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Do the prophecies of St. Malachy suggest we are living in the end times?
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Posted on 02/11/2013 9:47:24 AM PST by Alex Murphy

Full Question

Someone in my parish told me about the prophesies of St. Malachy, which he claims, prove that we are nearing the end of times. What are these prophesies?

Answer

St. Malachy was an Irish bishop who lived in the 12th century. By far the more famous of his prophecies concerns the sequence of popes.

The prophecy consist of 112 short Latin descriptions of future popes; the prophecies were discovered in 1590 and attributed to Malachy. Each description indicates one identifying trait for each future pope, beginning with Celestine II, who was elected in 1130. In some instances, the descriptions hit home in an uncanny way; they have led to centuries of speculation that the prophecy might be a real one.

For instance, the description of the future John XXII (1316-1334) is "de sutore osseo"--"from the bony shoemaker." This pope was the son of a shoemaker, and his family name was "Ossa," which means bone. In another example, "lilium et rosa" was the phrase used to describe the pope who would be Urban VIII (1623-1644), whose family coat-of-arms was covered with "lilies and roses."

Malachy's prophecy has been cast into doubt by the fact that the descriptions become vague from the 16th century on--about the time the prophecy was "discovered" in the Roman Archives. But there have been a few good matches in modern times. The phrase "pastor et nauta," meaning "shepherd and sailor," was attributed to John XXIII. This pope hailed from Venice, historically a city of sailors, and on the day he took office he indicated the goal of his pontificate was to be "a good shepherd."

There have been many more misses, though. Describing the popes to follow John XXIII are the phrases "flower of flowers" (Paul VI), "from a half-moon" (John Paul I), and "from the toil of the sun" (John Paul II), none of which is an obvious connection. After our current pope there are only two left in Malachy's prophecy, "the glory of the olive" and "Peter the Roman." The latter will supposedly lead the Church through many tribulations, concluding with the last judgment.

Is "Malachy's" prophecy legitimate? Probably not. The consensus among modern scholars is that it is a 16th-century forgery created for partisan political reasons.


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The prophecy consist of 112 short Latin descriptions of future popes; the prophecies were discovered in 1590 and attributed to Malachy. Each description indicates one identifying trait for each future pope, beginning with Celestine II, who was elected in 1130....Malachy's prophecy has been cast into doubt by the fact that the descriptions become vague from the 16th century on--about the time the prophecy was "discovered" in the Roman Archives....Is "Malachy's" prophecy legitimate? Probably not. The consensus among modern scholars is that it is a 16th-century forgery created for partisan political reasons.
1 posted on 02/11/2013 9:47:32 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: xsmommy; SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 02/11/2013 9:49:57 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Alex Murphy

We Catholics really don’t pay that much attention to this.
It’s pretty much been debunked.

Why are you?

Is this like a Protestant thing?


3 posted on 02/11/2013 9:57:01 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Alex Murphy

We Catholics really don’t pay that much attention to this.
It’s pretty much been debunked.

Why are you?

Is this like a Protestant thing? You’ve posted this twice in a similar vein.


4 posted on 02/11/2013 9:57:37 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Perdogg

There have been many more misses, though.


i.e. False prophet.


5 posted on 02/11/2013 9:59:06 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Here’s my prediction:

Whatever name the next Pope picks someone will be able to find a connection to the name Peter.


6 posted on 02/11/2013 10:04:49 AM PST by DManA
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To: Alex Murphy

Here’s my prediction:

Whatever name the next Pope picks someone will be able to find a connection to the name Peter.


7 posted on 02/11/2013 10:06:30 AM PST by DManA
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To: Alex Murphy

Can’t be any worse than the Mayan’s calendar........


8 posted on 02/11/2013 10:07:36 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’d rather read Daniel and Revelation as to when Yashua may return. It’s not when He returns it’s THAT He returns that’s important.


9 posted on 02/11/2013 10:09:55 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Mathew 24:36

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


10 posted on 02/11/2013 10:11:26 AM PST by BradtotheBone (Moderate Democrat - A politician whose voting record leans left and whose vote can be bought.)
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To: SkyDancer

“I’d rather read Daniel and Revelation”

yep


11 posted on 02/11/2013 10:11:46 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Perdogg

I don’t know a single practicing Catholic who takes this nonsense seriously. I certainly do not.


13 posted on 02/11/2013 10:13:52 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Alex Murphy
Old news.

St. Malachy's prophecy, misread?
Saint Malachy, Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world, the last five Popes
A POPE DESCRIBED AS 'FROM THE SUN' WAS BORN DURING ECLIPSE AND LEAVES WITH ONE
RATZINGER APPEARS TO FULFILL MALACHY PROPHECY [De Gloria Olivae]
Malachy's Prophecies - The Last 10 Popes
Prophecy of St Malachy (with list of Popes)

14 posted on 02/11/2013 10:14:13 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy

http://popes-and-papacy.com/wordpress/?p=5921

“How do you solve a problem like Tarcisio? Some have even gone so far as to call him the fulfillment of St. Malachy’s prophet of the end times by pointing to him as ‘Peter the Roman.’

In recent months leading up to Vaticangate, Bertone has been seen as trying to consolidate power in the Vatican in making all dicasteries and offices to report directly to him, and no one going to the pope before coming to him. Bertone has become custom to making decisions for the pope and much of his antics are not lost on one of the Vatican’s most knowledgeable and reputable reporters/bloggers, Sandro Magister.”


15 posted on 02/11/2013 10:14:35 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Alex Murphy
Hey, Alex! Nobody gives a rip about this long-since debunked "Malachy" character ...

Now ... if you're really interested, you might look up what (if anything) the Mothman has to say about it.

16 posted on 02/11/2013 10:17:35 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: cuban leaf

Perhaps. The ones the excerpt says has no obvious connections have connections.

Flower of Flowers. PAUL VI. 1963-1978. Paul’s coat-of-arms depicts three fleurs-de-lis, corresponding to Malachay’s prophecy. His coat of arms included three fleurs-de-lis (iris blossoms).

Of the Half Moon. JOHN PAUL I. 1978-1978. John Paul I was elected Pope on August 26, 1978, when there was a half moon. He reigned 33 days, that is, about one month, when he died, although many think he was murdered. He was the 109th Pope - is “De Medietate Lunae” (Of the Half Moon). The corresponding pope was John Paul I (1978-78), who was born in the diocese of Belluno (beautiful moon) and was baptized Albino Luciani (white light). He became pope on August 26, 1978, when the moon appeared exactly half full. It was in its waning phase. He died the following month, soon after an eclipse of the moon.

The Labor of the Son. JOHN PAUL II. 1978-2005. Pope John Paul II was the most traveled Pope in history. He circled the globe numerous times, preaching to huge audiences everywhere he went. He survived an assassination attempt. He has written a book which has enjoyed a large circulation. Like the sun which never ceases to labor and provides light daily, this Pope has been incessant. He was born on May 18, 1920. On that date in the morning there was a near total eclipse of the sun over Europe. Prophecy - The 110th Pope is “De Labore Solis” (Of the Solar Eclipse, or, From the Toil of the Sun). Like the sun he came out of the East (Poland).


17 posted on 02/11/2013 10:21:53 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: RummyChick
How do you solve a problem like Tarcisio? Some have even gone so far as to call him the fulfillment of St. Malachy’s prophet of the end times by pointing to him as ‘Peter the Roman.’

In recent months leading up to Vaticangate, Bertone has been seen as trying to consolidate power in the Vatican in making all dicasteries and offices to report directly to him, and no one going to the pope before coming to him. Bertone has become custom to making decisions for the pope and much of his antics are not lost on one of the Vatican’s most knowledgeable and reputable reporters/bloggers, Sandro Magister.”

Oooh, that's an inspiration right there. I may have to try my hand at waxing lyrical once again!

18 posted on 02/11/2013 10:25:13 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Alex Murphy

I was reading last night in the non scriptural book of BARNABAS. In it he mentions how the first week of creation mimics the end times.

According to him, the world will last 6000 years, then enter 1000 years of rest. One thousand years for each day of creation. This would coincide with the time Satan is locked in the bottomless pit for 1000 years in the book of Revelation.

As this is the Hebrew year 5774. That would mean we have 226 years before the 1000 years of rest.

SO LETS PARTY LIKE IT IS 5999! (Ok, there was no call for that.)

But it does make one wonder what Christ said.

Luk 18:8....... Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?


19 posted on 02/11/2013 10:33:15 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: BradtotheBone

None will no the day and hour. But could someone know the week or month or year or decade or century?


20 posted on 02/11/2013 10:50:10 AM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is no more?)
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To: DManA
“During this century one pope will suffer bodily harm.
***Whatever name the next Pope picks someone will be able to find a connection to the name Peter.****

Now here is what a REAL PROPHET had to say!

JEAN DIXON! (snicker, giggle) 1904-1991

http://www.historiesmysteriesandstrangeness.com/2009/08/jeane-dixon-and-final-pope.html

“During this century (1900s) one pope will suffer bodily harm. Another will be assassinated. The assassination will be the final blow to the office of the Holy See.

This pope will be the same one who will be chosen in the not too distant future but whose election will not be approved by the Roman clergy. His influence, however, will be such that he will win out over the objections of his opponents.

While this pope will be the last one ever to reign as singular head of the Church, the beginnings of this change will occur with one of his predecessors who will give far-reaching powers to his cardinals. These same cardinals will use their powers to replace him with one more to their liking.”-Jean Dixon

I walked into the Farmer's Market in Bloomfield NM back on August 9, 1974, and there on the front page of STAR TABLOID was the words in huge black letters...

JEAN DIXON SAYS NIXON WILL NOT RESIGN!

That was the day Nixon resigned.

Then in 1986, a local newspaper began a horoscope section by Jean Dixon in the newspaper.

The press release stated how she had prophesied the death of JFK and THE RESIGNATION OF RICHARD NIXON.

I immediately sent a letter to the editor which was published showing she had NOT predicted the resignation.

21 posted on 02/11/2013 10:51:31 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Too old to cut the mustard any more.)
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To: Terry Mross

We can know the season...


22 posted on 02/11/2013 10:51:55 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Salvation

End times stuff is, for a lot of us, in our bones. The church I grew up in didn’t emphasize Revelation, but I can remember many many late nights in the car as a kid with the Armstrongs on the radio - “The World Tomorrow”... If you are of a certain age you probably do too.

Being taught to hide under the desk at school (they told us our town would be at the top of the list for a nuclear strike and our school desks evidently had super-atomic-bomb-deflecting properties)...

I think a lot of people believed that the end of the millennium would be the end of the age and assumed that nuclear war with the Soviets would be the catalyst. When the Soviet Union fell it left a lot of people of a certain age wondering, I have to say. Whether you consciously believed in “end times” or not, it was well embedded in most peoples’ psyches that a catastrophic war with the Soviets was destined to happen.

Hal Lindsey’s books in the 70s captured a lot of this. I never read them, but I could have written them myself, this is the stuff that was in the air my whole life.

I think this unspoken sense of doom is what led to the over-hyped panic about the supposed year 2000 software bugs that were supposed to destroy the world. And the manufactured panic about the mayan calendar; people who don’t believe in the bible worrying about what the mayans said or didn’t say. I’m happy to say I never missed a moment of sleep over either of these.

Still, it is in my make-up to watch as history takes its shape. I have my own ideas about how Revelation unfolds in real time but I’ll only talk about it over late night coffee, so it would cost you. Mostly I’m happy to watch and listen and let the events play out, and just be ready. Is the next pope the last one? For a kid who grew up listening to late night radio driving down Oklahoma highways, it would not surprise me a bit. I’ve been expecting Christ’s return a long time. I just don’t know if I’ll be alive in my body to see it, or alive in my spirit.


23 posted on 02/11/2013 10:53:15 AM PST by marron
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To: Salvation
All non-Catholics preached that contraception was a sin for four hundred years but when it was convenient to preach something else, they reversed themselves and now preach that it's no big deal.

"Surrender & Evacuation" book sales and speakers fees are way, way, down since the Camping fiasco. Selectively reversing their claim that no Catholic has ever been right about anything to embrace Saint Malachy is nothing for them if it revives sagging sales and fees. People who can overlook the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD in order to embrace the interpretation of an author or speaker won't have any problem overlooking a a Catholic Saint being thrown into the mix.

The really funny posts will be the ones explaining Saint Malachy was right because he wasn't really Catholic.

24 posted on 02/11/2013 11:00:45 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: OpusatFR

Do Catholics read and study the Bible? I can’t say what this man’s prophecy is all about- but according the Bible, we are pretty clearly in the end times.


25 posted on 02/11/2013 11:01:11 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012

We have been in the endtimes since Christ’s Ascension.

Catholics compiled the Bible. Of course we study it.

We do not follow Protestant flavor du jour as far as the pre and post mil arguments.

That is strictly your preoccupation.


26 posted on 02/11/2013 11:09:03 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: null and void
Paul’s coat-of-arms depicts three fleurs-de-lis, corresponding to Malachay’s prophecy.

Stuff like that proves only that Paul VI knew about the Malachi "prophecies" as well.

27 posted on 02/11/2013 11:11:48 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: DManA

Pope Kevin Bacon?


28 posted on 02/11/2013 11:14:49 AM PST by WCH
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To: WCH
I eat Bacon for breakfast.
At breakfast I eat toast.
On my toast I like peanut butter.
My favorite peanut butter is PETER pan peanut butter.

Six degrees of Pope Peter.

29 posted on 02/11/2013 11:22:02 AM PST by DManA
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To: Alex Murphy

I remember “The Land of Hatchy Malachy”


30 posted on 02/11/2013 11:23:23 AM PST by Renegade
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To: marron
they told us our town would be at the top of the list for a nuclear strike

Yeah, my school was on a Marine Corps Air Station, the closest one to Cuba.

I'm pretty sure we really were, if not at the top, pretty darned close!

31 posted on 02/11/2013 11:31:32 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void
I'm pretty sure we really were, if not at the top, pretty darned close!

You probably really were. Ours was no doubt just conceit. There was no military base close by, we were just convinced that a town as cool as ours had to be on the list. :)

32 posted on 02/11/2013 11:36:28 AM PST by marron
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To: Campion
Stuff like that proves only that Paul VI knew about the Malachi "prophecies" as well.

Or not. If he did, did the the prophecy cause him to? Would he have anyway?

Why would the Pope "fix the race" if he did know?

33 posted on 02/11/2013 11:38:55 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: marron

I understand. We were just convinced that our desks really would protect us!


34 posted on 02/11/2013 11:40:52 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: OpusatFR

:) If I were you, I would go to your Bible and just start reading. Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Revelation.

The son of man complied the Bible into human letters, which is the word of God- and the Holy Spirit is the way we interpret the Bible.

There is no Catholic- in the Bible. Catholic is a religion- much the same as Muslim or Hindu or Shinto.

If you are a believer and lover of Jesus- then go and read and see.


35 posted on 02/11/2013 11:57:39 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Terry Mross
None will no the day and hour. But could someone know the week or month or year or decade or century?

LOL. I don't know if you were serious in your inquiry or not, but this is the precise, twisted "logic" some use to justify their near obsession with "end times events". They tell us, "True, we can't know the day or the hour, but we can know the time period" (or "age" or "season" some say). Much in the same way you ask, "can we know the year, or decade, or century?"

Intentionally or no, you have exposed the absolute folly of trying to determine if we live in the "end times" by following and piecing together current events. First, to do so, justifying such endeavors with the "logic" above, obviously twists or perverts the Scripture in question. But this isn't very surprising for anyone who comes from a "dispensational" eschatology, after all, to such people, Scripture is something to be parsed ala "Clinton", that is, it's to be "rightly divided". Funny how they are the ones who know how to rightly "divide" Scripture, like they are the real Pope or something. (Who knows how other non Catholic Christians justify their obsession, if they have one)

Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, as was correctly pointed out upthread, since the Ascension of our Lord, we have been living in the "end times", and indeed, many of the so called "signs" that are given so that we "may know" this have not only come to pass, but repeatedly so throughout history since His Ascension, such as "the sun turning black as sack cloth" (eclipses) and the "moon turning red as blood" ( lunar eclipses) and " wars and rumors of wars" and "famine".

These all, when taken together, can and DO let us know we are in the "end times", but when He returns it is not our place to know, AT ALL, or else the passage above truly has no meaning, unless (again) one is some kind of dispy-ite who has no problem parsing and carving up Scripture like some kind of pig roast, in order to sell books, ala Jack van Impe or Hal Lindsey.

36 posted on 02/11/2013 12:07:08 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Do not forget the claim that the Jewish leaders removed 243+/- years from their calendar because Jesus showed up when predicted by the Jewish prophets.


37 posted on 02/11/2013 12:09:36 PM PST by jps098
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To: cuban leaf

I say this not as a bashing but for clarifications .I have to wait to talk to our neighbors son who is a priest but thought it imprudent as his last visit was to perform his mothers funeral mass (and I did attend)...
but these are the ones I see right now and as I prepare that chat, I wanted to get some thoughtful backup...
Can a Catholic explain to me the Rosary and the our lady of Fatima?
And how about the catholic ten commandments excludes the thou shalt not make any graven images nor bow down to them or worship...
Saw that with my own eyes when I visited boys town... the jewish and protestant ten commandments have that in there ...
somethings missing... or amiss...
Jesus taught us how to pray.. and it didn’t start-; queen of the holy rosary... and yet that prayer is in the booklet I received from a nice catholic servant while I was walking with my dad in the local mall( he is working for catholic charities assisting the mentally disabled and we see him in the mall as I am my dads full time caregiver who is battling Alzheimers-try to keep him walking even a little...)
Obviously we have mutual respect for each other and the jobs we have chosen (where God has placed us) but reading through I do fear that idols are too prevalent in the catholic customs and traditions and gets away from a simple gospel message..
catholic bashing not allowed.. honest thoughtful discussion... satan and his need to distract Christ’s believers to falseyour doctrines makes me extremely worried for my catholic believers....

I did have a dream months ago about a Fatima and had no idea about the story..... I felt it was actually about a girl named fatima( and I know none ) but only God knows and if you all this know one, direct her to mathew 6:8-15.. and more specifically, 14 and 15...
Thanks to anyone and all...


38 posted on 02/11/2013 12:25:28 PM PST by delchiante
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To: DManA

I predict that the next pope will be from South America, Maybe having something to do with Olives. We have never had a south American as Pope.


39 posted on 02/11/2013 12:38:26 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: jps098

Always gotta be someone throwing a monkey wrench in the calculations!


40 posted on 02/11/2013 12:47:27 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Too old to cut the mustard any more.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
This is apparently a recycled article from years ago. The current Pope is "the glory of the olive".

The true believers think he's "the glory of the olive" because he chose the regnal name Benedict after St Benedict of Nursia, founder of the Benedictine Order. The order's crest contains an olive branch.

41 posted on 02/11/2013 12:51:40 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: jps098
Do not forget the claim that the Jewish leaders removed 243+/- years from their calendar because Jesus showed up when predicted by the Jewish prophets.

Wow!

Source, please?

42 posted on 02/11/2013 12:55:15 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: delchiante
And how about the catholic ten commandments excludes the thou shalt not make any graven images nor bow down to them or worship...

I don't claim to be an expert in Catholic doctrine, but as I understand it, the statues and pictures in a Catholic church represent people who lived (or their human incarnation), and it's believed that it's little different than someone talking to a picture of a deceased relative and believing that maybe, somehow, they can hear you. You don't think they physically occupy the picture, and you're not really talking to the paper and chemicals.

Also, note that there are no images of the God who gave the commandments to Moses, only the human body one part of His aspect occupied for a time.

43 posted on 02/11/2013 12:58:14 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: FourtySeven

No, I wasn’t being serious. If we knew the week and nothing has happened after 6 days and 23 hours, we’d DEFINITELY know it would be in the next hour.


44 posted on 02/11/2013 1:11:50 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is no more?)
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To: Terry Mross

Excellent point.

It seems a similar logic can be applied when speaking of a “month, year decade, etc”.


45 posted on 02/11/2013 1:28:29 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: OpusatFR
We Catholics really don’t pay that much attention to this. It’s pretty much been debunked.

Why are you?

Is this like a Protestant thing?

I've actually seen a lot of attention paid to it in fringe dispensationalist circles. The sort of folks that blend flying saucers with eschatological speculation with fascination with ancient pseudepigraphical books and conspiracy theories.

No, most of us don't give a hoot about St. Malachy.

46 posted on 02/11/2013 4:00:48 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Now ... if you're really interested, you might look up what (if anything) the Mothman has to say about it.

Somehow that got the theme music from the 60's Batman show going through my head.

"Do do do do do do do do Mothman!"

47 posted on 02/11/2013 4:05:13 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: Alex Murphy
Oooh, that's an inspiration right there. I may have to try my hand at waxing lyrical once again!

hmmm

In The Forum To the tune of "In The Ghetto" by Elvis Presley

In the Forum,
to the tune of "In the Jungle" by the Tokens (and a bunch of people going back to Solomon Linda).

In the Forum
the mighty forum
The lyin' starts tonight
....

48 posted on 02/11/2013 4:16:00 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: Lee N. Field
In the Forum
the mighty forum
The lyin' starts tonight


"Ah weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...."

49 posted on 02/11/2013 4:20:01 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Rashputin
"Surrender & Evacuation" book sales and speakers fees are way, way, down since the Camping fiasco. Selectively reversing their claim that no Catholic has ever been right about anything to embrace Saint Malachy is nothing for them if it revives sagging sales and fees.

Between Christmas and New Years I went to Barns & Noble to spend a gift card one son gave me. There, in the religion section, I saw an excitable little book explaining the significance in the prophetic calendar of the Mayan 2012 end-of-epoch event. I thought to myself, "There's a book with a really short "use by" date..."

I went looking at amazon for it. Couldn't find it, but I did find this little gem:

End of the World 2012 Book: The Latest Up-to-Date Information on the Mayan Calendar, the Alignment with the Galactic Center, and the December 21 2012 Mayan Prophecies?Will the World End in 2012?.

Best part: "Want it Wednesday, Feb. 13? Order within 18 hrs 42 mins, and choose One-Day Shipping at checkout.".

Ooops

People who can overlook the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD in order to embrace the interpretation of an author or speaker won't have any problem overlooking a a Catholic Saint being thrown into the mix.

The only person I have ever encountered who did anything with the place of the AD 70 destruction of the Jerusalem temple in the "prophetic calendar" is the late Presbyterian scholar Meredith Kline, in his Covenant of the Seventieth Week.

Daniel had prayed for the restoration of the Jerusalem temple, the paramount sacramental symbol of Israel’s covenant relation to Yahweh. The prophecy of the seventy weeks assured him that his prayer would begin to be answered at once and that the restoration of the covenant community would be completed in what is portrayed as a jubilee period. Then the prophecy went on to disclose the ultimate unfolding of the covenant and the paradoxical prospects that lay in store for the temple at that later time. After being restored, the Jerusalem temple would again be made a den of abomination, evoking another and final desolation. Israel’s Lord would pour out on the rebellious vassal-nation the full vengeance of His broken covenant. But though the curse would be executed to the uttermost, the blessing of the covenant would be secured for the many who were the elect and true Israel. Before the curse terminated the old Mosaic order, Messiah would institute the new covenant order, in which the old people and city and temple would find continuity and consummation. Before the Jerusalem temple was levelled, the foundations of the everlasting temple of the Spirit, which is Christ and His church, would be laid. This new, anti typical restoration of God’s temple would be the achievement of what is portrayed as ten jubilee periods.

In the course of the climactic seventieth week, masiah nagid, the anointed priest-king, would make the covenant prevail both in renewal and in judgment. Cut off in death, Messiah would make priestly reconciliation for iniquity, so perfecting sacrifice forever and instituting the new covenant. Then exercising His royal heavenly rule over all the nations, Messiah in the midst of the seventieth week would send forces of destruction against the Jerusalem temple, so making the old ritual system cease [43] and bringing the old covenant to its end. [44]

When we survey the fulfillment of Gabriel’s prophecy from our vantage point, it appears that the last half of the seventieth week is the age of the community of the new covenant, disengaged from the old covenant order with whose closing days its own beginnings overlapped for a generation. In the imagery of the New Testament Apocalypse, the last half week is the age of the church in the wilderness of the nations for a time, and times, and half a time (Rev. 12:14). Since the seventy weeks are ten jubilee eras that issue in the last jubilee, the seventieth week closes with the angelic trumpeting of the earth’s redemption and the glorious liberty of the children of God. The acceptable year of the Lord which came with Christ will then have fully come. Then the new Jerusalem whose temple is the Lord and the Lamb will descend from heaven (Rev. 21:10,22) and the ark of the covenant will be seen (Rev. 11:19), the covenant the Lamb has made to prevail and the Lord has remembered.

(Worth a read, IMHO, though I can hear the hissing from certain quarters from here.)

50 posted on 02/11/2013 4:34:14 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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