Spain and Germany and France have NEVER used the KJV - no matter WHAT 'version' has been created.

A few Americans (and perhaps other ENGLISH speaking people) have turned the KJV into an idol: something that CANNOT possibly be wrong or inaccurate in their mind; not realizing the Hebrew, Greek texts that underly the translation that is revered so much.

41 posted on 02/08/2013 4:14:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JAKraig
Mormons believe that there is no way to heaven except through Jesus Christ.

Thank's for showing the Reader's Digest version of MORMONism that it wants to present to the unsuspecting world.


 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

42 posted on 02/08/2013 4:18:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JAKraig
Mormons do not believe in works except in the same way that James in the New Testament does. “Show me your works and I’ll show you your faith”. “Faith without works is dead”.

This is demostratably not true!

WORKs are the very thing that ARE required for a 'true' MORMON to get and retain a valuable Temple Recommend - without which a 'mormon' will NOT attain the highest level of 'heaven' that MORMONism describes.


 

Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

43 posted on 02/08/2013 4:22:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JAKraig
In at least one case a husband and wife were struck down dead for not giving “all” their possessions to the church after saying they had.

Is THIS what MORMONism has taught you??


The BOOK says:

Acts 5:3

But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?


44 posted on 02/08/2013 4:25:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
What about those people who openly disparage these creeds?

What do you mean?

Folks like MORMONs???



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

45 posted on 02/08/2013 4:28:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
Love Your Mormon Neighbors

Rings a bit hollow to me!

46 posted on 02/08/2013 4:28:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
Well, I have yet to hear of a single active temple Mormon openly condemn Brigham as a false prophet for teaching this.

SLC 'mormons' have bigger things to worry about!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

47 posted on 02/08/2013 4:30:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: P-Marlowe
Don't compare Catholicism with Mormonism.

The STRUCTURE of them can, however, be compared.

After all, Catholics (RCC type) have the POPE that leads them.

MORMONs (the SLC type) have a Living Prophet® that lead them.




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng


48 posted on 02/08/2013 4:34:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: P-Marlowe
Don't compare Catholicism with Mormonism.

The STRUCTURE of them can, however, be compared.

After all, Catholics (RCC type) have real fancy churchs all over the world.

MORMONs (the SLC type) have real fancy Temples all over the world.

49 posted on 02/08/2013 4:39:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: D-fendr
I wish that it could serve as a guide for discussion for all on FR.

After the Kum-by-ya singing and group hugging comes the discussion about theology.

THAT is what causes the fur to fly!

50 posted on 02/08/2013 4:41:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: hosepipe
Who will be included in salvation and who will not..

Ok; thanks!


 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


1 John 3:21-24

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.




John 3:16-18

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

51 posted on 02/08/2013 4:46:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

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52 posted on 02/08/2013 6:31:51 AM PST by doc1019
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To: Elsie

This is a cool list of questions. My wife must be able to answer all of them afirmatively because she has a Temple Recommend. What is it that is wrong with these questions? I really am impressed by them. Every church should have something similar. Remember that these are not questions to go to church or even participate in taking the sacrament but just to go to the temple.

In all truth, thanks for posting the questions, I am impressed by them. I thought they were someting mysterious, I see they are not. I just don’t see anything bad about them.


53 posted on 02/08/2013 6:58:04 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Elsie
I appreciate you research but I think you don't understand what is being said in these quotes. To Mormons, anybody that goes to heaven become gods. Note the little “g”, they do not become God.

If someone were to come to earth now and shoot lightening bolts from his hands and move mountains and heal the sick, restore sight etc just by his words to us puny earthlings he would be a god. Even God recognized there were other “g”ods and made a commandment that we were to put none of them before Him.

When you understand the context of these quotes then there is nothing bad about them, it even makes some sense. There is nothing blasphemous about them. We may not agree with them but I can certainly understand what they mean and find no evil in it. God has had many prophets on the earth. They have all been revered or hated. Certainly the Mormons have a right to revere their own prophets too. ldquo;g

54 posted on 02/08/2013 7:11:32 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: MHGinTN

I’m not sure I agree with your or his (Clarks) reasoning.

I remember taking my little sister to see “Jesus Christ Superstar”. I was shocked at her lack of knowledge of the gospel. She cried at the end of the play, when I asked her what was wrong she said she hadden’t expected them to kill Him. I couldn’t believe my ears. I think that the Holy Spirit touched her and witnessed to her the truthfulness of the Gospel. I think it made a difference in her life. She didn’t go on to worship the guy that played the part in the play, she went on to worship what she thought Jesus was. I don’t know what she thought Jesus was, I don’t think it makes a difference. She worshiped the understanding of Christ given to her by a play and by the witness of the Holy Ghost.

I don’t know what every Mormon worships but I do know that my wife loves and worships the same Jesus Christ that I worship. She has devoted herself to Him much better than most of us. He is her Savior. I wish I was as good as her or even worked at it as hard as she does.

What I have found about Mormons is that many of them are just as sincere as my wife in their worship of The Lord Jesus Christ. I know you can but I just can’t fault their belief in Christ.


55 posted on 02/08/2013 7:22:59 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

“I’m not sure I agree with ...” Yhen there is still hope for you to figure it out. [Hint: salvation does not come from how hard you work at ‘it’, but from His Grace toward you; ‘not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by ...’ and therein is found the Truth of The Gospel.]


56 posted on 02/08/2013 7:32:05 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

True Christianity preaches the cross of Christ.

I didn't think I'd need to post this.... but I had to.

57 posted on 02/08/2013 7:46:58 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: JAKraig
Even their prophets say they do not worship the Biblical Christ.

It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (Seventy Bernard P. Brockbank,Ensign, May 1977, page 26)

There are those outside the LDS Church who say Latter-day Saints] do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. (President Gordon B. Hinckley, Church News, 20 June 1998, page 7)

And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit. (Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1966

So if you and your wife worship the same Christ, either you are both worshiping a false chirst or she isn't a mormon.

58 posted on 02/08/2013 8:27:41 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: P-Marlowe

“Where have you found FLDS people in Wyoming?”

Pardon my correction. (-:

We have a modest number of their families around here. Nice people, really. Different, but I’d rather have them as neighbors than just about anything we had in California.


59 posted on 02/08/2013 8:46:41 AM PST by MeganC (“Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!”)
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To: svcw

Your comments show me that you have absolutely no understanding of Mormons. I will try to address your comments.

The mormon jesus was conceived by Mary having physical sex with a god.
I have to agree that this is hard one. We know that she (Mary) knew no man. We are told in the New Testament that The Holy Ghost came upon her but I have no idea what that means. I only know she was a virgin as far as having sex with a man, she didn’t.

The mormon jesus is a half brother of satan.
Half brother? I don’t know that you are right, I think they teach that they are brothers in the same sense that you and I are brothers. Not that I can agree with them but I think it doesn’t hurt, Mormons teach that Jesus Christ was a Son of God. Mormons also teach that Satan was a son of God.

The mormon jesus is not sufficient for salvation.
You err seriously on this. I don’t know what doctrine you have twisted but I have attended their meetings and am married to one. They believe that the only name in Heaven or in the universe for that matter that can save them is Jesus Christ. That having been said, they do not believe that simply confessing the name of Jesus will save anybody. They believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet just like we believe that Moses or Elijah was a prophet. Like Mormons we revere prophets, we or they don’t worship them.

The mormon jesus is second to Joseph Smith.
This is just totally false.

The mormon jesus is not pay the price on the cross but in the garden.
The Mormon Jesus paid the price on the Cross and in the garden, it was all considered one process. Hundreds of thousands of people died on crosses perhaps millions. Dying on a cross is not a big deal, bearing the sins of the world, that is a big deal.

momornism teach that Joseph Smith is grater than their jesus.
This is a malicious lie.

mormonism teaches that jesus is not sufficient for salvation.
Mormons teach that just mouthing the word “Jesus” is not sufficient for salvation, true. Mormons believe and teach that if you want salvation that Christ offers you must then follow Him and obey His commandments. They teach that Christ has sent prophets to the earth, just like in earlier times, to show us how to follow Christ.

mormonism teaches salvation must be worked for.
In a sense this is true, they do. So? Do you not beleve that? Do you believe that simply confessing the name Jesus will bring you salvation? Jesus taught in the New Testament that we must be doers of the word not hearers only.

mormonism teaches that god was once a man.
I got to agree with you on this one. I don’t see how they get this but what does it matter, they teach He is God now. Why does it make a difference how He came to be God. It is impossible for the human mind to comprehend such eternal concepts anyway. Everyone wonders where God came from, Mormons just have an answer. I don’t know that it is a good answer but it is as good as anyone elses I guess.

mormonism teaches multi-gods.
Mormons do teach that there are many gods but only one God.
As I have said earlier, Mormons believe that anyone who goes to heaven is a “g”od. Note the little “g”. Even God says in the 10 commandments that we are to put no other gods before him.

When mormons say jesus they are not talking about the Biblical Jesus.
Who are they talking about? I know who my wife is talking about, she worships the Jesus that was born in Bethlehem of Mary, who escaped Herod by fleeing to Egypt and was raised by Mary and Joseph in Nasarath. The same Jesus who was Baptized by John when John thought he needed to be baptized by Jesus. The same Jesus that when baptized by John a voice was heard from heaven saying “This is My beloved Son”, The same Jesus whom the people saw a dove decend from heaven when he was baptized. The same jesus that turned water into wine in Canna at a wedding. The same Jesus Christ that healed cripples, that restored sight to the blind the same Jesus Christ that raised the daughter of Jarius and then Lazurus from the dead, Lazurus after he had been dead for three days. The same Jesus that in the garden of Gethsemane was visited by Moses Elijah and Elias. The same Jesus that was betrayed by Judas for thirty pieces of filthy silver. The Same Jesus that was Crucified after being found innocent of any crime by Pilate but was sentenced to die on the cross anyway and was scourged first even though He was innocent. The same Jesus who gave His life on the cross. He was not killed but gave up his own spirit to God. The same Jesus that was on Sunday after the crusifixion seen by Mary and many of His deciples. The same Jesus who taught the apostles for 40 days and then ascended to heaven while being witnessed by upwards of 500 people to sit at the right Hand of God. The same Jesus who was seen of Stephen as he was being marytered by being stoned sitting at the right hand of God. The same Jesus who was seen by Paul of Tarsus as he traveled to Damascus. The same Jesus that I know personally and love and last but not least, the same Jesus that loves me and you.

That is the Jesus the Mormons worship, is it not who you worship?


60 posted on 02/08/2013 9:08:24 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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