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Pope will announce on Monday date for canonization for over 800 saints
Rome Reports ^ | February 9, 2013

Posted on 02/09/2013 1:44:37 PM PST by NYer

February 9, 2013. (Romereports.com) Benedict XVI will announce on Monday the date for the canonization of over 800 new saints for the Catholic Church, during a consistory with cardinals. Among the soon to be saints are Mother Laura, the first Colombian saint, and Mother Lupita, the second female Mexican saint.   

Mother Lupita co-founded the religious congregation of the Handmaids of Saint Margaret Mary and of the Poor in Jalisco, Mexico. Mother Laura Montoya founded the Missionaries of St. Mary Immaculate and St. Catherine of Siena to help local indigenous people. 


The rest of the large group are the 813 martyrs of Otranto (Italy), killed by the Turks in the Fifteenth Century for not renouncing their faith. 

The ceremony will likely take place in October. Once it happens, Benedict XVI will have canonized more saints that his predecessor John Paul II, who elevated “only” 482 people to sainthood. 


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1 posted on 02/09/2013 1:44:44 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

Obama didn’t make the list. I’m shocked!


2 posted on 02/09/2013 1:48:08 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Otranto Cathedral, with reliquaries behind the high altar containing the 800 skulls from the severed heads of a band of Puglian Catholics martyred by Ottoman soldiery in the year of Our Lord 1480. They are commemorated in the Martyrology on August 14.

Ottoman invasion of Otranto

3 posted on 02/09/2013 1:48:59 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: Huskrrrr

Oh, right you have to be dead. Details.


4 posted on 02/09/2013 1:48:59 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Huskrrrr

He will be one day. Monday would be good for me.


5 posted on 02/09/2013 1:51:26 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Huskrrrr

He was canonized a few years ago by the University of Our Lady in South Bend, Indiana. No need for the pope to ratify their work. What does he know about this stuff anyway???


6 posted on 02/09/2013 1:56:29 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.
I honestly don't mean to be derisive of Catholicism, but ... so many saints.

Isn't this getting to be a little like ancient Rome, or modern day, poly-godded India ?

When I was a kid, there was St Christopher (and I don't know how he got to be) the patron saint of the highway, or travelers ...

and

St Jude, the patron saint of hopeless cases.

THAT'S the one my entire family prayed and payed to for me .

7 posted on 02/09/2013 2:13:55 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

A saint is a citizen of heaven. Are you saying that fewer people should be acknowledged as saints? Who, if anyone, do you think should be derecognized?


8 posted on 02/09/2013 2:17:00 PM PST by wideawake
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To: NYer

Thanks.


9 posted on 02/09/2013 2:19:24 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray.)
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To: knarf

“I honestly don’t mean to be derisive of Catholicism, but ... so many saints.”

Did you not read the article? 800+ of them were massacred by the Muslims. This is great news.


10 posted on 02/09/2013 2:22:40 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge; wideawake
No, I didn't read the article.

Traditionally, The Catholic church canonizes people after long investigation, that have been proven to have performed miricles.

Having died violently at the hands of a Satanic cult was an entry for Fox's book of martys .. not canonization.

I have no problem with people that are dead being saints ... the Bible is FULL of 'em ... more intrigueing is the Bible refers to LIVING people as saints.

My comment (did YOU read it ?) was a reflection on my memory of being a catholic boy and who the saints were in my mnemory banks.


I prefaced my comment to imply no animosity nor derision ... but I know you guys like to fight about it.

11 posted on 02/09/2013 2:32:58 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: NYer

If they weren’t saints when they died, it ain’t happening now!


12 posted on 02/09/2013 2:41:08 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: knarf
St. Christopher
13 posted on 02/09/2013 2:47:51 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (If you want to ring the bell - you got to swing the hammer hard!)
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To: knarf
My mother always prayed to St. Anthony. (Dear St. Anthony...Pleae come around. Something is lost and it must be found".

Well, she must have thought I was St. Anthony reborn....because she would sit in her chair and pray and tell me to .....look in the drawer....look on the top shelf etc, etc, etc....until the lost was found.

The truth of it...Mom lost it along time ago. (Sorry mom).

P.S. I believe St. Christopher was fired from sainthood.

14 posted on 02/09/2013 2:49:40 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Berlin_Freeper

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/upi/


15 posted on 02/09/2013 2:53:09 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: NYer

Soon, everyone can be a Saint


16 posted on 02/09/2013 3:05:55 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: knarf; JCBreckenridge; wideawake
I have no problem with people that are dead being saints ... the Bible is FULL of 'em ... more intrigueing is the Bible refers to LIVING people as saints.

Yes! There are many living saints! In canonizing certain "dead" as saints, the church offers up their lives as examples for the living. I expect this announcement will be met with outrage by the Muslim community. To cite an example, among the candidates for future sainthood are the Three Massabki Brothers.

Three devout Maronite brothers, Francis, Abdel Mohti and Rafael Massabki, lived in Damascus, Syria during the nineteenth century. Born of a family known for its piety, nobility and generosity, the Massabki brothers lived a life impregnated with a deep Maronite faith and love of God. In 1860, fear roamed the streets of Damascus as the men of Ahmed Pasha, the ruler of Syria, marked out crosses and falsely accused the “children of the Christians” with the act. As Muslims grew distasteful, they demanded their ruler to restore public peace and put an end to the chaos. Pasha gave orders to spread fire in Christian communities and imprison Christian men. As fire spread, his men rampaged between houses, massacring Christians and stealing their goods.

Fearing the furor and ferocity of the massacres, the three Massabki brothers headed to the Franciscan convent to take refuge. As Francis kneeled before the statue of the Sorrowful Mother and prayed, Pasha’s men infiltrated the scene and recognized him alone in the church. They advanced towards him and said, “We have come to save you, your brothers and your family on the condition that you deny your faith and convert to Islam.” Francis responded saying, “I do not fear those who can kill the body and no one can make me deny my Christian faith. I am a Maronite Christian and on the faith of Christ, I will die.” Francis began reciting a prayer and at that moment, they massacred him with their swords and hatchets.

Abdel Mohti ran to take refuge near his brother, Raphael, but was seized at the church’s door and asked to deny his faith as well. He proclaimed, “I am a Christian. Kill me, I am ready.” He was immediately martyred the same way as his brother, Francis. Preferring death over denying their faith in Christ, the three Massabki brothers were crowned martyrs and beatified October 7, 1926 by Pope Pius XI. Their feast day is celebrated on July 10.

When Jewish convert, Edit Stein, was proclaimed a saint, there was an uproar in the Jewish community. We expect the Muslims to have a similar reaction should the Three Massabki Brothers be canonized.

Today’s Catholics can look to the saints as role models as they stand up for religious freedom.

The saints are presented to believers as role models whose lives are worthy to be imitated.

Heb 6:12
... so that you may not become sluggish, but imitators of those who, through faith and patience, are inheriting the promises.
Heb 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us
1 Cor 11:1
Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.
Phil 3:17
Join with others in being imitators of me, brothers, and observe those who thus conduct themselves according to the model you have in us.

17 posted on 02/09/2013 3:07:57 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: GeronL
Soon, everyone can be a Saint

Mother Angelica would agree :-)

18 posted on 02/09/2013 3:16:41 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: wideawake

a Saint is a saved believer, all Christians are saints. This is just a sect pretending it still has rule over man.


19 posted on 02/09/2013 3:35:50 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: NYer

“first Colombian saint, and Mother Lupita, the second female Mexican saint.”

Sounds like a lot of PC PR to me.


20 posted on 02/09/2013 4:02:24 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Bulwyf
a Saint is a saved believer

And that's scriptural!

21 posted on 02/09/2013 4:08:22 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: knarf
I honestly don't mean to be derisive of Catholicism, but ... so many saints

you sorely misunderstand the Church and Saints. Everyone who dies in Gods grace is a potential saint. That includes you and me. The canonization of a person merely points out that the church has determined (and it takes some doing) that a person has lived a life so exemplary that the church declares that the person is indeed in Heaven. They were there all along, the church just declares that she believes it too.

22 posted on 02/09/2013 4:17:12 PM PST by terycarl
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
The process for Sainthood is a three-step process.

Saints [Catholic, Orthodox, Open]
SAINTHOOD 101: Rules for Becoming a Saint [Catholic Caucus]
The Process of Becoming a Saint (Canonization) [Catholic Caucus]
Pope Lists Criteria for Causes of Canonization

23 posted on 02/09/2013 4:18:04 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: terycarl
I shouldn't have used the word "potential" in my post.

Every person who dies in God's Grace is a saint.

24 posted on 02/09/2013 4:19:43 PM PST by terycarl
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
If they weren’t saints when they died, it ain’t happening now!

that is correct

25 posted on 02/09/2013 4:23:18 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Former Fetus
a Saint is a saved believer

And that's scriptural!


Yup read here
26 posted on 02/09/2013 4:23:18 PM PST by crosshairs (All we are saying, is give a high cap piece a chance.)
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To: Salvation

“The process for Sainthood is a three-step process.”

Yea, except in the Holy Scriptures it is a one step process: entrust yourself to Christ’s payment for your sins and you are set apart for Him as a saint.

Anything else distorts God’s pronouncement and is man-made.


27 posted on 02/09/2013 5:11:38 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: NYer
From The Real Guide: Italy (1990), 787:

"Otranto, a miniscule town nestling around its harbor, makes an ideal base for exploring this part of the Adriatic. It's only an hour by tain from Lecce...and still very much a quiet Puglian backwater...Its history, however, is decidedly grim. One the last Byzantine towns to fall to the Normans, in 1070, Otranto remained a thriving port for crusaders, pilgrims, and traders. But in 1480 a Turkish fleet layed [sic] siege to the town, which held out for fifteen days before capitulating. It's said that as punishment the archbishop, upon capture, suffered the indignity of being sawn in half, a popular Turkish spectacle. Nearly 12,000 people lost their lives and the 800 survivors, refusing to convert, were taken up a nearby hill and beheaded."

28 posted on 02/09/2013 5:47:33 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Huskrrrr
Obama didn’t make the list. I’m shocked!

I think he's on the other list.

29 posted on 02/09/2013 6:58:10 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Former Fetus

Yes it is, unlike most of the man made traditions the vatican throws around.


30 posted on 02/09/2013 7:33:10 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Did you read any of the links?

Since when are miracles man-made?


31 posted on 02/09/2013 9:00:18 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
Benedict XVI will announce on Monday the date for the canonization of over 800 new saints for the Catholic Church

Looks like a good time to buy shares in your local candle, velvet-painting, and plaster-statue manufacturer.

32 posted on 02/09/2013 10:36:35 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: knarf

“No, I didn’t read the article.”

Well, then. Read the article.


33 posted on 02/09/2013 10:53:18 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: CodeToad

Right. Which is why he nominated more than 800 slaughterd by the Muslims. Because der Panzerkardinel is PC.


34 posted on 02/09/2013 10:55:41 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

So, get killed for refusing to convert to Islam and that makes a person a Saint? Kind of a low bar, really.


35 posted on 02/10/2013 5:50:41 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: NYer

“The rest of the large group are the 813 martyrs of Otranto (Italy), killed by the Turks in the Fifteenth Century for not renouncing their faith.”

In the rush to denigrate the Faith, the obvious message being sent by Benedict to the Muslim world is missed.

No quarter. No giving way. No compromise.


36 posted on 02/10/2013 5:53:47 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: CodeToad

“So, get killed for refusing to convert to Islam and that makes a person a Saint? Kind of a low bar, really.”

Let’s see you travel to Saudi Arabia and pray in Christ’s name in the middle of Ryadih.

Talk is cheap.


37 posted on 02/10/2013 5:55:52 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: CodeToad

Yeah, they are sorta called ‘martyrs’.


38 posted on 02/10/2013 5:56:04 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Verginius Rufus
It's said that as punishment the archbishop, upon capture, suffered the indignity of being sawn in half, a popular Turkish spectacle.

Ouch! Nearly 1000 years later, and we are still seeing christians martyred by the muslims. Thanks for posting that fascinating history on the town.

39 posted on 02/10/2013 6:06:11 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer
The rest of the large group are the 813 martyrs of Otranto (Italy), killed by the Turks in the Fifteenth Century for not renouncing their faith.

Amidst all the arguing about sainthood and its meaning, we're missing a very important issue here and it will be interesting to see if the MSM and indeed, the jihadists themselves, pick up on this.

He's canonizing over 800 people who were slaughtered by Muslims. You know the old Islamic "convert or die" threat? Well these folks said...."we'd prefer to die; we're not converting".

Major message for the post-Christian world of the 21st century, under assault from radical Islam.

40 posted on 02/10/2013 6:48:50 AM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: Salvation; aMorePerfectUnion
Miracles mean nothing, as even the enemy creates spectacles readily deemed "miracles" by men. He gladly does so to mislead us away from placing our trust solely in Christ so that he might thereby rob us of our salvation.

If miracles were a standard for salvation, why does Paul warn us to be in 2 Thessalonians 2:9 of false signs and wonders?

We must always be on our guard against prelest, against spiritual deception. False miracles are the coal upon which the fires of prelest burn.

We should instead turn our attention to that threefold miracle which truly matters, namely that Christ died to destroy our death, rose again to life to restore us to life, and that by trusting in Him and placing our faith in His finished work we are adopted as sons and daughters by His Father into His Heavenly Kingdom. Anything else is a futile attempt to add to what Christ has already done.

Our good works do not save us, as they are not ours but are rather the grace of God working through us; at the end of the day we are but unprofitable sinners. If we trust in our works to save us, we are dead, because we have taken credit for what God Himself has done. But a saving faith necessarily produces good works or it is no faith at all and we are dead despite our protests that we believe.

I personally have no doubt that these men are saints. Their act of choosing martyrdom instead of conversion to an heathen faith, however, does not in itself make them saints. Nor are they saints because of any miracles which may or may not be attributed to them. They are, rather, saints insofar as they placed the whole of their faith in Jesus Christ and His accomplished work for their salvation; that alone is what makes them saints. Martyrdom is simply perhaps the greatest of fruits that can come of one's faith. But martyrdom does not save us. Insofar as they had courage to stand martyrs and insofar as as they had the grace to actually choose death in the service of Heaven and Christ rather than death in the service of Hell and Satan, they did so solely because God granted it them.

Good deeds do not make saints. Miracles do not make saints. Men sitting on thrones in ancient cities do not make saints. Saints come from the work of Jesus Christ alone and the faith which He grants us to have in Him.

41 posted on 02/10/2013 6:55:36 AM PST by MWS
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To: Salvation

What he said: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2986938/posts?page=41#41


42 posted on 02/10/2013 7:48:43 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: MWS

“Their act of choosing martyrdom instead of conversion to an heathen faith, however, does not in itself make them saints.”

“If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.”

#stuffJesusactuallysaid.


43 posted on 02/11/2013 1:18:13 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: OpusatFR

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/508/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png


44 posted on 02/11/2013 1:20:07 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: MWS

What about love for your neighbour? Does that make you saved?


45 posted on 02/11/2013 1:22:11 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: knarf; JCBreckenridge; wideawake
knarf: Isn't this getting to be a little like ancient Rome, or modern day, poly-godded India ?

Then knarf: I prefaced my comment to imply no animosity nor derision ... but I know you guys like to fight about it.

So, knarf, I mean to imply no animosity nor derison, but when did you stop beating your wife?

Sheesh, folks think that they can call Christians polytheists with "no animosity" by say "I mean to imply no animosity" and then throwing the muck?

46 posted on 02/11/2013 4:50:08 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Bulwyf; Former Fetus

do you read anything before commenting? The list of saints is by no means and never portrayed as being the only list of those who are saved. The saints we know of are heroes/heroines of the faith — role models who followed the great role model - Christ. There are plenty of those who are not known of — and the Church knows that, but these canonized saints are the ones we do know of


47 posted on 02/11/2013 4:53:37 AM PST by Cronos
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To: CodeToad; JCBreckenridge

refusing to convert to Islam and getting killed is pretty much more than either you or I have done...


48 posted on 02/11/2013 4:54:35 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Bulwyf; Former Fetus; knarf
btw, the Catholic Church are not the only to acknowledge / canonize saints -- the Eastern Orthodox, Copts, Syriacs, Ethiopians all canonize saints

And Lutherans and Anglicans recognize some of the saints as defined in Catholicism

49 posted on 02/11/2013 5:31:29 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

apparently animosity means ‘full of soul’ ;)


50 posted on 02/11/2013 6:06:09 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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