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Gay Catholics hope new “progressive” Pope will convene Vatican III
LSN ^ | Ben Johnson

Posted on 02/12/2013 12:30:39 PM PST by Morgana

VATICAN CITY, February 11, 2013, (LifeSiteNews.com) – Homosexual Catholic groups hope after Pope Benedict XVI steps down, a new “progressive” Pope will champion LGBT issues, female ordination, and contraception at a Third Vatican Council.

“The new Pope will have an opportunity like Pope John XXIII to open wide windows of the Church so that fresh ideas may fill the Church by calling for a new Ecumenical Council of the Church, Vatican III,” said the Rainbow Sash Movement in a press release on Pope Benedict XVI's resignation. .

“The resignation of Pope Benedict XVI [is] an opportunity for the Church to finally to start addressing the many scandals that are facing it,” the dissenting organization said. “Those range from the clergy sexual abuse scandal, birth control issues, women’s ordination, sexuality that deals with the human rights of LGBT People, and looming largely on the horizon are financial issues that involve a lack of ethics that would create a culture of transparency and accountability.”

The group of homosexual and transgender Catholics stated the next pope should step away from an emphasis on “purity.” Instead, he must “continue the reforms of Vatican II” and “seriously embrace the road to Ecumenicalism.” [sic]

New York Times reporter and columnist Nicholas Kristof wrote that he would like to see the Catholic Church change its policy ”on contraception, on female and non-celibate priests, and on gays...The church has such influence worldwide that it would be great to see a Vatican III!”

The homosexual Catholic group Equally Blessed cited the Vatican's worldwide impact, claiming that by “promoting discrimination against LGBT people, the church inflicts pain on marginalized people, alienates the faithful, and lends moral credibility to reactionary political movements across the globe.”

To right this wrong, DignityUSA called “on the Cardinals and the new Pope to enter into a true dialogue with our community. We call for an end to statements that inflict harm on already marginalized people, depict us as less than fully human, and lend credence to those seeking to justify discrimination.”

The new pope, the group hopes, will “not only to embrace but...champion” the homosexual rights movement.

“History reminds us that no one expected the election of Pope John XXIII in 1958, and in calling the Second Vatican Council, he clearly moved the church into a more progressive era,” wrote Francis DeBernardo of New Ways Ministry.

The statements of Equally Blessed and DignityUSA were faithfully reported by the National Catholic Reporter. In its coverage of Pope Benedict's resignation Monday, Reuters news service also printed unattributed statements hoping the next pope would be “more progressive.”

The present pontiff's unwavering loyalty to the Magisterium's teaching on moral issues provoked a series of public clashes with liberal dissenters, as well as behind-the-scenes battles with European bishops, both as pope for eight years and previously as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF).

“For the last three decades, [Pope] Benedict has been one of the main architect’s of the Vatican’s policies against LGBT people,” wrote DeBernardo, who rehearsed his own organization's history of clashes with the pontiff.

“New Ways Ministry directly experienced those harsh policies several times over the years, most notably in 1999 when the CDF attempted to silence our organization’s co-founders, Sister Jeannine Gramick and Father Robert Nugent,” he added. “Fortunately, we have survived the many attempts by the Vatican to end our ministry, and, thanks to the support of so many Catholics, we have emerged stronger for it.”

As the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger said the ministry's work was “doctrinally unacceptable” and enjoined them from further ministry or writing on homosexuality.

Yet last Valentine’s Day, DeBernardo and Sr. Grammick penned an op-ed in The Washington Post entitled, “A Catholic Case for Same-Sex Marriage.”

The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that homosexual activities constitute “grave depravity...Under no circumstances can they be approved.”


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1 posted on 02/12/2013 12:30:52 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

End times! We’re livin’ in end times!


2 posted on 02/12/2013 12:32:06 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: narses; Salvation; NYer; Chode; wagglebee; little jeremiah

God please no.


3 posted on 02/12/2013 12:32:11 PM PST by Morgana (This space for rent.)
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To: Morgana

Again and again we hear from groups that should never be allowed to call themselves Catholic or even Christian.


4 posted on 02/12/2013 12:35:46 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: miss marmelstein

Woe unto them who call good evil and evil good.


5 posted on 02/12/2013 12:36:38 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Morgana

In the current environment, it would be the same as calling a Constitutional Convention here. The nutjobs would rush and overrun it.


6 posted on 02/12/2013 12:37:46 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Morgana

I call on Planned Parenthood to open its doors to modern science and be more accepting of FBZG people.

(fetus, blastula, zygote, gastrula)

I can wait.

Dum dee dum dee dum.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 12:39:22 PM PST by Claud
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To: Mark17

I’m 57 and I’ve gone from being a proud, pampered and happy baby boomer American to being a frightened woman who believes her country is dying or dead. I strongly believe our high tide water mark was World War II and it’s amazing aftermath.


8 posted on 02/12/2013 12:43:51 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Morgana

Why don’t they start their own church? They can hold all the gay councils they want.


9 posted on 02/12/2013 12:44:17 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Morgana

Do they really believe the church will bless anal matrimony?


10 posted on 02/12/2013 12:45:04 PM PST by Never on my watch (GALT)
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To: Morgana

Any Pope that will champion LGBT issues,and female ordination, would have to be guided by the Devil.

It would lead to the immediate destruction of the Catholic Church.

As a life long Catholic if a Pope proposed to allow Same sex marriages and Lesbians in the clergy, I would leave that day.


11 posted on 02/12/2013 12:46:49 PM PST by Venturer
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To: PGR88
Why don’t they start their own church?

Because they live to serve their master, who wants to destroy all that is just, right, and good.

12 posted on 02/12/2013 12:47:07 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Morgana

gay Catholic? No such reality.


13 posted on 02/12/2013 12:48:48 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: Morgana

The attraction to the same sex does not allow one to call themselves Christian — it’s forbidden in the Bible.

So why would a new Pope convey a Vatican III - the point is mute and irrelevant...this is the dark one speaking and making a blasphemy of what Christ lived for!


14 posted on 02/12/2013 12:52:26 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Morgana

This is one reason I hope they pick the African Cardinal for the new Pope. African Catholics tend to be very conservative with the exception of free market politics.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 12:53:09 PM PST by Clock King
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To: MichaelCorleone

Then I guess all those priests who molested kids must have been straight.


16 posted on 02/12/2013 12:54:26 PM PST by raccoonradio
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To: Morgana

They already have their church. It is called the Episcopalian/Anglican church where bishops can be queens.


17 posted on 02/12/2013 12:54:59 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: raccoonradio

I hate to tell you but in this irrational world, some people do think that men raping boys are...straight.


18 posted on 02/12/2013 12:56:56 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Morgana; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

News Flash! These folks will be waiting for a while ... a long while. All of the cardinals that make up the college were appointed by either JPII or Benedict XVI.


19 posted on 02/12/2013 12:57:05 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: Morgana

By definition there are no gay Catholics (priests who break their vows have self-excommunicated).

Catholicism isn’t “buffet.” You either adhere to the Church’s Laws or you are not a Catholic. You might be something else, and even a good person. But you aren’t a Catholic.

The same goes for birth control Catholics.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 12:58:35 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: forgotten man

I’m not Catholic, but I have to say this is why the Church must completely reject such groups. If they don’t believe in the teachings of a certain faith, why are they in it? Why try to change it, other than for suspect purposes? It would be like me, being a Baptist, joining a Mormon Temple, and then trying to change everything they teach.


21 posted on 02/12/2013 1:01:21 PM PST by Clock King
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To: Morgana
The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that homosexual activities constitute “grave depravity...Under no circumstances can they be approved.”

Oh, it's worse than that. The old Baltimore Catechism called it a sin that cried out to heaven for vengeance.

Head for the hills. Don't look back.

22 posted on 02/12/2013 1:03:46 PM PST by Claud
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To: Morgana
In their perverted dreams.
23 posted on 02/12/2013 1:05:31 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: raccoonradio

“Then I guess all those priests who molested kids must have been straight”

Nice try, but that’s not what I meant.

Try a little critical thinking.


24 posted on 02/12/2013 1:05:39 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: miss marmelstein
I strongly believe our high tide water mark was World War II and it’s amazing aftermath.

The country had voted for FDR 4 times starting in 1932. That was the beginning of the decline. FDR was even more radical than Obama - much more along the lines of Hugo Chavez. Read FDR's second bill of rights to get an idea of what he really was. Thankfully FDR died and we were spared the kind of socialism he really believed in. America did well for awhile post WW2 because the rest of the industrialized world was destroyed. Once we had to actually compete it became obvious the policies this country had put in place were a disaster - along with the bloated, corrupt labor unions that were saddling much of industry with an extra layer of bureaucracy.

25 posted on 02/12/2013 1:06:31 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Morgana

translation: people living in sin would rather change the church than themselves.


26 posted on 02/12/2013 1:07:34 PM PST by libdestroyer
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To: Morgana

"YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY"

It ain't complicated

27 posted on 02/12/2013 1:08:59 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Morgana

28 posted on 02/12/2013 1:09:09 PM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: Morgana

Catholic Homosexuals?
If the Catholic Church teaches the word of God then these folks are open sinners basically wanting their sin to be authorized by the new Pope.


29 posted on 02/12/2013 1:09:21 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: MichaelCorleone

If the next Pope DOES those things he will be the “Last Pope”.


30 posted on 02/12/2013 1:09:31 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Never on my watch

“Do they really believe the church will bless anal matrimony?”

Butt-hole-y matrimony? too far?


31 posted on 02/12/2013 1:10:34 PM PST by libdestroyer
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To: MichaelCorleone

“gay Catholic? No such reality.”

There are plenty of pro-abortion, liberal Catholics. No excommunication for Nancy Pelosi... that’s a sad reality.


32 posted on 02/12/2013 1:12:29 PM PST by libdestroyer
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To: Morgana

Yes, the “all about me” gays who think the whole world revolves around them and their narcissistic behaviors.


33 posted on 02/12/2013 1:13:06 PM PST by MissesBush (The Fourth Estate has Become a Fifth Column)
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To: BCW
There are many married men who are involuntarily "attracted" to women other than their wives, but that is not called adultery: it's called "temptation."

Thre are many people who are "attracted" to more calories a day than they can healthily ingest, but that is not called gluttony, it's called "temptation."

And there are men who are "attracted" to men, and women who are "attracted" to women, but that is not called sodomy: it's called "temptation".

"Temptation" becomes sin only when it is deliberately entertained or indulged; not when it is resisted.

People attracted to the same sex can indeed be Christians and can indeed lead lives of heroic virtue and be saints. This is by the grace of God, in which they struggle to resist sins of thought, word, and deed.

As must we all, every day of our lives. Because the attractions are all around us. It's called "temptation".

34 posted on 02/12/2013 1:14:23 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Benedictus qui venit in Nomine Domini.)
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To: miss marmelstein
End times! We’re livin’ in end times!

The last Trial of The Church in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth.

We wait in joyful hope for the second coming of Our Lord and Savior to judge the living and the dead.

35 posted on 02/12/2013 1:20:08 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Morgana

“Homosexual Catholic groups hope after Pope Benedict XVI steps down, a new “progressive” Pope will champion LGBT issues, female ordination, and contraception at a Third Vatican Council.”

Not a chance in hell which is where they are all going.


36 posted on 02/12/2013 1:21:29 PM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: freedumb2003
Thanks for mentioning contraception. It is a thoroughly un-Biblical, un-Godly practice. There is no warrant for it in Scripture, and the first man reported as committing contraception in the history of the human race was condemned by God (Genesis 38:8-10). And it is similar to homosexuality, because it is choosing to intentionally split sexuality away from its created nature and structure.

A thoughtful gay writer, Richard Rodriguez, notes that "Contracepting couples are heterosexual gays."

37 posted on 02/12/2013 1:22:36 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Benedictus qui venit in Nomine Domini.)
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To: Longbow1969

In those days, we were still an united, Christian country. Just check out the movies once the Hayes Commission came into being. (And I speak as a pre-code fan!) Today, we are fractured and contemptous of religion. Very different from FDR - and I basically agree with you.


38 posted on 02/12/2013 1:23:37 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Clock King

Unfortunately, Francis Cardinal Arinze is now 80 years old. Pope Benedict XVI was already 78 when elected and he has run out of steam at age 86. How many of us work until we’re 86?

Are the disgusting Rainbow Sash buttpeople still out there? And why do they assume that Third World cardinals are likely to be sexual liberation radicals?


39 posted on 02/12/2013 1:23:40 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: massgopguy

I would say: “If the next Pope DOES those things, THE POPE BEFORE HIM would have been the “Last Pope”.


40 posted on 02/12/2013 1:25:50 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Benedictus qui venit in Nomine Domini.)
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To: Longbow1969
FDR was even more radical than Obama

FDR's radicalism was economic, not social. Back in those days abortion and "gay rights" had not even been dreamed of.

Ironically, the America of FDR was more conservative than the America of Ronald Reagan, even though FDR was more liberal than Reagan.

41 posted on 02/12/2013 1:37:10 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: PGR88

“Why don’t they start their own church? They can hold all the gay councils they want.”

They do. It’s called the Unitarian Universa Church. Atheists welcome too!


42 posted on 02/12/2013 1:41:42 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Morgana
Gay Catholics hope new “progressive” Pope will convene Vatican III...... change policy ”on contraception, on female and non-celibate priests, and on gays.......and “not only embrace....but champion” the homosexual rights movement.

"Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." ~ GK Chesterton

43 posted on 02/12/2013 1:44:28 PM PST by massmike (At least no one is wearing a "Ron Paul - 2016" tee shirt........yet!)
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To: Morgana

I’m sure Satan/the antichrist will have no issue with allowing such.


44 posted on 02/12/2013 2:01:14 PM PST by WCH
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To: Morgana

No way, Jose and Jeremy! Gay marriage will never be allowed by the Roman Catholic Church, not because it is a sin against Chastity, but because it is a sin against Reason.


45 posted on 02/12/2013 2:05:00 PM PST by miserare
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To: libdestroyer

What would a butthole wedding dress look like?

(Sorry...not meant to offend anyone who is not a member of Dignity.)


46 posted on 02/12/2013 2:09:48 PM PST by miserare
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To: OpusatFR

Unitarians...the denomination for atheists who like to go to church.


47 posted on 02/12/2013 2:10:44 PM PST by miserare
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To: raccoonradio

Yes, we have sinners in the catholic church. Also some saints. You probably wouldn’t like it.


48 posted on 02/12/2013 2:11:13 PM PST by Romulus
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To: libdestroyer

This is why Raymond Leo Burke should be the next Pope.


49 posted on 02/12/2013 2:12:16 PM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

America was never a truly conservative country. That’s why we’re in the toilet now.


50 posted on 02/12/2013 2:13:41 PM PST by Romulus
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