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Sex Symbols Who Speak in Tongues?
Charisma News ^ | 2-4-13 | Michael Brown

Posted on 02/10/2013 4:45:41 PM PST by ReformationFan

I was at the grocery store the other day when I was unexpectedly confronted with an adult-oriented magazine located right next to the vitamin section. I immediately had to look away from the front cover, which featured a scantily clad, seductively posed, sex symbol. Yet it was only a few weeks ago that I read an article about how this same sex symbol loves to speak in tongues and has to restrain herself from outbursts in tongues while attending church services. What?

This is actually a perfect illustration of American charismatic Christianity, where you can say you love Jesus (like the rapper “The Game” claims to do) and still frequent strip clubs (as “The Game” still does), or where you can flow in the gifts of the Spirit and become a made-for-TV preaching sensation, only to announce that God told you that you married the wrong woman, leading to a quick divorce and remarriage.

Yes, this is the “gospel” of the 21st century, “Spirit-filled” church of America, where the cross is bypassed, denial of the flesh is scorned, purity is called legalism, and anything goes if it feels good.

It is the “gospel” of self, in which Jesus dies to make you into a bigger and better you, a “gospel” in which God is here to serve you and help you fulfill your dreams, and where the measure of all things is not how God feels about it but how you feel about it (or how it makes you feel).

(Excerpt) Read more at charismanews.com ...


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: americanchristianity; bornagain; brown; charismatics; christianity; discernment; meganfox; michaelbrown; pentecostal; sexsymbols; tongues
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I have some theological differences with Dr. Brown but I think he makes some good points here.
1 posted on 02/10/2013 4:45:47 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan; NYer; Morgana

I was flipping through channels and came across some Nun on HBO, so I rolled my eyes and went back to see what was up... she was an ex-actress.... she was talking about how orgasmic it is to worship God, she said it was like having sex with him.

jeesh


2 posted on 02/10/2013 4:48:04 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ReformationFan

I think that if he doesn’t like to look at chicks, he might be gay.


3 posted on 02/10/2013 4:48:22 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

I can’t wait to see where this thread goes.


4 posted on 02/10/2013 5:04:44 PM PST by EEGator
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To: ReformationFan
Tattoos are a dead giveaway that the person they are attached to is crazy.
5 posted on 02/10/2013 5:06:14 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: humblegunner
I think that if he doesn’t like to look at chicks, he might be gay.

I've been married to the same wonderful woman for 30 years. Very early on she noticed my eyes did stray to some of the beautiful women walking around in NYC, and was upset. I told her, "Honey, just beacuse I'm on a diet doesn't mean I can't look at the menu!" She chuckled, still doesn't like it but knows I am just admiring God's creations.

6 posted on 02/10/2013 5:07:17 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: ReformationFan

I don’t know why the author singles out the ‘spirit-filled’ churches. Of all the churches I’ve been to (from catholic to charismatic), I’d say that the seeker-friendly’s are more accepting of unchristian behavior, but that’s just my limited observation.


7 posted on 02/10/2013 5:09:47 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: randog

The mainstream churches fell a long time ago, Charasmitic Churches with Christian rock fell right after, and now the fundamentalist churches are falling with people drinking and going to bars and concerts all while claiming to Love Jesus


8 posted on 02/10/2013 5:22:26 PM PST by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Really? I have had tattoos since 1981 when I got my first one as a United States Navy sailor, have been married for 20+ years (completely monogamously), and have 3 sane kids raised and out in the world. Have had our own business for the last 6 years. I build the best damned 1911 you ever laid hands on, do gunstock work that would make you sick with envy. Neither my wife nor I have ever been arrested, committed or threatened with either. We earn our own way in the world, ask nothing from anyone and both have tattoos. Multiple tattoos.
My very sane Father (USN Ret., now deceased) had tatts. Oldest brother (USN Ret.) has tatts. I could go on, but won’t. Don’t need to. I am living proof that you are wrong.


9 posted on 02/10/2013 5:41:57 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: randog
I don’t know why the author singles out the ‘spirit-filled’ churches.

That's his audience. He's writing for Charisma News. I don't doubt examples of this could be found elsewhere.

10 posted on 02/10/2013 5:42:51 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: ReformationFan

I anticipate that FR rabid Catholics will be here any moment, talking about how pure their denomination is, and YOPIOS and all that.

Of course, they have their gay sexual predator priests and non-biblical doctrines.

Let’s just say here that the world is full of sinners, and we all need a Savior. We need to know Jesus, the real Jesus who lives and who is correctly presented in Scripture.


11 posted on 02/10/2013 5:47:47 PM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: FatherofFive
I've been married to the same wonderful woman for 30 years. Very early on she noticed my eyes did stray to some of the beautiful women walking around in NYC, and was upset. I told her, "Honey, just beacuse I'm on a diet doesn't mean I can't look at the menu!" She chuckled, still doesn't like it but knows I am just admiring God's creations.

Darling, you can touch her with any part of your body you are willing to loose...

12 posted on 02/10/2013 5:51:56 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: FatherofFive

Perhaps she can consider her blessings that it’s WOMEN which turn your head.

And that you’re being faithful to her.

There are people who are so attractive that people DO look at them. It doesn’t mean that it’s always lust.


13 posted on 02/10/2013 5:52:47 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’m sure to know all the crazy people that keep you safe from the rest of the planet’s human garbage will appreciate your thoughts.

Perhaps you could just spit on them while you’re at it. Like a good lib would. The fact that many freepers are also inked may also be lost on you so what does it say about you hanging out with all these crazies?


14 posted on 02/10/2013 5:54:42 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: ReformationFan; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Unfortunately, as Orr noted years ago, “Many have sadly forgotten that the only evidence of the new birth is the new life,” and the Scriptures make perfectly clear that if we profess to follow Jesus with our lips but do not follow Him with our lives, we do not belong to Him. (I’m not talking about momentary lapses in our walks with the Lord or about serious mistakes that we make, only to reject and renounce them. God’s mercy and forgiveness are great. I’m talking about the consistent, willful pattern of our lives. Are we following Jesus or not?)

It’s time to say goodbye to this watered-down, sin-excusing, so-called gospel that offers everything and calls for nothing. It’s time to get back to the cross and back to the truth. Otherwise, as America collapses in a heap of amoral ruin, the soft preachers of America will be largely to blame.

Excellent article.

One of the issues I have with the charismatic movement is that they are big on signs and there's little outward evidence of what they claim the signs mean, having an *encounter* with God.

For all the experience, tongues, slain in the Spirit stuff, there's not any more evidence of holy living than those who haven't experienced those things.

15 posted on 02/10/2013 6:00:50 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: ReformationFan

Thanks Dr. Brown.... the “church” is really losing it with the things they’ve taught over the recent decades.


16 posted on 02/10/2013 6:04:39 PM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: metmom
One of the issues I have with the charismatic movement is that they are big on signs and there's little outward evidence of what they claim the signs mean, having an *encounter* with God.

And no sign they understand the gravity of what they are claiming.

17 posted on 02/10/2013 6:22:10 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No, your aversion to tattoos is a dead give away that you do not know what you are talking about.


18 posted on 02/10/2013 6:38:02 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: RaceBannon

So are you saying that upbeat and lively music is not Christian?
So would you rather people stripped to loin clothes and dance in the streets?


19 posted on 02/10/2013 6:42:54 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: null and void
Darling, you can touch her with any part of your body you are willing to loose...

this is why I love the FR. So many smart and witty people. That is a line I will steal! Thanks

20 posted on 02/10/2013 6:53:18 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I guess you have never been in the military. I retired from the Marine Corps and tattoos have been part of the Corps since the late 1800s. We've had Commandants that had tattoos. The issue was where the tattoos were. For instance, officers were not allowed to have tattoos that showed if wearing a T-shirt.

I got my tattoo in 1983. It is the standard WWII "USMC" tattoo on my left shoulder. I thought about getting one for seven years before I got it and I still like it. When my commanding officer saw it, he gave me a "ration of shit" and then showed me his bull dog (also on his left shoulder).

My personal belief is that the tattoo should have meaning. And before you get a tattoo, you should think about it for a year. If the design and location hasn't changed in that year, then you are probably going to like it.

21 posted on 02/10/2013 6:58:17 PM PST by fini
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To: metmom
There are people who are so attractive that people DO look at them. It doesn’t mean that it’s always lust.

And lead us not into temptation

22 posted on 02/10/2013 6:58:19 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: ReformationFan
This behavior goes on in ALL denominations. That's why we are admonished to look at their fruit and not what they claim. Most so called mainline denominations are the most liberal when it comes to abortion, fornication, homosexuality, ect. I would say the Evangelicals are the most conservative. You can, however read about the preacher running away with the piano player in almost any berg in the US. The priests sodomizing alter boys and Methodists marrying gays, is all in the mix today. I know many of the so called "rock player" churches that have some of the most wonderful Christians I've ever met. There is wheat and tares, goats and sheep in almost every church I've ever seen. A person that claims Christ and continues as a "sex symbol" is just lying. She hasn't met Jesus and He doesn't know her. Anyone can claim anything.

Oh, and PS.

The verse that says we are not to judge means we are not to judge someones SALVATION. We are commanded, however, to judge SIN. I can't know if you will repent and turn from your wicked ways until you die, however, I can tell anyone that fornicators and lairs, thieves, murderer's, ect, will not see the Kingdom of God. If you repent before you die, you are washed as clean as Jesus and your sins are no longer yours. If I said you are going to Hell, I would have judged you wrongly. Sin is still sin however.

23 posted on 02/10/2013 7:03:56 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Theo
Couldn't resist a gratituous slap at Catholics, could you?

Go pound sand.

24 posted on 02/10/2013 7:17:27 PM PST by GenXFreedomFighter (They're comin' for your guns, guys. Katie, bar the door!)
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To: GeronL

Much in contrast to old time holiness Pentecostalism, in which long modest skirts and hair are what is seen, in glorifying God.


25 posted on 02/10/2013 7:17:57 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: GenXFreedomFighter

Thank you for your comment!


26 posted on 02/10/2013 7:38:47 PM PST by simonjo
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Another crazy person with ink.....why I'm so crazy I have the fallen warrior (kneeling Marine, planted barrel, boots, and dog tags) tattooed on my arm. What nut ball would want to prove they are crazy by displaying such remembrance of the better than 40 fallen warriors?

Absolutely certifiable that I have a portion of the prayer I say every time leaving the wire tattooed as well. Completely insane I'd want those words inscribed on my flesh as a constant reminder of God's protection and forgiveness.

27 posted on 02/10/2013 7:53:24 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: GenXFreedomFighter

Secret Vatican Albino Assassin Monks brainwashed the ‘sex symbol’ into both speaking in tongues and being a ‘sex symbol’ at the same time. They got her name from the Vatican supercomputer that has all the Protestant names and locations. If you play her fake glossolalia backwards you hear backwards latin worshipping the devil. Yes, it’s a DOUBLE backwards satanic message. Who else but Rome has the resources to pull of such diabolical schemes?!

Freegards


28 posted on 02/10/2013 8:03:29 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Repeat Offender
I'd want those words inscribed on my flesh as a constant reminder of God's protection and forgiveness. BINGO!!
29 posted on 02/10/2013 8:06:15 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Theo

Sinners abound everywhere. The true Church teaches true doctrine. So many churches’ congregants say, “I believe in Jesus.” But what do they believe about him? Do they listen to his words?

It’s so funny to hear people say the Catholic Church has non-biblical teachings because they disagree with the Catholic Church’s interpretation of scripture, while the Protestant churches cannot agree on the most basic moral doctrines. Of course, Protestants and Catholics alike will believe the bible teaches them whatever it is they wish to cling to; the advantage offered by Catholicism is that Catholics know that they dissent from their church when they support abortion, divorce, masturbation, pornography, or premarital sex.

“If you believe in me, you will keep my commandments.”


30 posted on 02/10/2013 8:10:29 PM PST by dangus
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To: Theo

Sinners abound everywhere. The true Church teaches true doctrine. So many churches’ congregants say, “I believe in Jesus.” But what do they believe about him? Do they listen to his words?

It’s so funny to hear people say the Catholic Church has non-biblical teachings because they disagree with the Catholic Church’s interpretation of scripture, while the Protestant churches cannot agree on the most basic moral doctrines. Of course, Protestants and Catholics alike will believe the bible teaches them whatever it is they wish to cling to; the advantage offered by Catholicism is that Catholics know that they dissent from their church when they support abortion, divorce, masturbation, pornography, or premarital sex.

“If you believe in me, you will keep my commandments.”


31 posted on 02/10/2013 8:10:37 PM PST by dangus
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To: ReformationFan

“And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf. Then they said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!’ So when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it. And Aaron made a proclamation and said, ‘Tomorrow is a feast to the LORD. Then they rose early on the next day, offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” (Exodus 32:4-6)

There is nothing new under the sun, even - or especially! - in the realm of religion. On this note, let’s all be sure everyone points the finger at something other than his own denomination and its own failings. Let’s also make sure that we dismiss whatever God in His word clearly says about what we are to believe and do as worship in His presence and then adamantly defend the customs and preferences of our own denomination as if we couldn’t possibly be in any need of introspection and repentance in the light of God’s word. This excerpt from the Scriptures couldn’t possibly be intended for our admonition on whom the ends of the ages have come. Nope. Nothing to see here. Move on. Move on.


32 posted on 02/10/2013 8:17:49 PM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Lee N. Field

So true....


33 posted on 02/10/2013 8:23:49 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: chuckles

Best post in this thread.


34 posted on 02/10/2013 8:57:51 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: FatherofFive

It would be funnier if I were still capable of reproduction...


35 posted on 02/10/2013 8:59:59 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I don’t know if they’re crazy but they certainly can’t take a joke. And where did the tattoo comment come from anyway?


36 posted on 02/10/2013 9:31:35 PM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: ReformationFan
Pound for pound more ignorance on this thread than any I've seen lately. If you think I'm talking to you then I probably am.
37 posted on 02/10/2013 9:36:09 PM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: Repeat Offender

Well see, the tattoo made you crazy. So obviously you wouldn’t know you’rr crazy. If you knew you were crazy, then you wouldn’t be crazy and so your tattoo would not be there cuZ that’d be crazy.

Simple logic! ;)


38 posted on 02/10/2013 10:52:22 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: metmom

A problem with CM can be really bad doctrines about such things as each person becoming their own Christ. At the heart of the movement and their leaders, if you delve into it, you will often find really, really bad doctrine.


39 posted on 02/11/2013 1:20:53 AM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: dangus
Catholics alike will believe the bible teaches them whatever it is they wish to cling to; the advantage offered by Catholicism is that Catholics know that they dissent from their church when they support abortion, divorce, masturbation, pornography, or premarital sex.

Don't you think that rules that are not enforced are a mockery? I see the Catholic Church having some good rules, but I don't see any consequences for breaking them. On another thread a mother who died during a late term abortion is buried with a Catholic ceremony with her child that she murdered. If she had repented then that information should be made public so as to let the world know that she wasn't given a Catholic burial with her murdered baby without repentance. The Catholic Church lets sins abound in their Congress people without any kind of chastisement. These people who support abortion, sodomy and many other sins with their votes and support tell the whole world that it is OK to do the things they do because they still get communion and are not excommunicated. The list of people who do public sins without any kind of reprimands from the CC goes on and on and on. Catholic Priests who committed sodomy on children were protected and even passed onto other unsuspecting Churches by the authorities. Catholic Universities teach and put up with all kinds of terrible things. Catholic University Notre Dame invites obama to speak. Georgetown University invites obama, who is abominable as far as morality is concerned, to speak to their young and impressionable students, and cover up Christ's Name just because he requests for them to do so. This is unfathomable to me.

It is easy to talk the talk, but I see a whole lot of not walking the walk. The Catholic Church can have it both ways. They have a double message. For those who are moral they talk about morality, but for those who are vastly immoral they are included nicely also. You feel good about your Church because you are a moral person and like to hear the good talk. Well people like Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry and many, many other sinful people feel fine and good about being Catholics too. Without discipline they also feel like everything with thier spirituality is OK. Have you ever really looked at that? They will without repentance go to hell forever, and they have never been made to see that what they are doing is terribly wrong.

The Pope, according to CC doctrine, has the sole responsibility over discipline in the CC. The buck is suppose to stop with him. To give speeches all about what morality is suppose to be is easy, the hard part is backing it up with actions. I see speeches from some CC leaders, but not that much action as far as discipline. This causes the world to not understand how terribly wrong sin is. It is a grievous failure on the part of the CC.

I am not saying that many other Churches are doing better, but it is not a reason to think that the CC excels. I am not out to bash the CC, but sincerely wish and long for it to follow the morality that it often can speak about with glowing words. I honestly grieve because the CC lets so much sin go on and doesn't deal with it. It is very harmful for the whole world. If the CC would start actually disciplining it's grievous sinners then many people in the world could have a chance at believing that morality is important, and just might have a better understanding of their own need of repentance.

Their are Catholic Priests and also a good amount of lay people that really care about morality. You will see them at abortion clinics reaching out to mothers, trying to help them stop from murdering their babies. I just wish that the leadership was half a diligent as many lay Catholics are in their fight against evil.

40 posted on 02/11/2013 2:19:07 AM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: ReformationFan; xzins; P-Marlowe; NYer
I've just been reading about the Eastern Churches -- the WAYYY eastern. In particular the Ethiopian Orthodox

Now I know some of you guys don't do Lent, and even the Lent that we Catholics follow is hardly serious enough compared to what the Ethiopians do

I believe we should (and I'm going to attempt for this Lent) to really step away from the luxuries of the modern world.

Hear me out -- food for us is so easy to get, we don't appreciate it enough and appreciate God's grace in giving it to us. the Ethiopian orthodox fast from dawn to dusk and even when they eat they only eat vegetables and bread, no eggs or fish, forget about meat.

Even if someone does it for a week, outside the Lenten period, i believe it will give us pause for prayer and thought.

41 posted on 02/11/2013 3:01:22 AM PST by Cronos
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To: GeronL

who? Dolores Hart? Really? Crazy of her to say that — what were her exact words?


42 posted on 02/11/2013 3:09:17 AM PST by Cronos
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To: RaceBannon

this means a return to orthodoxy. No more leniencies. When we give up something we must sincerely give up.


43 posted on 02/11/2013 3:10:24 AM PST by Cronos
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I don’t have tats, but your statement is too generic to be correct I’m sorry


44 posted on 02/11/2013 3:44:21 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Theo; GenXFreedomFighter; dangus

Actually it looks like you, Theo, were the first to change the topic. Why?


45 posted on 02/11/2013 3:46:35 AM PST by Cronos
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To: svcw

non sequiter
but the same musical beat you sinned to cannot be made Holy

the same musical beat and tone and appearance that you would otherwise make devil horns to is not nor can be Holy

Trying to make something Holy and spiritual that does nothing but appeal to your flesh is not acting in a Biblical manner

and you can take the spiritual pulse of a congregation and predict their personal behaviors just by finding out what music they listen to


46 posted on 02/11/2013 3:49:18 AM PST by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: chuckles; ReformationFan
The main problem is that we have not, as RF said, learnt to forego the temptations of the flesh. We don't learn the spiritual fortitude that comes from some denial

And it's not only the religious -- this is shown in careers where kids who can't fathom the concept of "resist for now so that you can get more tomorrow" don't succeed

47 posted on 02/11/2013 3:51:03 AM PST by Cronos
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To: fini

I have one on each forearm

it isn’t the tattoo that makes a believer a sinner if that believer had it when he converted

but Leviticus forbids tattoos

If someone came to you, as an experienced Christian, and had crosses, Bible verses all over his arms, back, neck, whatever is the fad today, would you honestly think he was following the Bible knowing it is forbidden to do such things?

Our outward appearance should not be offensive or seductive to others, but humble and polite

As a Marine, I also think that a shirt that says I am a travel agent to Allah would be wrong as a Christian...even though I agree with the sentiment


48 posted on 02/11/2013 3:54:23 AM PST by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: ReformationFan

As Calvin said, “The human heart is an idol factory”. Idolotry abounds today. However, we no long worship statues made of metal or wood. Today’s idolators conjure up a God in their imagination that believes and acts just like they do. They then bow down to this God they have created in their own image. Their mind can rationalize anything their flesh desires.


49 posted on 02/11/2013 4:06:35 AM PST by circlecity
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To: metmom

One only needs to observe Benny Hinn to understand the dangers of the charismatic.


50 posted on 02/11/2013 5:09:25 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2)
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