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Speculation mounts on who will be next pope
Fox News ^ | February 11, 2013 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 02/11/2013 12:06:45 PM PST by Alex Murphy

“The entire College of Cardinals has been appointed by Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI, therefore it’s extraordinarily unlikely that the next pope will not reflect their collective interpretation of the council, which means in worldly terms, a conservative pope,” said R.R. Reno, editor of First Things magazine and professor of theology at Creighton University, in Omaha, Neb. “So the question is whether the College of Cardinals wants another ‘professor pope’ or do they want someone to kind of deal with the Vatican bureaucracy, or a diplomat?

“I’m not a handicapper and I couldn’t begin to speculate,” he said. “But the common wisdom is these things swing like a pendulum.”

William Hill, Britain's largest bookmaker, offered odds of 3/1 against for Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze, who is 80 and was once the world's youngest bishop. Odds were set at 7/2 for Canadian Cardinal Marc Ouellet and Ghanian Cardinal Peter Turkson.

Irish bookmaker Paddy Power had the same trio as frontrunners, but made Ouellet the favorite. Britain's Ladbrokes had Turkson the leading contender.

Other possible successors include Cardinal Angelo Scola, the archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, the archbishop of Vienna and Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras.

Whomever is selected, Reno said, will have the initial task of providing a “strong, clear identity and purpose” internationally, particularly in Europe and throughout Latin America.

Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York is a “long shot” at best, Reno said.

“It’s not clear that the rest of the church would accept American hegemony,” he said, despite the fact that Dolan backs the pope’s conservative vision.

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When pressed for whom he thought was the leading candidate worldwide, Bretzke selected the 71-year-old Scola, who was appointed Archbishop of Milan by Pope Benedict XVI in June 2011 after serving as Patriarch of Venice

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William Hill, Britain's largest bookmaker, offered odds of 3/1 against for Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze, who is 80 and was once the world's youngest bishop. Odds were set at 7/2 for Canadian Cardinal Marc Ouellet and Ghanian Cardinal Peter Turkson. Irish bookmaker Paddy Power had the same trio as frontrunners, but made Ouellet the favorite. Britain's Ladbrokes had Turkson the leading contender. Other possible successors include Cardinal Angelo Scola, the archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, the archbishop of Vienna and Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras....

....Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York is a “long shot” at best, Reno said.

1 posted on 02/11/2013 12:06:51 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Obama?


2 posted on 02/11/2013 12:09:47 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Alex Murphy

When does God get involved?


3 posted on 02/11/2013 12:09:58 PM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: Alex Murphy

It has to be someone who is not going to be squishy on teachings. IOW no political correctness to make the left happy.


4 posted on 02/11/2013 12:11:18 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: GeronL

Voldemort...


5 posted on 02/11/2013 12:11:46 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Hardraade

lol


6 posted on 02/11/2013 12:13:27 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Alex Murphy
I have read two interesting things about the workings of conclaves, with respect to selecting a new Pope.

The first is--if all other things are equal between two candidates--is that they often favor a short-long-short cycle when it comes to the length of their tenure. If we followed this logic, John Paul II had a long reign; Benedict had a relatively short reign; the next Pope might be a younger one, capable of a long reign.

The second thing I read was this: any one going into the conclave expecting to be Pope, typically comes out as a cardinal.

8 posted on 02/11/2013 12:14:40 PM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Alex Murphy

I want to see a younger African who is doctrinally conservative. Arinze is a good man but is old. Forget an Italian, forget the Austrian, the Canadian might be good.. but an African will knock it out of the ball park. Leave our Uncle Timmy here in New York—we like him.


9 posted on 02/11/2013 12:14:49 PM PST by brooklyn dave (1st commandment THOU SHALT NOT BELIEVE THY GOVERNMENT)
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To: MeOnTheBeach

It’s His Church.

He is involved.


10 posted on 02/11/2013 12:15:08 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Alex Murphy

This guy gets the last Word.

11 posted on 02/11/2013 12:15:08 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Alex Murphy

lol!!


12 posted on 02/11/2013 12:16:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: rbmillerjr

Perfect.


13 posted on 02/11/2013 12:16:53 PM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Alex Murphy; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

As the man says, an African will knock it out of the park for a touchdown, all others are either going to miss the boat or are already under the bus!


14 posted on 02/11/2013 12:18:40 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Cardinal Angelo Sodano


15 posted on 02/11/2013 12:21:39 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (If you want to ring the bell - you got to swing the hammer hard!)
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To: All

Cardinal Ouellet is my preference at this point.


16 posted on 02/11/2013 12:21:54 PM PST by Preston Manning (When standing on the edge of a cliff, a "giant step forward" is NOT progress!)
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To: Lou L

I would think that having seen how the ravages of age have plagued Benedict and cut short his ministry, that yes, they will pick a relatively young man this time.


17 posted on 02/11/2013 12:24:25 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Alex Murphy

Someone I haven’t seen mentioned, Cardinal Joseph Zen Ze-kiun.


18 posted on 02/11/2013 12:24:41 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Alex Murphy

I think they should pick an Arab for Pope. Imagine if the Patriarch of Lebanon was elected, he’s a 72 year old Cardinal.

It could carry as much symbolism as when John-Paul II was elected in 1978, not to mention be a beacon of hope for Christians in the Middle East.


19 posted on 02/11/2013 12:26:00 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: GeronL
lol!!

Apparently someone took offense at it, even though IMO it was hilarious! For the others who missed it, it was a political cartoon hosted at the blog Mommylife of Obama dressed like a pope, sitting on a throne in the "Church Of Obama", in front of stained glass festooned with "O" emblems, an announcement board declaring "why your beliefs mean nothing" and the Declaration of Independence stuffed in a shredder. Obama holds out his left hand to a nearby cardinal and tells him that "you may kiss my ring".

20 posted on 02/11/2013 12:26:58 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: GeronL

Why not, he already has a God complex.


21 posted on 02/11/2013 12:28:16 PM PST by CMailBag
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To: Shadow44

Arinze would be my choice, if he wasn’t 80.


22 posted on 02/11/2013 12:28:36 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Alex Murphy

That was deleted? Must be a copyright issue.


23 posted on 02/11/2013 12:28:45 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
When does God get involved?

In what way is He not involved?

Or, more to the point, what about this article confuses you to the point where you assume that He is not?

24 posted on 02/11/2013 12:31:23 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Alex Murphy

Pope Benedict XVI watches the movie "Karol, un uomo divenuto papa" ("Karol, a man who became Pope"), to remember the late Pope John Paul II at the Vatican in this May 19, 2005 file photo. Pope Benedict said on February 11, 2013 he will resign on Feb 28 because he no longer has the strength to fulfill the duties of his office, becoming the first pontiff since the Middle Ages to take such a step.
25 posted on 02/11/2013 12:32:58 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (If you want to ring the bell - you got to swing the hammer hard!)
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To: rbmillerjr

I am sure the Protestants would disagree on this point.


26 posted on 02/11/2013 12:33:17 PM PST by Republican1795.
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To: Alex Murphy
Apparently someone took offense at it, even though IMO it was hilarious!

That Ramirez cartoon is indeed hilarious, but I can speculate on why it was pulled: copyright violation. Ramirez / IBD insist you go visit their site to view their stuff.

27 posted on 02/11/2013 12:33:54 PM PST by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: brooklyn dave
Turkson is an excellent African candidate.

He is also a particularly strong Scripture scholar.

We would do very well with a man like him.

28 posted on 02/11/2013 12:35:22 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Alex Murphy

“Vicar of Christ” Walter F. Murphy (very enjoyable book, even if the premise is VERY unlikely to happen)
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1369503.The_Vicar_of_Christ

“Shoes of the Fisherman” - Morris West
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Shoes+of+the+Fisherman%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


29 posted on 02/11/2013 12:39:12 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Republican1795.

“I am sure the Protestants would disagree on this point.”

It’s in their nature.


30 posted on 02/11/2013 12:39:51 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
When does God get involved?

He is already involved, and it's His decision.

Bookmakers, pundits, anti-Catholics, and others who think as men think (rather than as God thinks) ignore Him, of course.

31 posted on 02/11/2013 12:47:22 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Revolting cat!

I wonder if he’ll use a football bat.


32 posted on 02/11/2013 12:55:09 PM PST by RPTMS
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To: Alex Murphy
Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, the archbishop of Vienna

Oh, please, God, NO. The last thing we need is this liberal. Or any other liberal.
33 posted on 02/11/2013 12:58:32 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: Alex Murphy
Well, Bill Clinton is out.

The prophecy says the next pope will be Peter the Roman...not the roamin' peter....

34 posted on 02/11/2013 1:08:27 PM PST by apillar
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To: brooklyn dave

I would be very much surprised if Cardinal Dolan got the nod. The American Church right now is going through the starts of a needed house cleaning. Look for either the one from Canada or the one from Africa, since the Church has seen LOTS of growth there.


35 posted on 02/11/2013 1:09:19 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: apillar

Has not that prophecy been debunked?


36 posted on 02/11/2013 1:12:22 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dfwgator

Same here, but it will all be up to God to decide who will be the next Pope.


37 posted on 02/11/2013 1:14:53 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Well, Bill Clinton is out.
The prophecy says the next pope will be Peter the Roman...not the roamin' peter....

Has not that prophecy been debunked?

I don't have the slightest idea, I just used it as jumping off point for a Clinton joke ;-)

38 posted on 02/11/2013 1:19:28 PM PST by apillar
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To: Alex Murphy

The media is pushing for a black pope.......won’t happen...my bet says either Italian or Latin American.


39 posted on 02/11/2013 1:21:18 PM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: Alex Murphy
Charles Chaput. Native American. Archbishop but not a Cardinal.

I wish I had a vote!

40 posted on 02/11/2013 1:23:32 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Slyfox

.....Yet the most forgotten guy in the room.


41 posted on 02/11/2013 1:32:22 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: kenmcg

Which is ironic because the African cardinals may be more “conservative” than the Italian and South American cardinals.


42 posted on 02/11/2013 1:33:23 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: Alex Murphy

I bet their caller ID at the Vatican is blocked to Bill Clinton who keeps calling to ask if they would choose him.


43 posted on 02/11/2013 1:38:21 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
"When does God get involved?"

Don't know? Ask the stripper who speaks in tongues at the "Church of the Howling Rosetta Stone".

Call Pastor Herb Tarlek first, though, as the schedule for services varies from week to week depending on what hours those with gifts will be working at the, "Budda Bing Club".

44 posted on 02/11/2013 1:40:34 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: wideawake
Or, more to the point, what about this article confuses you to the point where you assume that He is not?

In every age from Adam to John The Revelator, all the leaders of the people of God, were called by God for life. God was directly involved with each of these men. None of them "retired". Especially not for personal interests.

If he's the leader of God's church, how can he just up and decide to "retire"?
45 posted on 02/11/2013 1:46:05 PM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Angelo Sodano? A liberal from the 1980s?


46 posted on 02/11/2013 1:47:35 PM PST by dangus
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To: rbmillerjr
It’s His Church.

He is involved.

I see no evidence for either of your statements to be true. I see just the opposite.

History is the Catholic Churches biggest critic for their claims of divine guidance or authorship. Well... that and nearly the entire Bible.


47 posted on 02/11/2013 1:56:27 PM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach
None of them "retired".

"And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel." - 1 Samuel 8.

"And Zadok the priest took an horn of oil out of the tabernacle, and anointed Solomon. And they blew the trumpet; and all the people said, God save King Solomon." 1 Kings 39 - this occurred before the death of King David.

48 posted on 02/11/2013 1:57:42 PM PST by wideawake
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To: MeOnTheBeach
that and nearly the entire Bible

See post 48.

Glass houses, and all that.

49 posted on 02/11/2013 1:59:02 PM PST by wideawake
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To: dangus; Berlin_Freeper
Sodano is barely six months younger than Pope Benedict.

I don't think the conclave will pick an 85 year old.

50 posted on 02/11/2013 2:04:13 PM PST by wideawake
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