Skip to comments.Pope will announce on Monday date for canonization for over 800 saints
Posted on 02/09/2013 1:44:37 PM PST by NYer
February 9, 2013. (Romereports.com) Benedict XVI will announce on Monday the date for the canonization of over 800 new saints for the Catholic Church, during a consistory with cardinals. Among the soon to be saints are Mother Laura, the first Colombian saint, and Mother Lupita, the second female Mexican saint.
Mother Lupita co-founded the religious congregation of the Handmaids of Saint Margaret Mary and of the Poor in Jalisco, Mexico. Mother Laura Montoya founded the Missionaries of St. Mary Immaculate and St. Catherine of Siena to help local indigenous people.
Obama didn’t make the list. I’m shocked!
Oh, right you have to be dead. Details.
He will be one day. Monday would be good for me.
He was canonized a few years ago by the University of Our Lady in South Bend, Indiana. No need for the pope to ratify their work. What does he know about this stuff anyway???
Isn't this getting to be a little like ancient Rome, or modern day, poly-godded India ?
When I was a kid, there was St Christopher (and I don't know how he got to be) the patron saint of the highway, or travelers ...
St Jude, the patron saint of hopeless cases.
THAT'S the one my entire family prayed and payed to for me .
A saint is a citizen of heaven. Are you saying that fewer people should be acknowledged as saints? Who, if anyone, do you think should be derecognized?
“I honestly don’t mean to be derisive of Catholicism, but ... so many saints.”
Did you not read the article? 800+ of them were massacred by the Muslims. This is great news.
Traditionally, The Catholic church canonizes people after long investigation, that have been proven to have performed miricles.
Having died violently at the hands of a Satanic cult was an entry for Fox's book of martys .. not canonization.
I have no problem with people that are dead being saints ... the Bible is FULL of 'em ... more intrigueing is the Bible refers to LIVING people as saints.
My comment (did YOU read it ?) was a reflection on my memory of being a catholic boy and who the saints were in my mnemory banks.
I prefaced my comment to imply no animosity nor derision ... but I know you guys like to fight about it.
If they weren’t saints when they died, it ain’t happening now!
Well, she must have thought I was St. Anthony reborn....because she would sit in her chair and pray and tell me to .....look in the drawer....look on the top shelf etc, etc, etc....until the lost was found.
The truth of it...Mom lost it along time ago. (Sorry mom).
P.S. I believe St. Christopher was fired from sainthood.
Soon, everyone can be a Saint
Yes! There are many living saints! In canonizing certain "dead" as saints, the church offers up their lives as examples for the living. I expect this announcement will be met with outrage by the Muslim community. To cite an example, among the candidates for future sainthood are the Three Massabki Brothers.
Three devout Maronite brothers, Francis, Abdel Mohti and Rafael Massabki, lived in Damascus, Syria during the nineteenth century. Born of a family known for its piety, nobility and generosity, the Massabki brothers lived a life impregnated with a deep Maronite faith and love of God. In 1860, fear roamed the streets of Damascus as the men of Ahmed Pasha, the ruler of Syria, marked out crosses and falsely accused the children of the Christians with the act. As Muslims grew distasteful, they demanded their ruler to restore public peace and put an end to the chaos. Pasha gave orders to spread fire in Christian communities and imprison Christian men. As fire spread, his men rampaged between houses, massacring Christians and stealing their goods.
Fearing the furor and ferocity of the massacres, the three Massabki brothers headed to the Franciscan convent to take refuge. As Francis kneeled before the statue of the Sorrowful Mother and prayed, Pashas men infiltrated the scene and recognized him alone in the church. They advanced towards him and said, We have come to save you, your brothers and your family on the condition that you deny your faith and convert to Islam. Francis responded saying, I do not fear those who can kill the body and no one can make me deny my Christian faith. I am a Maronite Christian and on the faith of Christ, I will die. Francis began reciting a prayer and at that moment, they massacred him with their swords and hatchets.
Abdel Mohti ran to take refuge near his brother, Raphael, but was seized at the churchs door and asked to deny his faith as well. He proclaimed, I am a Christian. Kill me, I am ready. He was immediately martyred the same way as his brother, Francis. Preferring death over denying their faith in Christ, the three Massabki brothers were crowned martyrs and beatified October 7, 1926 by Pope Pius XI. Their feast day is celebrated on July 10.
When Jewish convert, Edit Stein, was proclaimed a saint, there was an uproar in the Jewish community. We expect the Muslims to have a similar reaction should the Three Massabki Brothers be canonized.
Todays Catholics can look to the saints as role models as they stand up for religious freedom.
The saints are presented to believers as role models whose lives are worthy to be imitated.
Mother Angelica would agree :-)
a Saint is a saved believer, all Christians are saints. This is just a sect pretending it still has rule over man.
“first Colombian saint, and Mother Lupita, the second female Mexican saint.”
Sounds like a lot of PC PR to me.
And that's scriptural!
you sorely misunderstand the Church and Saints. Everyone who dies in Gods grace is a potential saint. That includes you and me. The canonization of a person merely points out that the church has determined (and it takes some doing) that a person has lived a life so exemplary that the church declares that the person is indeed in Heaven. They were there all along, the church just declares that she believes it too.
Saints [Catholic, Orthodox, Open]
SAINTHOOD 101: Rules for Becoming a Saint [Catholic Caucus]
The Process of Becoming a Saint (Canonization) [Catholic Caucus]
Pope Lists Criteria for Causes of Canonization
Every person who dies in God's Grace is a saint.
that is correct
“The process for Sainthood is a three-step process.”
Yea, except in the Holy Scriptures it is a one step process: entrust yourself to Christ’s payment for your sins and you are set apart for Him as a saint.
Anything else distorts God’s pronouncement and is man-made.
"Otranto, a miniscule town nestling around its harbor, makes an ideal base for exploring this part of the Adriatic. It's only an hour by tain from Lecce...and still very much a quiet Puglian backwater...Its history, however, is decidedly grim. One the last Byzantine towns to fall to the Normans, in 1070, Otranto remained a thriving port for crusaders, pilgrims, and traders. But in 1480 a Turkish fleet layed [sic] siege to the town, which held out for fifteen days before capitulating. It's said that as punishment the archbishop, upon capture, suffered the indignity of being sawn in half, a popular Turkish spectacle. Nearly 12,000 people lost their lives and the 800 survivors, refusing to convert, were taken up a nearby hill and beheaded."
I think he's on the other list.
Yes it is, unlike most of the man made traditions the vatican throws around.
Did you read any of the links?
Since when are miracles man-made?
Looks like a good time to buy shares in your local candle, velvet-painting, and plaster-statue manufacturer.
“No, I didn’t read the article.”
Well, then. Read the article.
Right. Which is why he nominated more than 800 slaughterd by the Muslims. Because der Panzerkardinel is PC.
So, get killed for refusing to convert to Islam and that makes a person a Saint? Kind of a low bar, really.
“The rest of the large group are the 813 martyrs of Otranto (Italy), killed by the Turks in the Fifteenth Century for not renouncing their faith.”
In the rush to denigrate the Faith, the obvious message being sent by Benedict to the Muslim world is missed.
No quarter. No giving way. No compromise.
“So, get killed for refusing to convert to Islam and that makes a person a Saint? Kind of a low bar, really.”
Let’s see you travel to Saudi Arabia and pray in Christ’s name in the middle of Ryadih.
Talk is cheap.
Yeah, they are sorta called ‘martyrs’.
Ouch! Nearly 1000 years later, and we are still seeing christians martyred by the muslims. Thanks for posting that fascinating history on the town.
Amidst all the arguing about sainthood and its meaning, we're missing a very important issue here and it will be interesting to see if the MSM and indeed, the jihadists themselves, pick up on this.
He's canonizing over 800 people who were slaughtered by Muslims. You know the old Islamic "convert or die" threat? Well these folks said...."we'd prefer to die; we're not converting".
Major message for the post-Christian world of the 21st century, under assault from radical Islam.
If miracles were a standard for salvation, why does Paul warn us to be in 2 Thessalonians 2:9 of false signs and wonders?
We must always be on our guard against prelest, against spiritual deception. False miracles are the coal upon which the fires of prelest burn.
We should instead turn our attention to that threefold miracle which truly matters, namely that Christ died to destroy our death, rose again to life to restore us to life, and that by trusting in Him and placing our faith in His finished work we are adopted as sons and daughters by His Father into His Heavenly Kingdom. Anything else is a futile attempt to add to what Christ has already done.
Our good works do not save us, as they are not ours but are rather the grace of God working through us; at the end of the day we are but unprofitable sinners. If we trust in our works to save us, we are dead, because we have taken credit for what God Himself has done. But a saving faith necessarily produces good works or it is no faith at all and we are dead despite our protests that we believe.
I personally have no doubt that these men are saints. Their act of choosing martyrdom instead of conversion to an heathen faith, however, does not in itself make them saints. Nor are they saints because of any miracles which may or may not be attributed to them. They are, rather, saints insofar as they placed the whole of their faith in Jesus Christ and His accomplished work for their salvation; that alone is what makes them saints. Martyrdom is simply perhaps the greatest of fruits that can come of one's faith. But martyrdom does not save us. Insofar as they had courage to stand martyrs and insofar as as they had the grace to actually choose death in the service of Heaven and Christ rather than death in the service of Hell and Satan, they did so solely because God granted it them.
Good deeds do not make saints. Miracles do not make saints. Men sitting on thrones in ancient cities do not make saints. Saints come from the work of Jesus Christ alone and the faith which He grants us to have in Him.
“Their act of choosing martyrdom instead of conversion to an heathen faith, however, does not in itself make them saints.”
“If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Fathers commands and remain in his love. I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down ones life for ones friends.”
What about love for your neighbour? Does that make you saved?
Then knarf: I prefaced my comment to imply no animosity nor derision ... but I know you guys like to fight about it.
So, knarf, I mean to imply no animosity nor derison, but when did you stop beating your wife?
Sheesh, folks think that they can call Christians polytheists with "no animosity" by say "I mean to imply no animosity" and then throwing the muck?
do you read anything before commenting? The list of saints is by no means and never portrayed as being the only list of those who are saved. The saints we know of are heroes/heroines of the faith — role models who followed the great role model - Christ. There are plenty of those who are not known of — and the Church knows that, but these canonized saints are the ones we do know of
refusing to convert to Islam and getting killed is pretty much more than either you or I have done...
And Lutherans and Anglicans recognize some of the saints as defined in Catholicism
apparently animosity means ‘full of soul’ ;)