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Anglicans Swimming the Tiber, a One-Year Report
Terry Mattingly on Religion ^ | 2/13/13 | Terry Mattingly

Posted on 02/15/2013 5:58:14 AM PST by marshmallow

It’s natural for any employee to want to know just how committed the big boss is to the company’s future and, especially, to the expansion project that includes his job.

So, even though Pope Benedict XVI didn’t make it to America in person, Father Jason Catania still appreciated the message he sent to the former Episcopal priests and others who swam the Tiber to Rome after the pontiff’s controversial “Anglicanorum Coetibus (“groups of Anglicans”) pronouncement in 2009.

“We didn’t just wake up one morning last year and said, ‘Why don’t we join the Catholic Church?’ Many of us have made personal and financial sacrifices over the years to do this,” said Catania, who leads Mount Calvary Church in Baltimore. This was the first American parish that voted to enter one of the new “personal ordinariates” — the equivalent of nationwide dioceses — that would allow Anglicans to retain key elements of their liturgy, music, art and other traditions, such as married priests.

“We were very intentional and took many steps toward Rome on this journey,” he said. “Now we’re starting to see the results of the Vatican’s strategic step toward us.”

Clergy and supporters of the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter gathered at its home base in Houston last week to mark the first anniversary of this outreach effort in America. Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Muller, the new leader of the Vatican’s powerful Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, offered his share of theological commentary on this project, but made it clear that his main message was personal.

(Excerpt) Read more at patheos.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: willconvertforfood

1 posted on 02/15/2013 5:58:18 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow; Alex Murphy

In other news...

Many formerly trapped Catholics are being rescued by Christ and escaping the chains of Rome. As their eyes are being opened, they are realizing that their salvation was granted by grace alone, through faith, and that not of themselves...it was a gift of God, not of works the way they were taught to boast by Rome and its sacerdotalism, indulgences, mariolatry, rosaries, sacraments, rituals, etc.


2 posted on 02/15/2013 6:04:44 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
Matthew 16:18

CC

3 posted on 02/15/2013 6:16:25 AM PST by Celtic Conservative
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To: Dutchboy88

Here we go again.....

We don’t stand a chance against Islam when Christians spend so much time cutting each others’ throats in interdenominational fratricide.


4 posted on 02/15/2013 6:25:05 AM PST by AbnSarge
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To: Dutchboy88
They're lost. Lost on an ocean of subjectivism and individualism where "truth" means whatever they decide it to mean. They're submerged in a sea of confusion where Pastor A and Minister B make it up out of whole cloth, all the while selling the snake oil of presumed "salvation", while ignoring the words of Jesus that it is not those who say "Lord, Lord" who will inherit the kingdom of heaven but those who "do the will of My Father". They're blinded to the importance of the parable of the Good Samaritan and they're taught to believe that the Last Judgment will be a mere formality, when Jesus himself tells us that he will judge us on our works......."for I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in...."

They're taught that all that's necessary is faith when Scripture tells us explicitly that there is something greater than faith and that something is love which shows itself in works, which is precisely why James tells us that faith without works is useless. They're taught to ignore the importance of the cross and suffering when Jesus says definitively that anyone who would be his follower must take up that cross and carry it. A work, in other words.

They swallow latter-day American heresy, Rapture-shmature, the "prosperity gospel", ticket-punch salvation where all that's necessary is to maintain a gut-feeling that "I'm saved" and it's a done deal. Insta-salvation, drive through salvation, fast-food salvation.

Blind fools. Blind, presumptuous fools.

5 posted on 02/15/2013 6:32:23 AM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: marshmallow

The little dutch boy is trying to hold his finger in the dike.


6 posted on 02/15/2013 6:47:47 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: AbnSarge

Yes but Catholicism is right and everything else is either wrong or only partially right. As a result, there will be no compromise of doctrine. The Catholic Church is, after all. the church that Christ founded.


8 posted on 02/15/2013 6:59:47 AM PST by impimp
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To: Dutchboy88
Many formerly trapped Catholics are being rescued by Christ and escaping the chains of Rome....

Absolutely true.
However, any affection, not to mention respect at all left for what after all is, along with the Orthodox tradition, the Mother Church?
King James and King Charles not Protestant enough for you?
The rapprochement between the Lutherans and the Romans not mentioned in your church's bulletin?
Any realization that you would not have your personal Bible at all had it not been preserved by those horrid Greeks and even worse Romans?

sacerdotalism, indulgences, mariolatry, rosaries, sacraments, rituals, etc. Guilty as charged, and so what?

.... salvation was granted by grace alone, through faith, and that not of themselves....

There you go again, agreeing with the Pope.

The Roman Catholic Church ... laden with pagan tradition? Well yeah, that's the Roman part. The Greek Orthodox Church, laden with Hellenistic pagan traditions? Well yeah, that's the Greek part. Authority, Tradition, Hierarchy, no religion ... even the various Protestant sects .... can exist without some of those elements in greater or lesser degree. Think Circus (another pagan concept). The tents and costumes may differ, but the elephant is the same.

Take your stand. Militantly convert as many as you can to your way of worship and praise. However, don't presume that those outside of your particular sect are any more or less Christian, or even saved, than yourself.

9 posted on 02/15/2013 7:14:38 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: marshmallow

Well said!


10 posted on 02/15/2013 7:58:48 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." Thomas Jefferso)
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To: AbnSarge

If Rome taught anything close to the Scriptural definition of the gospel of Christ, there would be no argument. Its pagan traditions disqualify it. Sorry.


11 posted on 02/15/2013 10:43:40 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Celtic Conservative

I Tim. 1:3,4

DB88


12 posted on 02/15/2013 10:45:49 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Kenny Bunk
"Take your stand. Militantly convert as many as you can to your way of worship and praise."

Already taken. And, unlike the attitude of Rome, only God can convert anyone to biblical Christianity. But, continue on with the candles, the chalice, the prada shoes, the pointy hats, and the incense...Rom. 9:16

13 posted on 02/15/2013 10:50:28 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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For almost four years, I’ve been meeting regularly in study with a group that includes many Episcopalians. I respect them a great deal and wish all Anglicans/Episcopalians the very best in whatever they do and whatever they choose.


14 posted on 02/15/2013 10:53:30 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: marshmallow; Alex Murphy
"Blind fools. Blind, presumptuous fools."

Wait just a darn minute here. Isn't name calling supposed to be the domain of those who don't believe that "love" is the answer? Shouldn't you best hurry down to the man in the bathrobe and say a few "I can play dominos better than you can"? or paternosters (or some kind of noster) to get "saved" again?

15 posted on 02/15/2013 10:57:18 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
There's a name for posts like #5, above:

marshmallow fluff

16 posted on 02/15/2013 11:22:25 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: marshmallow
They're lost. Lost on an ocean of subjectivism and individualism where "truth" means whatever they decide it to mean. They're submerged in a sea of confusion where Pastor A and Minister B make it up out of whole cloth, all the while selling the snake oil of presumed "salvation", while ignoring the words of Jesus that it is not those who say "Lord, Lord" who will inherit the kingdom of heaven but those who "do the will of My Father".

Lotta drama here...Say, can you finally tell us then what the will of the Father is??? Or not???

17 posted on 02/15/2013 1:17:03 PM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: Iscool; marshmallow
There really was a lot of drama in that post.

My one question is, and it should be very simple to answer, is: Can you, marshmallow, tell us what we can do to be approved unto the Father?

18 posted on 02/15/2013 1:37:17 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: All

**Many formerly trapped Catholics **

No such thing. This statement is an oxymoron.

Once a Catholic — always a Catholic — and the person will have to answer for their Baptism when they die.

They may not be an active Catholic right now, but they will always be a Catholic.


19 posted on 02/16/2013 9:58:50 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dutchboy88
LOL! Check out what the Catholic Church teaches. This series has just started during Lent -- so look for it.

The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Unity and Trinity of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, God and His Perfections
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Purpose of Man's Existence

20 posted on 02/16/2013 10:01:12 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Adolph Hitler was baptized Catholic. Was he always Catholic?


21 posted on 02/16/2013 10:02:38 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Dutchboy88
But, continue on with the candles, the chalice, the prada shoes, the pointy hats, and the incense...

Ok you got us on the shoes. But otherwise its all shown in an image of Biblical teaching, right down to the carved images that the priest and the whole nation of Israel bowed towards.


22 posted on 02/16/2013 10:08:56 AM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: marshmallow
A Google Map showing the amazing success already with the ordinariate.
23 posted on 02/16/2013 10:11:15 AM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

Thanks for posting that link.


24 posted on 02/16/2013 10:25:50 AM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: wonkowasright

Tragically, all you have demonstrated here is the similarity between the Mosaic Law & Catholicism. And, the Law was “made obsolete” with the resurrection of Jesus. Now there is just one mediator between man & God, the Man-Christ Jesus. Rome ought to have read the Book they claimed to have delivered to the world.


25 posted on 02/16/2013 12:45:07 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: wonkowasright
Ok you got us on the shoes. But otherwise its all shown in an image of Biblical teaching, right down to the carved images that the priest and the whole nation of Israel bowed towards.

Do you know why the priests dressed up...Apparently you don't...

These priests were mediators...The regular folk couldn't get behind the curtain to where the Mercy Seat was...It took special priests to get there...The priests deliverd the sacrifice, the atonement...Just like your holy father and his gaggle of priests, eh???

Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Hey man, the veil is gone...The priest is out of business...The temples are gone...The sacrifices are gone...The priesthood is gone...

Catholic and Orthodox priests are in the wrong Millennium...

If you want to have temple worship with a 'holy father' priest, you're in the wrong religion...And even if you were in the right religion, you'd still be condemned because there's not a Levite among you...

It's all in the book...Hundereds of millions of people know this is true and they found that truth in the 'Book'...The book God gave us and told us to study...

26 posted on 02/16/2013 2:43:58 PM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: Salvation
Once a Catholic — always a Catholic — and the person will have to answer for their Baptism when they die.

They may not be an active Catholic right now, but they will always be a Catholic.

What a fantasy...But you keep telling yourselves and each other that...

The folks who left your religion to find Jesus know better than to believe that nonsense...They just laugh at those absurdities...

27 posted on 02/16/2013 2:48:35 PM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: Dutchboy88

I thought we were supposed to be pagans and now you are saying we are extensions of judaism. Which is kinda the point.


28 posted on 02/16/2013 5:48:53 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright
"I thought we were supposed to be pagans and now you are saying we are extensions of judaism. Which is kinda the point."

You have certainly pointed up the incredible misunderstanding that RC has of the Scriptures. Paul rebukes such views with,

"You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the Law or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish?"

Gal. 3:1ff

May want to check that Book Rome claims to have delivered. The reason you will only hear the 4 Gospel books used in the Homilies is that Rome will not read the "rest of the story". The rest of the story says, "It has never been by law, but it has always been salvation by grace alone, through faith, and (none of) that from yourselves, it is a gift of God, not by works, lest any man boast."

29 posted on 02/17/2013 11:56:56 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

So we only hear the gospels eh ?

Man your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance.


30 posted on 02/17/2013 4:11:04 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright
"So we only hear the gospels eh ?" Man your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance"

And for you, reading lessons for Christmas...

I said at the Homilies, the 4 Gospels are always used.

Crickets

31 posted on 02/18/2013 5:53:32 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

I’ll bring that up to the priest and tell him he’s doing it wrong.


32 posted on 02/18/2013 7:53:15 AM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Dutchboy88

And you said only not always.

I’m done. Some men you just can’t reach.

But I will for you that you will eventually be able to understand.


33 posted on 02/18/2013 7:55:39 AM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: AbnSarge

Amen, brother.


34 posted on 02/18/2013 8:14:25 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: wonkowasright

Well, please tell us, do you hear the epistles during the Homily?

If so, have you read Paul and his admonition to all that there is no longer a “law” with sacerdotalism, absolution, mediation? Are you aware there is no such thing as an indulgence, a rosary, a canonization of men, a pope, or any of the other thousands of pounds of baggage added by Rome?


35 posted on 02/18/2013 8:56:56 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
Well, please tell us, do you hear the epistles during the Homily?

Yes quite often. Who on earth told you otherwise ?

Thats what makes your whole diatribe so amusing. Its truly built upon lack of information.
36 posted on 02/21/2013 4:13:03 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

Then I suggest you listen to them and learn from them. Rome has bought into a false Gospel and its recruitment efforts are no different than those of Isalam. And right now Islam is gaining on Rome.


37 posted on 02/22/2013 6:24:19 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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