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My Sunday at an Atheistic Church
Christian Post ^ | February 8, 2013 | Kyle Beshears

Posted on 02/10/2013 11:22:29 AM PST by NYer

Last month I stumbled upon an article about an atheistic “church service” in London. I didn’t even read the whole thing before I decided I had to go.

The Sunday Assembly, as the group is called, meets once a month at The Nave in North London for “anybody searching for a sense of community, to meet and ‘turn good intentions into action.’”

It is, all things considered, an atheistic church.

Yes. A church for atheists.

The Nave – new home to the atheistic church The Sunday Assembly

This morning I woke up, sacrificed hearing Os Guinness speak at my own church, and ventured down to Islington with my wife who is used to being dragged to peculiar things like this by now.

We showed up 40 minutes early, but weren’t the first ones there.

In typical British fashion, we all politely “queued up” as we waited for the doors to open. The press was there catching interviews. (They also recorded the entire service along with the attendees to a point that it made it uncomfortable).

In fact, I’ll probably end up in The Guardian or The Independent. I can see it now: Local Atheist Londoner Worships at The Sunday Assembly.

You can’t trust everything you read in the news.

People “queuing up” to attend the second-ever service of The Sunday Assembly. Media reporters captured every moment.

Once the doors opened, the church filled up fast. In fact, by the time the service started there was standing room only. There had to have been about 200+ in a church meant to comfortably hold 150.

After snagging two great seats, I surreptitiously wandered around taking photos of the event. I was, after all, running a clandestine intel-gathering mission behind enemy lines. In just three months, I’ll be joining the staff of a church. Before then, however… game on. (Sarcasm, for those who don’t know me.)

Standing room only in the back. Eventually, the balcony was full as well.

To be honest, I was taken aback by how many people showed up. Church planters dream of a second-ever service this full, and here I was in the midst of atheists, humanists, and agnostics who were all anticipating something new, something fresh, something exciting for their movement.

Just ten minutes before the service was set to start and the place was packed. More were in the balcony, standing in the back and in the foyer.

Once 11:00 came the service kicked off with the band.

Yes. There was an atheistic church band. (Bet you never thought you’d read that in your life.) It was led by comedian Pippa Evans.

A (perhaps first-ever) atheistic church band leading the congregation in hits from Queen, Stevie Wonder, and Nina Simone.

Once the band had captured our attention, the “pastor” figure of this service exploded onto the stage. And he was hilarious.

Rightfully so, as the entire service was led by British comedian Sanderson Jones. Jones kicked the service off by warmly welcoming everyone and offering an amusing story of how he had learned that it was actually fellow atheists, not Christians as he had expected, who vocally disapproved of The Sunday Assembly.

He displayed a screenshot of his twitter feed from one disgruntled atheist who claimed that the term “church” to all atheists is like the term “concentration camp” to all Jews. Jones made short work of the mystery atheist – it was pretty funny.

After his introduction, we sang a Queen song as the service moved along.

ONE IN A BILLION

After some singing, the service shifted to the talk.

It was given by the (wonderfully articulate and intelligent) guest speaker, Harry Cliff – a researcher at the University of Cambridge and super particle physicist from CERN. Cliff delivered a great talk, which I believe ironically pointed to the very God of creation that the church was disavowing.

His talk, entitled “It’s a Wonder We’re All Here” in keeping with the theme of “wonder,” centered around the seeming impossibility of all matter (and consequently us) of existing at all. Why are we all here to wonder why we’re all here in the first place?

As Cliff explained, according to a theory from physicist Paul Dirac, nothing should exist. The stars, the planets, us, all matter… none of it should exist. But it does. So why?

The answer is found in anti-matter. ”Whenever you create a particle of anti-matter,” Cliff explained, “you also have to create a particle of matter.” Likewise, whenever matter and anti-matter meet, they annihilate each other, a la the spectacular climax to Dan Brown’s Angels & Demons.

Couple this with the theory of the Big Bang, when energy was converted into matter, and the symmetry of one particle of anti-matter to one particle of matter should have made everything disappear. What should have happened after the Big Bang is not the universe we know today, but rather a cold, empty universe of nothing. No stars, no galaxies, no us, no nothing.

But, again, here we are. So, what happened?

Cliff, in his own words, explained what happened.

Harry Cliff gives his talk “It’s A Wonder We’re All Here”

“At the Big Bang, matter and anti-matter annihilate each other producing particles of light so every billion particles of light corresponds to one of those annihilations. So everything in the universe is just one-billionth of what was originally there – we are just a tiny leftover of what was there at the beginning of the universe.

All of that is enough to create all the galaxies, all the stars, all the stuff of you and me. So we are basically talking of absolute, tiny asymmetry of matter and anti-matter that allowed us to exist. In fact, if the asymmetry hadn’t been there, we would live in a completely empty universe.”

“So,” I thought to myself, “at the creation of the universe from nothing there was an inconceivable amount of light followed by the most improbable conditions that allowed for the entire universe to exist.”

I couldn’t hold back a huge smile.

Why? Because Cliff’s talk sounded an awful lot like this:

“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

The earth was without form and void…

and God said, ‘Let there be light.’”

Genesis 1.1-3

Here we were at an atheistic church service being delivered evidences of both God’s existence (the improbability of asymmetry at the Big Bang) and the Bible’s trustworthiness (the fact that God’s first creative act was light).

Awesome.

Although, I doubt anyone else in the church shared my sentiment.

My only complaint about Cliff’s talk was that he never discussed the obvious question of how the most improbable condition was probable in the first place. What made the asymmetry, well, asymmetrical? He essentially sidestepped the chicken-or-the-egg issue with the Big Bang.

Perhaps it’s because there needed to be an intelligence behind the asymmetry of matter and anti-matter in order to bring about the creation of the universe in the most explosive display of light in the universe’s entire existence.

The answer is clear – God caused the conditions for the asymmetry. Furthermore, an ancient culture of divinly-inspired Jews nailed it on describing the event. If you’re not looking at this data from a theistic perspective, the obvious will always evade you.

But, hey. That’s just me.

“I WANTED MUSIC AND COMMUNITY AGAIN”

Throughout the service, I began to notice a consistent theme with almost everyone we spoke with, overheard, or witnessed in the service – everyone missed the music and community of their childhood experiences in church and want to bring it back into their lives.

I feel comfortable saying that many of the atheists in attendance were there precisely because they missed the community and songs of church.

The leader, Jones, mentioned that he missed the community and songs that his childhood church had given him. The woman seated behind us made a similar claim. Another woman, I overheard, said she missed singing songs and being with other people.

“When I was a kid, at church there was always music and other people. I wanted music and community again,” she said in a conversation with a fellow atheist.

It seemed that most people were there for those very reasons – community and singing. Or, what we Christians like to call, fellowship and worship.

The congregation standing just before singing “Superstition” by Stevie Wonder.

People missed the fellowship and worship they left behind in their childhood churches, but have since yearned for a return to them.

The more I came to realize this point, the more obvious it became – all of these people, made in God’s image, are simply trying to fill the void of their design and purpose without actually knowing how.

Every human is created in the image of a triune God (community) who designed us to worship. That doesn’t go away simply because you don’t believe in Him.

Deep down in every human being, we yearn to be in community and fellowship, just like the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have enjoyed for eternity.

Deep down in every human being, we are compelled to worship, because it’s what we were created to do.

Just because you’re an atheist doesn’t mean that all goes away. And today only drove that point home for me. It’s doesn’t matter if you don’t believe in God, every human being still desires community and wants to worship. Where we find our community and what we worship, however, is what will eventually define our joy, lives, and destinies.

Everyone at The Sunday Assembly seemed to believe that by adding community once a month and singing random songs, they will fill that nagging void in their life.

The more I though about this, the more I wanted to stand on my chair and yell “You’re missing the point! It’s not enough!” But, perhaps the unusually large amount of cameras and journalists stopped me in my tracks. After all, I didn’t want to be that guy.

It doesn’t matter how many songs you sing or how many people you hang out with – if it’s not centered around Jesus (the true reason for church in the first place) it’s never going to be enough.

The Sunday Assembly was gathered today in celebration of life, but not the life.

The Sunday Assembly attempted to instill wonder, but without the God of Wonder behind it.

The Sunday Assembly tried to experience a spirit in singing, but without the Holy Spirit of a good, perfect, and loving God.

They are missing the point entirely.

Church isn’t about music, it isn’t about making people feel happy, and it isn’t about instilling wonder. Church isn’t even about getting together in community to get your felt needs met.

Church is about Jesus.

Because we were designed to worship and to live in community, we do get some felt needs met at church, but it’s not the entire focus or purpose of church. The entire focus and purpose of church should be Jesus.

Until the good people of The Sunday Assembly understand this simple truth, they will never fill that missing void of worshipping Jesus in the community of imperfect yet redeemed people, no matter how many songs they sing, guest speakers they have, or good works they promote.

THE “REAL CHURCH” NEXT DOOR

Next to The Nave was a small (in comparison, tiny) chapel annex that was housing an African worship service. While we were first “queuing up” to get in The Nave, a woman dressed in Sunday’s best squeezed her way past us. ”Excuse me,” she politely asked for a clearing to walk through. Two women behind us giggled as one muttered, “I bet she’s going to real church.”

The real church service started before The Sunday Assembly and was still running after our service had ended. I snuck into the back of the chapel annex to hear the prayer that the pastor of this tiny church offered his congregation in the shadow of their new atheist neighbors next door.

The annex next to The Nave where “real church” was being held.

His voice filled the room.

“We love you Jesus,” he said with a thick African accent. “We love you so much and want other’s to know you, so they can experience your love and, in return, love you simply for who you are and what you’ve done for us.”

“Amen,” I thought to myself. That was the most encouraging thing I had heard all day.

A group of people, most of whom were down-and-out, gathered together in community to worship Jesus in song and prayer. No media attention, no comedian-led entertainment, no high-profile speaker.

Just a few Jesus people getting together to worship, fellowship, and pray on a Sunday morning.

Now that’s church.

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UPDATE: The Guardian did a piece on this service. In it, an interesting quote;

“‘I feel sorry for the church next door, waiting for their three people to trickle in,’” says Nick Julius, glancing at the small adjacent hall that will shortly be hosting its own gathering.”

Don’t feel sorry for them, Nick. They were the ones attending church this morning.

Also, check out BBC’s piece on the service.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: atheists; europeanchristians; spiritualjourney

1 posted on 02/10/2013 11:22:37 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ignorance is bliss .... ping!


2 posted on 02/10/2013 11:24:16 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer
Neither theist nor atheist, I have no need for a church and enjoy a little more sleep on Sunday morning.

Why an a-theist needs a "church" is beyond me.

3 posted on 02/10/2013 11:41:34 AM PST by cerberus
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To: NYer

Interesting on what the atheists want and are attempting to call church.

Nostalgia isn’t worship. Everyone is comforted being in a place that may remind you of good times or familiarity and such, but that alone isn’t worship or “church”.

A guy up on stage doing his comedy routine isn’t worship, or “church”.

Singing a bunch of rock songs, isn’t “church”.

This is people knowing they lack something because they have a void in their lives, and they’re trying to fill it with worldly crap that doesn’t matter. Many won’t ever fill it with the thing they need the most, Jesus Christ, because He’s the only thing that will fill that God-shaped void. But they aren’t looking for Him because they don’t believe He is God. They’re trying to fill the empty space in themselves God would occupy, with everything but God.

And when you do that, you eventually realize nothing fills that space, and you either conclude only God could, or you don’t figure it out and get more and more depressed because nothing you try fills that void.


4 posted on 02/10/2013 11:41:43 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: NYer

the Big Bang?

Nah.

Consider the mustard seed.


5 posted on 02/10/2013 11:44:34 AM PST by conserv8
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To: NYer
The congregation standing just before singing “Superstition” by Stevie Wonder.

I suspect this was the point in the "service" where religious beliefs are mocked. Hatred of those who have religious beliefs is a core element (if not the focus) of atheistic activity.

6 posted on 02/10/2013 11:51:47 AM PST by kidd
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To: NYer

I was raised Unitarian - more or less - so I’ve gone to atheistic churches. Mostly the sermon was about some humane or granola-ish or ecological subject - liberal touchstones.

One Christmas it was about Mithra and the return of the sun - in your face, Christians.

I suspect it’s gotten more hardline leftist political in recent years - my mother has gotten far more conservative and is often offended by the liberal presumptions she encounters there - but she still goes.

There’s a need for community and morality and awe even among atheists and one can understand them having church-life organizations, but it seems rather difficult to celebrate a negative - no God! no meaning except for our short-lived own devisings!


7 posted on 02/10/2013 11:57:03 AM PST by heartwood
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To: NYer

Lol!

My immediate reaction was “Atheistic Church” = oxymoron


8 posted on 02/10/2013 12:03:41 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: NYer
When I used to string for national Christian publications, I once attended a Universal-Unitarian church on a Sunday morning to make contact with a person I wanted to interview--she was the speaker.

I sensed the same emptiness of the people attending that Mr. Beshears conveys.

As I write this, I am sitting in an apartment with my wife in a city away from our hometown because my wife has just had a kidney transplant. We cannot mix with the public yet because of some dangers of contamination and so forth. There is a church less than half-a-mile away that we would love to attend, but we can't yet. Listening to Sunday morning preaching on television is okay, but as Erma Bombeck used to say, it ain't the same, McGee.
9 posted on 02/10/2013 12:03:54 PM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: NYer

‘After services, we invite everyone to join us for a prayer lunch at Joe’s Vegetarian Steakhouse.’


10 posted on 02/10/2013 12:26:56 PM PST by Ken H
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To: NYer
Well, the Lord works in mysterious ways. Perhaps this "church" will have regular attendees searching for the round peg to fill the void in their soul.

And, after a time of being a devoted attendee will realize they are still left wanting and wander into a "real" church to see what "they" [Christians] are doing different.

11 posted on 02/10/2013 12:27:57 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

May the Holy Spirit convict them to invite Christ into their hearts.


12 posted on 02/10/2013 12:30:19 PM PST by thecodont
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To: righttackle44

“As I write this, I am sitting in an apartment with my wife in a city away from our hometown because my wife has just had a kidney transplant. We cannot mix with the public yet because of some dangers of contamination and so forth.”

Prayers up for you both this Lord’s Day!


13 posted on 02/10/2013 12:33:10 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: heartwood

The local Unitarian pastorette put her sermons on her website. They were largely condemnations of Christianity. When that was pointed out, she took them down.


14 posted on 02/10/2013 12:34:29 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: NYer
...we are just a tiny leftover of what was there at the beginning of the universe.

Must be sad to think that you're no better than the leftover meatloaf in the fridge.

15 posted on 02/10/2013 1:10:53 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: NYer

They awaiteth their saviour to reveal himself.

16 posted on 02/10/2013 1:13:22 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: NYer


The Godless No. 7(640) May 1, 1938

The red banner top: Long live Frist of May -- the battle review of the revolutionary forces of the international proletariat!

Portraits of Lenin and Stalin

Article headlines: The Great Holiday of Labor; For Friendship and Fraternity of Peoples; Labor In the USSR Is Work of Honor; Church and Fascism.

Plain-evident Proof of the Rotation of the Earth (Foucault pendulum installed in St. Isaac Cathedral in "Leningrad").

From the article about the Pendulum:

In Leningrad near the Neva river, there stands former St. Isaac cathedral. Till mid-1928 "Isaky" was a fortress of obscurantism and a bulwark of counter-revolution. Since 1931 it was reincarnated as hearth of culture. Installed inside is the Foucault pendulum which with every swing marks the rotation of the Earth, thus proving the religious notions wrong.

17 posted on 02/10/2013 1:49:38 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
More...

(white text "The Godless. A story of godless times in Zaporozhye" is not a part of the poster)

Religion is a brake on the five-year plan!
Away with the religious holidays!
Everyone, join the Society of Militant Godless!
Religion is a means of enslaving the workers!
All religions equally hinder and damage the socialist development! Fire on conciliatory attitude toward religion, on kindheartedness and passivity in the struggle against the class enemy!

And here we have the Atheist Church itself:

The sign: Lower Volga Regional Council of the Union of Militant GODLESS

On the posters:

Godless hello to the glorious Red Army [several displayed]
Struggle against religion is struggle for socialism
To the angry battle [illegible] our response is closing the ranks.
The work of the godless is the work of Lenin

18 posted on 02/10/2013 2:19:38 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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19 posted on 02/10/2013 2:34:50 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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20 posted on 02/10/2013 2:35:40 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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21 posted on 02/10/2013 2:36:46 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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22 posted on 02/10/2013 2:39:02 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: cerberus
From an email:

A member of the church, who previously had been attending services regularly, stopped going. After a few weeks, the pastor decided to visit him.

It was a chilly evening. The pastor found the man at home alone, sitting before a blazing fire. Guessing the reason for his pastor's visit, the man welcomed him, led him to a comfortable chair near the fireplace and waited.

The pastor made himself at home but said nothing. In the grave silence, he contemplated the dance of the flames around the burning logs. After some minutes, the pastor took the fire tongs, carefully picked up a brightly burning ember and placed it to one side of the hearth all alone then he sat back in his chair, still silent.

The host watched all this in quiet contemplation. As the one, lone ember's flame flickered and diminished, there was a momentary glow and then its fire was no more. Soon, it was cold and dead.

Not a word had been spoken since the initial greeting.The pastor glanced at his watch and realized it was time to leave. He slowly stood up, picked up the cold, dead ember and placed it back in the middle of the fire. Immediately it began to glow, once more with the light and warmth of the burning coals around it.

As the pastor reached the door to leave, his host said with a tear running down his cheek, 'Thank you so much for your visit and especially for the fiery sermon. I will be back in church next Sunday.'


23 posted on 02/10/2013 2:44:27 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

“everyone missed the music and community of their childhood experiences in church and want to bring it back into their lives.”
Ah yes, they are all about what I want and what pleases me.


24 posted on 02/10/2013 2:50:14 PM PST by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: NYer

Deep down in every human being, we are compelled to worship, because it’s what we were created to do.

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That is why so many who reject Christianity flock to stupid stuff like pagan traditions. Satan just smiles....


25 posted on 02/10/2013 2:52:41 PM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I think God has created the need for fellowship in us. But was is the difference between fellowship and Christian fellowship.

Many churches are just clubhouses. Other than the sermon you will seldom hear much about God. I can learn about the weather, grain prices and politics there though.


26 posted on 02/10/2013 3:09:46 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Lord save me from some conservatives, they don't understand human nature any better than liberals.)
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To: NYer
My Sunday at an Atheistic Church

I wonder if he saw Obama there? Oh no, wait, he is a Muslim.

27 posted on 02/10/2013 3:18:28 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: johngrace
I wonder if at some point in the atheist service, they all rose to profess their creed...

"I don't believe..."

28 posted on 02/10/2013 4:18:42 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life" Deuteronomy 30:19)
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To: heartwood; OLD REGGIE
I was raised Unitarian - more or less - so I’ve gone to atheistic churches. Mostly the sermon was about some humane or granola-ish or ecological subject - liberal touchstones.

So, in your opinion, are unitarians now just another name for hard-leftists?

29 posted on 02/11/2013 4:01:42 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Bigg Red
Anthropologically, EVERY human being has an innate need to believe in something bigger than himself/herself. If we don't fill it with God or gods, we fill it with a sense of higher purpose or a force or nationalism or shopping/commercialism.

It is impossible to be a pure athiest and believe there is nothing above oneself. One may reject God, but will then worship Sunday cartoons :)

30 posted on 02/11/2013 4:10:00 AM PST by Cronos
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To: NYer; All
How many times have you seen or heard atheists denying that atheism is a religion? Especially on DU....

Next time, just point them to this...
31 posted on 02/11/2013 6:37:56 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: Cronos

Well, if you search for “conservative Unitarian” you will see that they exist but do not feel at home.

My mother’s church sponsors a Romanian Unitarian church - who are traditional Christians except for not believing in the Trinity (Jesus is Son of God and Redeemer but not God) - they are not liberal - they held out under Communism after all. They haven’t rubbed off on my mother’s church.


32 posted on 02/11/2013 4:33:42 PM PST by heartwood
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To: winkadink
Ah yes, they are all about what I want and what pleases me.

Exactly, and they don't want to hear that there is anything wrong with anything they want to do.

33 posted on 02/11/2013 8:59:35 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Heart-Rest

Funny!!!!!


34 posted on 02/11/2013 10:27:27 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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