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Why Mormonism will Surrender to Homosexuality
Renew America ^ | Feb. 13, 2013 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 02/13/2013 4:44:23 AM PST by spirited irish

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To: Hoodat

Christians do, having been given that authority by God through his apostle:

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” Gal. 1:8


101 posted on 02/13/2013 7:01:09 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: T. P. Pole
The certainly must be a better, more productive way to warn your neighbors.

Provide an example or two; and maybe we clods will learn how to be more effective.

'Til then; my 2*4 upside the head will have to do.

102 posted on 02/13/2013 7:01:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: T. P. Pole
 

If you have cable TV, there won’t be much on to watch.


 

 

 

 

If there isn’t much on to watch, you will answer your door whenever someone rings.


 

 

 

 

If you open your door, you will see mormons.


 

 

 

 

If you talk to mormons, they will trick you into “praying about whether something is true”.


 

 

 

 

If you rely on your feelings, you may become a mormon.


 

 

 

 

If you become a mormon, you will have to wear magic underwear!


 

 

 

 

If you wear magic underwear, people will immediately label you as a cultist.


DON’T be a cultist!
Get DirectTV.


103 posted on 02/13/2013 7:02:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fattigermaster
Your decision. But that is a claim that does not appear to be supported. Hence my request for references. If you choose not to provide them, then I will remain suspicious of that claim, and by extension, doubt any other claim you make without personal experience supporting.
104 posted on 02/13/2013 7:03:39 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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105 posted on 02/13/2013 7:04:00 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: T. P. Pole
I think this behavior is what causes the various claims of Mormon bashing, even from non-Mormons.


Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.

Bold
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Spotlighting
Heresy

106 posted on 02/13/2013 7:04:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Love the ink-blot Joseph.


107 posted on 02/13/2013 7:05:17 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: Hoodat

bashing? How so?


108 posted on 02/13/2013 7:06:07 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Hoodat

Doesn’t treat women equally——like Mormonism?

I imagine you saw my earlier post about attempting to compare doctrinal differences to blasphemous teachings. Christians differ on, IMO, minor points. Mormonism teaches stuff that doesn’t even begin to resemble Christianity.

I don’t know if you’re a Christian, but take, for example, the Mormon doctrine which says God impregnated Mary. Doesn’t that make your soul cringe?


109 posted on 02/13/2013 7:07:38 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Boogieman
Christians do, having been given that authority by God

What a coincidence. That's the same thing Torquemada said.

110 posted on 02/13/2013 7:08:09 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Rebel_Ace
Here’s a radical idea: Pick a church forum YOU like, and go there.
111 posted on 02/13/2013 7:08:09 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Hoodat

When you post a Southern Baptist thread be sure and ping everyone -K?


112 posted on 02/13/2013 7:09:53 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Hoodat

Wouldn’t that depend on whose definition of Christianity you are using?
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Well if you want Christianity you read and believe the Bible...

If you dont want Christianity but some other religion, you read the book of Mormon and get the indigestion of Mormonism or the koran and get under the burka of Islam..

then theres the religious writings of the other religions, several mush more interesting and believable than the bom, and you might want to try them...

as for me and my house, though, we will serve THE Lord” Joshua 24:15

THE Lord is Jesus Christ the Righteous..

He is God of the Christian Bible..

He is eternal, forever, He has always been...

He is the Creator...

Everything was created from nothing...

and nothing was made that was not made through Him...

Big difference right there in what Christians beleve and what is contained in the beliefs and doctrines of Mormonism..

While God in the Christian Bible states “God is not man” Numbers 23:19

Mormonism has a basic premise that the Mormon gods were men who worked up to and finally earned godhood..

The reast of that last verse is “(God is not a man) that He should lie”

The Judeo-Christian God is unchangeable and has never lied nor will He ever...

The Mormon god and gods lie constantly...

One day the Mormons claim it has said some doctrine is forever, and the next their Mormon god or gods has changed its mind and wants them to go in a different direction, none of them Biblical or Godly..

Mormon doctrines are directly influenced by the current social and political atmosphere..

The LORD God of the Christian Bible could care less about whether Willard ever got elected, He never fell off His throne at that failure of the Mormon gods..

Unlike the Mormon gods, The LORD God of the Christians isnt led by the nose with history...He is the author of history..

While the God of the Christian Bible is dependable, the Mormons have had a bumpy unsteady time in the “evolvement” of their doctrines as suggested by their “progressive” gods..

Is it any wonder that Mormons deny and reject the Bible ???

The Bible proves that Joey Smith was never a prophet and that the Mormon gods are not divine nor righteous but are the invention of secular lustful greedy evil men...


113 posted on 02/13/2013 7:10:09 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie
Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.

Yes, Elsie, that is true, and also fair.

But we all have seen threads turn to "bashing" on the mere mention of Utah in the article, even if the subject is Arches National Park and has nothing to do with mormons beyond vacinity.

114 posted on 02/13/2013 7:10:14 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: T. P. Pole
If you choose not to provide them, then I will remain suspicious of that claim, and by extension, doubt any other claim you make without personal experience supporting.

I couldn't care less if you were suspicious of me being a Satanist building a basement using babies' skulls for bricks.

115 posted on 02/13/2013 7:11:39 AM PST by fattigermaster (When tigers hunt, the jackals profit...when tigers sleep, the jackals rule.)
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To: T. P. Pole

And with that, I need to run off now. I’ll try to stop by this evening to respond.


116 posted on 02/13/2013 7:12:13 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: CatherineofAragon
take, for example, the Mormon doctrine which says God impregnated Mary. Doesn’t that make your soul cringe?

If God did not make Mary pregnant, then who did?

But thanks for proving my point. You have elected yourself arbiter of this matter. It is you who gets to decide what constitutes a mere doctrinal difference and what constitutes blasphemy. You allow some religions to get a free pass when it comes to obeying scripture, writing it off as "doctrinal differences". Yet you come down hard on others for some crazy idea that God had something to do with Mary becoming pregnant. It reminds me of Christ's words to those about to stone Mary Magdalene. He didn't say, 'those who haven't committed adultery throw the first stone'. He said 'those who are without sin'.

117 posted on 02/13/2013 7:18:34 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: CatherineofAragon

I agree, but you are leaving out the OT. It takes a leap of faith to believe a man named Noah built a giant ship and saved civilization by loading all species onto the ship. Could that be a metaphore or simply a story to teach a greater lesson? Historical records are going to be more reliable from David’s time around 1,500 BC and certainly around Christ’s time than Genesis.

Yes, much of the Bible (both OT and NT) is historical and none of that to my knowledge has been proven false. Much of what is in the Bible is teaching and philosophy and we are to believe that is the Word of God. Much of it are letters and stories of the apostles using various styles to convert various groups. And again, you still discount the human element. The Apostles and Gospel authors were great men no doubt, but did God write their letters or were they simply inspired by the Holy Spirit to spread the Good News, but the words writen were their own slants or sales speels and not God’s actual words. The fact is, the NT Bible passages were chosen by the Council of Nicea under the authority of the Pope and the Emperor Constantine. You have to figure the final product was some kind of debate/compromise as there were thousands of passages, stories, and Gospels that were left out. Not anywhere near every account of Christ made the cut. In the end, you still had a council of human beings deciding what was the Word of God and what was heresy... and there are plenty of heresies that could have been included that conflict with what made the cut. So, if you believe the Bible and nothing but the Bible is the Word of God, you believe that God pulled the puppet strings on much human interaction among the early Christians. Personally, I struggle with it a bit.


118 posted on 02/13/2013 7:20:02 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Hoodat

Okay, I see. You don’t recognize Scriptural authority, you’re into the politically-correct idea of “not judging”......and you’re fine with blasphemy, even agree with it.

No need in going further here. You have a nice day.


119 posted on 02/13/2013 7:23:46 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: svcw

That won’t be happening. I don’t feel the need to begin multiple threads attacking other religions solely for the purpose of assuaging my own fears. I was simply pointing out the double-standard.


120 posted on 02/13/2013 7:24:21 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: T. P. Pole

Or you could expose the doctrinal errors. Remember, most “Mormon-bashing” consists of people using the church’s own words. If I went to the UMC website and posted the church’s own words, that’s not Methodist bashing. If I posted John Wesley’s own words, that’s not Methodist bashing. If I posted John Knox’s own words, that’s not Presbyterian bashing.

The difference is this: I am allowed and willing to criticize my church when it is wrong. And I do so quite often. When a Mormon is confronted with the words of the church or its leaders, they can have several responses.
Example: The church says God lives on the planet Kolob.

1. That is factually incorrect.
2. That is correct but I don’t believe that myself
3. That is correct and I believe it is true
4. You are bashing my religion.
For some reason, #4 seems to be the default answer.
If someone came in and said “John Wesley didn’t want to split with the Anglican church”, as a Methodist I would respond with #2 and never #4.


121 posted on 02/13/2013 7:27:04 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: wolfman23601

lds practice polygamy they do not think its wrong.
Many lds groups openly practice, some hide it, the SLC lds have their celestial marriage “marrying people after they die”.
It is not possible to be in the high level of celestial being with out many wives.
But, hey only 15% or so of lds reach this level, so maybe the other levels do not need multi wives.


122 posted on 02/13/2013 7:28:34 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Rebel_Ace

You are almost there...


123 posted on 02/13/2013 7:29:04 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: PapaBear3625
As far as I'm concerned, if somebody is engaged in opposing socialism and Islamism, then he is my brother,

Well, that would not be mormonISM.

124 posted on 02/13/2013 7:30:39 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Hoodat

“If God did not make Mary pregnant, then who did?”

Not who. What. The Holy Spirit. It was a miracle. She remained a virgin even though she were pregnant. There was no sex.


125 posted on 02/13/2013 7:31:24 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: svcw

I am talking about the authority of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints, which has been against polygamy in doctrine since the 19th century. Yes, there are offshoots that still practice it and are consistent with the teachings in their book, but those offshoots are considered heretical by the mother church.


126 posted on 02/13/2013 7:32:53 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: spirited irish; All
You want to know who's bound for hell? Anyone that denies food, clothing, or shelter to a sinner.

I don't agree with much in the way of anything Catholic. But we are judged individually by our own works. So says Jesus, The Son of the Living God, who alone will judge the world.

I will probably be racing to catch up to some humble Catholic nun who spent her life caring for the poor and sick. Or some Catholic priest who lost is life in a far away land trying to teach people about Jesus. I am not worthy to be compared to such people.

So where do some people get off claiming to be Christians and in the same breath claim that it is right to deny people housing and freedom from oppression to any human being? We hate the homosexual life style. We hate what the spread of homosexuality is doing to our culture. But we have to be charitable, kind, and caring to all people.

If the Mormons are inviting the homosexuals to church and are being kind to them and making sure they are protected as people. Well... that's what Jesus wants us all to do. I mean how else are we going to raise these people up and help them repent?
127 posted on 02/13/2013 7:33:21 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: wolfman23601
As far as I'm concerned, if somebody is engaged in opposing socialism and Islamism, then he is my brother

Except mormonISM does not oppose either.

128 posted on 02/13/2013 7:34:07 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: PapaBear3625
When a religion is predominantly about suppressing personal freedom (like Islam, Scientology, or a few others)

Then where is your opposition to mormonISM?

129 posted on 02/13/2013 7:36:34 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
Okay, I see. You don’t recognize Scriptural authority

Actually, I do. I simply pointed out where you anointed yourself as the one to pick and choose which scriptures are worthy of the 'heresy' label and which ones do not.
br>you’re into the politically-correct idea of “not judging”....

Actually, it was Jesus' idea. You obviously don't recognize scriptural authority when you see it.


..and you’re fine with blasphemy, even agree with it.

Neither am I fine with it nor have I ever agreed with it.


No need in going further here. You have a nice day.

So this is how you end it by falsely attributing positions to me which I do not hold in order for you to escape being challenged? You have a nice day as well.

130 posted on 02/13/2013 7:39:23 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: AppyPappy

Who said anything about sex?


131 posted on 02/13/2013 7:40:55 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: svcw

Oh man. That would be awesome. :)


132 posted on 02/13/2013 7:42:44 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: T. P. Pole

n 1832, Jesus Christ appeared in a vision to Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon. Both men saw and conversed with him (D&C 76:14) and also witnessed a vision of the kingdoms to which mankind will be assigned in the life hereafter.

The Lord also appeared to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery in April 1836 in the Kirtland Temple shortly after its dedication and manifested his acceptance of this first latter-day temple (D&C 110:1-10).

And then of course when Jesus was born, and also when Jesus came to America and killed all those people, so really way more than three times.


133 posted on 02/13/2013 7:47:13 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Hoodat

You raise excellent questions regarding biblical authority.

Now, my question is this. Who do you regard as the highest authority concerning what counts as canon? Which books did they say count?


134 posted on 02/13/2013 7:47:39 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Hoodat

That’s an LDS teaching. God had sex with Mary.


135 posted on 02/13/2013 7:49:04 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: wolfman23601

I really don’t discount the human element. Earlier I posted that the accuracy of the documents is nearly 100%....to be exact, 99.5%. If God alone was involved, it would be 100%.

The Council of Nicea came together to deal with the heresy of Arianism, which held that Jesus was a man (much like Mormonism). You say there were compromises, but we don’t know that. We have no evidence to support such a claim. At the time, the early church was already using books which were agreed upon to be undisputed canon (the Gospels and Paul’s letters).

As for Noah, it took him decades to build the ark, and Scripture says that the animals came to him and went onto it. Clearly those animals would have had to be led by God to do so. And I don’t need much faith to believe that, really. The biggest miracle of all-—Creation——had already occurred, so yeah, I can believe the ark account.


136 posted on 02/13/2013 7:54:40 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: wolfman23601

And you would be wrong. SLC lds practice polygamy.
Not everyone of course, but the 15% temple worthy do and a few who hide the deed.
Polygamy is necessary for the highest level of celestial being.
There is a reason SLC lds is pushing (not opposing) homosexuals.....that becomes legal then open polygamy will follow.


137 posted on 02/13/2013 7:56:24 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Well and truly stated. But of course the one to whom you responded isn’t interested in truth as it comes to these threads to play contrarian.


138 posted on 02/13/2013 7:57:56 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: spirited irish

The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created BY Him.

Pray they repent of their falsehoods and see the Truth.

The lds-org is a thief of the Name and the Truth of Jesus Christ.

139 posted on 02/13/2013 7:59:39 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Thanks for the insight. I disagree, but I guess that is why I am Catholic... have 2,000 years of history filled with examples of free will leading to human flaw faltering the Word of God.


140 posted on 02/13/2013 8:09:34 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: MHGinTN

Yeah but it will inform the lurkers and edify the FI...

:)


141 posted on 02/13/2013 8:11:07 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Hoodat

“What a coincidence. That’s the same thing Torquemada said.”

So? What’s your point? If one person uses the Bible to wrongly justify something, then nobody can justify anything based on the Bible?


142 posted on 02/13/2013 8:11:48 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Hoodat
"Actually, it was Jesus' idea. You obviously don't recognize scriptural authority when you see it."

Sorry, but you're wrong. I used to see the "not judge" thing from liberals and non-believers in chat rooms and on forums. I'm not saying you're either, but you don't understand the Scripture any more than they do.

Jesus never forbade judging. He taught us how TO judge. If you look at Matthew 7 1:5, He is instructing us not to judge if we are doing the same thing we are judging. In the last sentence, He tells us to make sure we are not guilty of that, and THEN to make our judgement.

In Matthew 7:15, Jesus tells us to beware of false prophets (like Joseph Smith). How are we supposed to tell what's false and what's true unless we make a judgement?

John 7:24 says: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” Judge based on the truth---on Scripture. You might not want to judge, but you have no right to tell me or anyone else not to do so. When you do, you are contradicting what the Bible tells me, and when it comes down to you or it, which do you think I'm going to pick?

1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 says, "“Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.” You are saying we should not test all things.

1 John 4:1 tells us to test the spirits. Again, a judgement must be made.

143 posted on 02/13/2013 8:20:03 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: wolfman23601

Wolfman, I’m not Catholic, but I consider us brother and sister in Christ. Maybe one day when we meet in Heaven we’ll laugh about our differences.


144 posted on 02/13/2013 8:22:17 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Correct, CA


145 posted on 02/13/2013 8:25:15 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Hoodat

Why are you afraid, someone will challenge you?

Maybe defend what you beleive if anything, does that cause you angst?

Come on hoodat, run from your fear....take the challenge, post threads in the religion forum exposing Christianity.


146 posted on 02/13/2013 8:44:25 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

Thanks, svcw


147 posted on 02/13/2013 8:51:35 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Hoodat

Truth about Mormonism is bashing? Check out the bible on false prophets.


148 posted on 02/13/2013 8:52:01 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: svcw
It's not in my heart to engage in some ongoing crusade on this forum against one particular religion or sect whether it be Mormons, or Catholics, or Southern Baptists, or Samaritans, or Jews, or Muslims, or . . .
The underlying premise of attack could be used against any of the above (in fact it was used against the Samaritans back in Jesus' day). It is noticeable how differently Jesus reacted to it compared to those eager to voice their displeasure with Mormonism again and again and again every time one of these 'Mormon' threads pop up.

Incidentally, the main premise of the opening article was not even addressed until the end. It's is worth noting that the Mormon Church was included in the process of writing legislation for Utah. I wish other churches were consulted in the same way for drafting legislation in their own states. But I think it is a stretch to conclude that the Mormon Church will surrender to homosexuality this early in the process. Perhaps the heretic police here should be targeting those denominations who have already surrendered.

149 posted on 02/13/2013 10:07:34 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: AppyPappy

That’s pretty weird. Do you happen to have a link for that?


150 posted on 02/13/2013 10:10:34 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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