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Why Mormonism will Surrender to Homosexuality
Renew America ^ | Feb. 13, 2013 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 02/13/2013 4:44:23 AM PST by spirited irish

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To: CatherineofAragon
But Mormonism is not Christianity, no matter how much some might want it to be, or teach that it is.

Wouldn't that depend on whose definition of Christianity you are using?

51 posted on 02/13/2013 6:13:22 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I predict that within 20 years
nearly all of Chrisendom will bow down to the homo’s

I predict that Satan will weave His “Spirit of the Age”
to confuse and thwart God's Children,

That God will respond with another Miracle and Message
that we cannot predict or understand in advance.

As it has in the Past, many times

Live in Peace, Live in Victory
Know that there is also Love in this World
Know from Whom ALL Love Comes

52 posted on 02/13/2013 6:13:45 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: spirited irish

“It is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and suppose that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did... Here then, is eternal life – to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priest to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one. . . . (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345-47
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and we are expected to agree that the early Mormons drank the Koolade Joey Smith was pouring out...

the guys werent there because of the paganism of Smith...

They were there for the girls and the chance at institutional piracy.....

Smith was Bluebeard not Buddah...

The girls ???

Well many were there because they fell for a pretty line...

If they had been asked whether they wanted to leave England and go to Nauvoo or the Utah territory to be an extra “wife” to the Mormon “missionary” who was pressing them, and not his beloved legal wife, their fathers would have shot the trash mouth and not sent their innocent daughters off with lustful wolves...

Polygamy was not only illegal in both the US and England, it was also anathema to Christianity...

God said “Thou shalt not commit adultery” but to the Mormon males that was just one more commandment in the Christian Bible to disobay and mock...

few Mormon women accepted the evils of polygamy, it was so unnatural and painful emotionally and psychologically...it was distructive but the Mormon women were bullied and forced into a life of horror and “sacred loneliness”

God never intended for his daughters to be abused by such an unGodly system but the women in Mormonism were so outnumbered by the Mormon males that they were prisoners by group think under the control of of Joey Smith and before the theocratic dictatorship of Briggie Young, and prisoners indeed once BY got them into the Salt Lake Valley..

Will the Mormons embrace homosexuality ???

Of course...

Its the most direct path back to their roots...polygamy..AKA bigamy..

Its been nearly 70 years since the Mormons had an openly polygamous “prophet and president” ...

Heber Grant the last one living in polygamy died in 1945 still “married” at that time to one of his several extra women ..

Polygamy is called “living the principle” by Mormons...

Joey Smith claimed that only Mormon males who had extra women went to the Mormon afterlife as “gods”

Mormonism at its beginnings was based around illict sex and the filth of polygamy and not the Righteousness of God and His Commandments...


53 posted on 02/13/2013 6:13:55 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: wolfman23601
Would love to know from LDS why they think homosexuality is ok, but polygamy is wrong when their book says expressly the opposite.

Perhaps some words from MORMON, Inc. will shed some light upon your questioning...


 
 
 
OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 




President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.







 

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place
if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.
(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)
 
 
 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.
 
(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)
 

 
 
 
 
What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???
 
compared to...
 
 
 
 
Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 
 
or compared to...
 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.
 


 
So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!
 
Well; it DID last about 47 years!
 



 
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 


54 posted on 02/13/2013 6:16:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Rebel_Ace
I think that concept is embedded in some old document this country used to pay attention to.

There isn't a darn thing in the founding documents that implies evangelism should not be done.

Here’s a radical idea: Pick a church YOU like, and go there.


In order to 'pick' it is important to know what they teach. It is also important so you know what your neighbors believe. I thought the article was a nicely researched and detailed.
55 posted on 02/13/2013 6:16:42 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: PapaBear3625; Utah Binger
Mormons are not generally characterized as promoters of socialism.

Oh?

United Order

56 posted on 02/13/2013 6:17:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CatherineofAragon
And I can think of at least one Mormon who promoted socialism. He ran for prez last fall.

And I would oppose him on the basis of his being a socialist (or at least a RINO), rather than his being a Mormon. When a religion is predominantly about suppressing personal freedom (like Islam, Scientology, or a few others), then I will oppose that religion. When it's just about a few individuals who happen to be Lefties, then I will oppose those individuals.

57 posted on 02/13/2013 6:17:32 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Conservatism is not advanced nor benefited by in-fighting among conservatives on the basis of religion.


Christianity is not advanced nor benefited by in-fighting among conservatives on the basis of politics.

58 posted on 02/13/2013 6:18:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625
I may find myself corrected, but I don't think Jim wants it to be reduced to a name-calling religious forum, where Evangelicals bash Mormons and Catholics, others bash Jews, etc.

I'm sure you will be!

59 posted on 02/13/2013 6:18:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Fergit the wife - what ‘bout them thar MOTHERS-in-law???


60 posted on 02/13/2013 6:19:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fattigermaster
Mormons also state that Jesus Christ came to Earth three times and each time His message was unsuccessful, whereas Joseph Smith succeeded where Jesus Christ failed.



 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

61 posted on 02/13/2013 6:20:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CatherineofAragon

“But the Mormon threads are part of the Religion forum. If you can’t call out a false doctrine there, where CAN you do it?”

They don’t believe it is false doctrine. Their religion, like yours, requires some leaps of faith. Not sure what your religion is, but the entire Evangelical movement is based on the leap of faith that God wrote the Bible through intervention with humans and the Bible, written in different times by different human beings in its multiple translations over time, which passages were chosen by a counsel of humans at Nicea under the Pope and the Roman Empirer Constantine amond thousands of scriptures that were not chosen to be a part of the Bible, and were designed by God to be taken literally as put on paper in the King James version. The entire Evangelical movement requires the faith that God himself pulled all those puppet strings and completely takes out the human element. I don’t know much about Mormon theology, but I assume it also requires such leaps of faith. Just because you or I say it is false doctrine isn’t going to win any arguments, discussions, or debates.


62 posted on 02/13/2013 6:21:15 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: fattigermaster
When you become a "god", it is with Joseph Smith sitting at the judgement seat with Jesus as a subordinate at his right hand.


A GOD, you say???


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


63 posted on 02/13/2013 6:22:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22
You nailed it. The article has substance and big words, the poster didn’t even read it.

I read the whole article and it was not a "Mormon bashing thread" at all. Just happens that a belief system that far preceded Joseph Smith, paganism, was plagiarized by J.S. as almost all of his ideas were, whether word for word from the K.J.V. with King James era language and all or from earlier and non Christian thinkers.

I've come to believe that Smith never entertained an original thought and simply picked from this and that, anything that tickled his fancy at the moment and did it ever tickle his "fancy" when he thought to take whatever opposite sex, young or old, married to another or not, for his very own. Even that wasn't original, as every old horn dog in history has wanted to do the same. Sadaam Hussein's son comes to mind as a fairly recent example. Money and power allows that sort of thing to happen but as Husseian's son and J.S. both found out, decadence comes with a price tag.

64 posted on 02/13/2013 6:23:08 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Then precisely how is your comment referencing Southern Baptists relevant?

LOOK!!!Over THERE!!!

Or...

"Waste your time trying to defend a vague accusation."

65 posted on 02/13/2013 6:23:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wolfman23601
In a state with freedom of religion, in which we all want to retain freedom of religion, infighting among the religions serves no positive purpose.

The HELL it doesn't!

Christians are COMMANDED to point out, rebuke, expose and root out false teachings.

Hasn't the Iron Maiden & the Rack taught you ANYTHING?

66 posted on 02/13/2013 6:26:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat

No, no more than liberals’ claims of morality being relative.

Truth is truth. And false religions are just that.


67 posted on 02/13/2013 6:26:25 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Shouldn’t people be steered away from false religions, if possible?

Spirited: You’ve gone to the heart of the matter. As there really is life after death of the body, then what we believe about eternity is of utmost importance.

As Mormonism has been shown to have no answer to the origin of life, it follows that it cannot account for the existence of its’ man-god. So at its most fundamental level, Mormonism is a lie. And as with all nature systems down through history, it’s through the dumb-lips of this non-existing man-god (invented idol)that the Mormon hierarchy speaks, commanding believers to submit to an onerous system of pseudo-morality and good works in hope of achieving godhood upon death of their bodies.

Mormonism cannot account for either life or soul/spirit, so it logically follows that it really cannot account for its’ promise of godhood after death. Therefore we ought to earnestly expose this false religion and steer souls away from it.


68 posted on 02/13/2013 6:26:52 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: Hoodat
Wouldn't that depend on whose definition of Christianity you are using?

No.

It's like same sex 'marriage'.

That animal does NOT exist and will NEVER exist; no matter HOW many times it is repeated.

69 posted on 02/13/2013 6:27:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625

That’s all fine. But it still has to be okay to point out false doctrine in the Religion forum.


70 posted on 02/13/2013 6:27:52 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: fattigermaster
Mormons also state that Jesus Christ came to Earth three times and each time His message was unsuccessful

Gonna have to ask for references for that one.

71 posted on 02/13/2013 6:27:59 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: Elsie

LOL


72 posted on 02/13/2013 6:28:40 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: spirited irish

Bump for later intrigue


73 posted on 02/13/2013 6:28:53 AM PST by PeteePie (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: PapaBear3625
When a religion is predominantly about suppressing personal freedom...


The Rules

  1. Learn and obey all missionary rules.
  2. Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
  3. Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
  4. Don't debate or argue.
  5. Center your mind on your mission.
  6. Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
  7. Cut your hair regularly.
  8. Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
  9. Be neat and clean.
  10. Bathe frequently.
  11. Use deodorant.
  12. Polish your shoes.
  13. Iron your shirt and business suit.
  14. Arise at 6:30 A.M.
  15. Study for 2 hours every morning.
  16. Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
  17. Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
  18. Exercise regularly.
  19. Write in your journal regularly.
  20. Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
  21. Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
  22. Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
  23. Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
  24. Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
  25. Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
  26. Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
  27. End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
  28. Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
  29. Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
  30. Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
  31. Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
  32. Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
  33. Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
  34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
  35. Stay with your companion during all activities.
  36. Do not go on road trips.
  37. Do not leave your assigned area without permission
  38. Do not watch television.
  39. Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
  40. Do not listen to the radio.
  41. Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
  42. Do not participate in musical groups.
  43. Do not participate in athletic teams.
  44. Do not sponsor athletic teams.
  45. Do not engage in contact sports.
  46. Do not engage in water sports.
  47. Do not engage in winter sports.
  48. Do not engage in motorcycling.
  49. Do not engage in horseback riding.
  50. Do not engage in mountain climbing.
  51. Do not embark on a private boat.
  52. Do not embark in a private airplane.
  53. Do not handle firearms.
  54. Do not handle explosives.
  55. Do not swim.
  56. Do not play full court basketball.
  57. Do not play basketball in leagues.
  58. Do not play basketball in tournaments.
  59. You may play half-court basketball.
  60. Never be alone.
  61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
  62. Be loyal to your companion.
  63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
  64. Pray with your companion every day.
  65. Study with your companion every day.
  66. Plan your work with your companion every day.
  67. Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
  68. Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
  69. Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
  70. Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
  71. Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
  72. Do not arise before your companion.
  73. Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
  74. Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
  75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
  76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
  77. Do not flirt.
  78. Do not date.
  79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
  80. Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
  81. Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
  82. Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
  83. Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
  84. Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
  85. Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
  86. Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
  87. Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
  88. Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
  89. Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
  90. Do not telephone parents
  91. Do not telephone relatives.
  92. Do not telephone friends.
  93. Do not telephone girlfriends.
  94. Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
  95. Take problems and questions to your mission president.
  96. Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
  97. Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
  98. Obey all mission rules.
  99. Obey the laws of the land.
  100. Do not get involved in politics.
  101. Do not get involved in commercial activities.
  102. Do not give any information about the area.
  103. Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
  104. Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
  105. Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
  106. Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
  107. Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
  108. Be courteous.
  109. Provide community service.
  110. Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
  111. Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
  112. Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
  113. Your mission president must approve your housing.
  114. Keep your housing unit clean.
  115. Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
  116. Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
  117. Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
  118. You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
  119. Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
  120. Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
  121. Maintain your health.
  122. Eat a healthy diet.
  123. Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
  124. Follow the approved exercise program.
  125. Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
  126. Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
  127. Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
  128. Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
  129. Be immunized.
  130. Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
  131. Budget your money carefully.
  132. Keep a record of what you spend.
  133. Do not spend more than your companion.
  134. Do not loan money.
  135. Do not borrow money.
  136. Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
  137. Pay your bills before leaving an area.
  138. Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
  139. Do not waste money on souvenirs.
  140. Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
  141. Be a frugal photographer.
  142. Do not accumulate excess baggage.
  143. Obey custom laws and regulations.
  144. Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
  145. Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
  146. Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
  147. Do not drive without a license.
  148. Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
  149. Do not drive members’ cars.
  150. Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
  151. Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
  152. Use cars only on approved mission business.
  153. Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
  154. Be conscious of safety at all times.
  155. Drive defensively.
  156. Wear your seat belt.
  157. Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
  158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
  159. Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
  160. Know bicycle safety rules.
  161. Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
  162. Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
  163. Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
  164. Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
  165. Go directly to your new area when transferred.
  166. Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
  167. Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

74 posted on 02/13/2013 6:29:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Jim Robinson

I forgot to ping you to #37


75 posted on 02/13/2013 6:31:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fattigermaster

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Jonestown, 1978


76 posted on 02/13/2013 6:31:17 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie
...Joseph Smith succeeded where Jesus Christ failed.


 
 

JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....


77 posted on 02/13/2013 6:32:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625

Mormons are not generally characterized as promoters of socialism.
_________________________________________

Unless you know about the Mormon system of “united order”


78 posted on 02/13/2013 6:34:09 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: wolfman23601
Would love to know from LDS why they think homosexuality is ok, but polygamy is wrong when their book says expressly the opposite

That book you speak of is subject to editing and updating at any given time at the discretion of the current "prophet".

79 posted on 02/13/2013 6:34:18 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: wolfman23601
They don’t believe it is false doctrine.

Likewise, Liberals think THEY are right; but we do NOT let that fact slow us down in pointing out their idiotic schemes.


Just because you or I say it is false doctrine isn’t going to win any arguments, discussions, or debates.

You are ABSOLUTELY right!

And that is WHY we actually show the differences between what MORMONism teaches and what the BIBLE teaches.

Then most folks will have data upon which to form an opinion as the validity of one or the other.

80 posted on 02/13/2013 6:35:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CatherineofAragon
Truth is truth. And false religions are just that.

And who gets to be the arbiter of what constitutes a false religion?

81 posted on 02/13/2013 6:36:06 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: T. P. Pole

1. Born in BETHLEHEM (not Jerusalem)
2. Appeared to them Lamanites and Nephites
3. Appeared to Joseph in the woods


82 posted on 02/13/2013 6:37:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Graybeard58

Thanks, I didn’t know that.


83 posted on 02/13/2013 6:39:18 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: PapaBear3625
On the FR home page, FR is characterized as "Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web". I may find myself corrected, but I don't think Jim wants it to be reduced to a name-calling religious forum, where Evangelicals bash Mormons and Catholics, others bash Jews, etc.

J.R. has frequently expressed his opinion of mormonism. Surely someone will come up with the quote(s) soon. Here's a hint - it isn't exactly positive.

84 posted on 02/13/2013 6:39:20 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Elsie
Christianity is not advanced nor benefited by in-fighting among conservatives on the basis of politics.

FR is proclaimed as primarily being a conservative site, rather than a Southern Baptist Protestant site.

85 posted on 02/13/2013 6:40:12 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Graybeard58
Say LIVING prophet when you think of ME!


86 posted on 02/13/2013 6:40:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat
And who gets to be the arbiter of what constitutes a false religion?

Once again, I point to your tagline.

If YOU keep referencing that book; then I guess we should use IT's definition; right?

Exodus 20:3

87 posted on 02/13/2013 6:43:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wolfman23601

Puppet strings? I don’t know about any of those. But the Bible is a historical document, as well as being the inspired Word of God. Archaeology supports the Biblical record. And if you want to discount the NT writings, you’re going to have to discount the writings of Homer, Aristotle, and Plato, because NT documents are much more numerous, better-preserved, and consistent (almost 100%) than any other ancient writing.

On the other hand, there is no evidence to support the claims of Mormonism...absolutely no historical nor archaelogical proof. In fact, Joseph Smith is known to have made “prophecies” that never came true, and the Bible says that is the mark of a false prophet.


88 posted on 02/13/2013 6:43:55 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Rebel_Ace

“I think that concept is embedded in some old document this country used to pay attention to.”

There’s an even older document that this country used to pay even more attention to, which commands us to denounce cults like Mormonism.


89 posted on 02/13/2013 6:44:09 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: CatherineofAragon

The ones who cry “anti-Mormon bigotry” are weak-minded folks who are infected with political correctness. They can’t fathom that they have adopted the tactics of the left, even when it is pointed out to them.


90 posted on 02/13/2013 6:46:24 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Hoodat

“I never see that philosophy applied to Southern Baptists on this board. Only Mormons. Why is that?”

Maybe because you are too lazy to post articles criticizing their beliefs?


91 posted on 02/13/2013 6:48:32 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Hoodat
"And who gets to be the arbiter of what constitutes a false religion?"

If it contradicts Scripture, it's false.

Teaching that God was a man, that He impregnated Mary, and that men become gods after death is clearly contradictory. No Christian denomination even comes close to teaching such things.

Why does it bug you to see this pointed out?

92 posted on 02/13/2013 6:53:51 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Elsie
So when a religion loses sight of the concept that there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus, then that religion becomes a false one? Or when a religion discourages people from praying in tongues, that religion becomes a false one? Or is this where your double-standard kicks in.

btw, in reference to Exodus 20:3, you will find members of every religion who put money, security, relationships, ambition, Mormon-bashing, etc. ahead of God.

93 posted on 02/13/2013 6:54:02 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Boogieman

BINGO


94 posted on 02/13/2013 6:54:11 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: AppyPappy
Re: Mormons are criticized because they knock on your door - that is actually very insightful. I agree with you.

I think, however, that your example might not quite be accurate. I think what we see happening here is a group that feels that their favorite color is red, while you are certain that the best color is really blue. In fact, you have documentation to prove it (even though this documentation seems to allow various hues of blue, since you have many friends that prefer a different shade of blue, and you have no problems with them).

And you want to warn your neighbors about this group and their claims. Fair enough.

But, what is the best way to warn your neighbor? I trust you do not run over to their front yard and plant several dozens signs in the yard, all with various stream-of-conciseness screeds in multiple fonts, colors, and formatting, none of which really seem to apply to the conversation at hand.

And then, upon seeing anyone in a white shirt, or riding a bicycle anywhere within a five mile radius of you neighborhood plant the same signs again, on every yard, with the only variance being the order that you plant them.

And then gather on the corner with your fellow warners, congratulating each other on how you have been so successful in keeping the neighborhood clean from the red guys.

Nope, pretty sure that is not the way to warn your neighbors. In fact, it will probably piss them off more than those guys who knocked on their door telling them about the color red, and they just politely said no thanks and shut the door.

I think this behavior is what causes the various claims of Mormon bashing, even from non-Mormons.

The certainly must be a better, more productive way to warn your neighbors.

95 posted on 02/13/2013 6:54:29 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: PapaBear3625

“As far as I’m concerned, if somebody is engaged in opposing socialism and Islamism, then he is my brother, without regard for his religious beliefs (or lack thereof).”

He’s your brother, whether or not he is fighting socialism and Islamism, and that is exactly why we don’t hold our tongues when we see our brothers falling for false cult religions. If we kept quiet, it would be doing a disservice to them.


96 posted on 02/13/2013 6:55:43 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: T. P. Pole
Gonna have to ask for references for that one.

Once upon a time that would have sent me hunting, searching, cutting and pasting for people who never gave a damn enough about the issue to do it for themselves.

I was born into the cult and I've done my time. Do your own research.

97 posted on 02/13/2013 6:57:24 AM PST by fattigermaster (When tigers hunt, the jackals profit...when tigers sleep, the jackals rule.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
If it contradicts Scripture, it's false.

So if a religion fails to treat women equally with men as being one in Christ Jesus, then that religion becomes a false one? Or if a religion discourages people from prophesying or praying in tongues, that religion becomes a false one? Or does your standard only apply to Mormons?

98 posted on 02/13/2013 6:57:57 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Hoodat

There were two nuns on their way to town when they ran out of gas on a lonely road. One nun volunteered to walk to the nearest gas station but they had no gas can. In the trunk, however they found an old chamber pot and, as it turned out this was adequate to carry a gallon of gas.

The one nun had carefully made the two mile trek from the gas station and had just begun pouring the gas into the tank when a Methodist minister drove by. He said, well, ladies, I don’t agree with your religion, but I do admire your faith!


99 posted on 02/13/2013 6:59:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Those are indeed three, but I am not so sure they are what the poster was referencing. After all, aren't there many more visits documented in the Old Testiment. And for that matter, what about the visit to Paul?

And, if you are counting the visit to Joseph, then the claim that it was not successful but Joseph was seems to be a stretch, since it would be easy to claim that it was Christ's visit that triggered Joseph's actions.

100 posted on 02/13/2013 7:00:08 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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