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Mormon Reformation [Posting of 95 Theses on Mormon Church Doors]
Mormon Reformation ^ | 2013 | Martin Luther-day Saint

Posted on 02/17/2013 8:03:17 AM PST by Colofornian

In 1517, Martin Luther posted a list of 95 Theses on his church's doors. His actions exposed the corruption of the Catholic Church and started what came to be known as the Protestant Reformation.

Between the hours of 9 PM Saturday, February 16 and 9 AM Sunday, February 17, 2013, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and others will post this list of 95 LDS Theses onto the doors of LDS churches around the world.

Join the event here - If you don't use Facebook, you can still participate!

The purpose of this event is two-fold:

1. Educate the membership on hidden and revised aspects of Church doctrine and history.

2. Influence Church leaders to officially address topics that have long been dodged and dismissed.

Please share this site mormonreformation.blogspot.com and the event http://on.fb.me/SJEBtt on Facebook, Twitter, blogs, and any other social media!

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95 LDS THESES

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TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: 95theses; inman; lds; monomania; mormonism; mormons; reformation
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Is Mormonism ultimately "reformable" -- to make it acceptable to basic standards of truth/revelation and to God Himself?

Well, given that NONE of these theses even addresses the "competition" Mormonism assigns to God (the gods plural that Lds say exist...and that you as a "worthy" temple Mormon can even add to that total)...well, "good luck" with that!

Still, this minute mini-movement apparently believed that it had to start somewhere to begin challenging the Lds Church and its hierarchical authorities.

So...click on the link to digest these 95 Theses...I don't agree with the upshot on all of these...But it's time the Lds Church began addressing questions like these...

And...I recommend bookmarking this for future reference as I have a linked chart that correlates with most of these theses...[see my NEXT comment]

1 posted on 02/17/2013 8:03:30 AM PST by Colofornian
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The purpose of this chart is allow you as a Mormon -- or, if you have Lds who are family and friends -- to take an in-depth investigative discovery of the truth claims that challenges Mormonism. Look over the chart for which theses have caused the most wonder in your life...and just start there...

Key Links to Most of 95 Thesis: Info, Web Sites Articles on Top Issues Leading to Major Mormon Exodus

Thesis # Links MRM.tv; John Ankerberg links; Mormonisminvestigated (UK) youtube linkage, etc.
1. Smith's peepstone usage in Book of Mormon 'translation' Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #15 from this article) + Translation of the Book of Mormon + Book of Mormon translation + A Seer Stone and a Hat - "Translating" the Book of Mormon Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #3)
2. The Missing Mormon archaeology of Book of Mormon civilizations The Scientific Search for Nephite Remains (Mormon Archaeology )
3. Book of Mormon history -- anachonisms Anachronisms Where did the Book of Mormon come from? + Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #4 & #5))#
4. DNA as relating to undergirding Book of Mormon history Lamanite DNA (scroll down) + DNA Science Challenges LDS History DNA vs. the Book of Mormon
5. Note how Book of Mormon names matches up, with slight revisions, with local names where Joseph Smith resided In Search of Book of Mormon Geography + Book of Mormon Geography: Which Theory do you Believe?
6. Early Mormon theology and latter-day fallout from disbelieving Mormon theology/doctrine Resources on Lds theology + "This Is My Doctrine": The Development of Mormon Theology + The Evolution of Mormon Theology + Joseph Smith’s Modalism: Sabellian Sequentialism or Swedenborgian Expansionism?
7 to 11. Losing faith in Book of Mormon as historical account The Book of Mormon + Book of Mormon Difficulties John Ankerberg Show "Book of Mormon is not qualified" + Top 10 Mormon Problems
10. First Nephi has LOTS of issues The Book of Mormon and the King James Version (KJV Translation errors show up in the Book of Mormon)
12 to 14. Book of Abraham really an Egyptian funeral document? The Book of Abraham + The Book of Abraham + Book of Abraham + Death Blow to Mormonism – The Book of Abraham is a Fake? + The Book of Abraham + Min is Not God! The Lost Book of Abraham + Top 10 Mormon Problems
15. Fake Kinderhook Plates which fooled Joseph Smith The Kinderhook Plates Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #7)
17. Joseph Smith marries 14-year-old...and dozens of wives Joseph Smith's 14 year old bride Helen Mar Kimball 100
18. Polyandry: Joseph Smith married the wives of 11 fellow Mormons Joseph Smith Married Other Men's Wives: Would you share your spouse with the Prophet?
18 thru 25. Polygamy--including post-manifesto polygamy/Polyandry -- "polyandry" including Joseph Smith being married to 11 women already married -- who remained married Polygamy [Everything you might want to possibly know about historical Mormon polygamy] + LDS Leaders Still Believe There Will be Polygamy in Heaven The 34 wives of Joseph Smith (and their 11 husbands) + Lifting the Veil of Polygamy + Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #8)
20. Joseph Smith secret 'marriage' to teen Fanny Alger minus authority to do so Alger History and Ancestry: Fanny W. Alger 1817-1879 + Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (See #17, 18 from this article)
21. LDS Leaders' Lies to Cover-Up Historical Polygamy Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #56 thru #59, #64, #71, #72, #76 thru #113, #132 from this article) + LDS Leaders, Their Ethics and Lying for the Lord
22. Joseph Smith lied to his original wife See # 22, 24, 29, 30, 39, 40 etc. from this list: Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read]
23. Polygamy: How it went from 'everlasting' to 'embarrassing' Great Moments in Mormon History
24. Post-manifesto Mormon polygamy Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #56 through #59, #76 thru #113, and #125 from this article) + see Solemn Covenant: THE MORMON POLYGAMOUS PASSAGE -- see appendix list of about 260 plural marriages solemnized between 1890-1910
25. Lds 'scriptures' inconsistent with each other The Book of Mormon vs Mormonism
28. Joseph Smith, post 'first vision,' tries to join Methodist church Joseph Smith Tries to Join the Methodists
29. Multiple/conflicting versions of Joseph Smith's 'First Visions' Joseph Smith's First Vision: Examining the evidence related to Joseph Smith’s claim to have seen the Father and the Son + The First Vision + First Vision plagiarized Heart of the Matter: First Vision II
30. Why lengthy lag time of announcing 'First Vision'? (Authenticity or credibility of 'priesthood restoration'/Is Lds church 'One True Church?') Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #1 from this article) + Priesthood Restoration + The Great Apostasy + Did Brigham Young teach that Christians are ignorant people? Those Abominable Creeds +
31. Smith's history of treasure-digging Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #11 from this article) + Joseph Smith and Money-Digging + See post #15
32. Joseph Smith repeatedly claimed angel 'Nephi' -- Not 'Moroni' was 'Angel' that visited him Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #5 from this article)
33. Gold plates difficult for Joseph Smith to move How Heavy Were Those Gold Plates?
34. Loss of credibility of so-called 'Book of Mormon witnesses' Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #14 from this article) + The Witnesses + Book of Mormon witnesses Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #9)
36. No early mention of Melchizedek priesthood in Mormon church Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #10 from this article)
38. Joseph Smith wouldn't have been able to pass a 'Word of Wisdom' interview Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #6 from this article)
43. Masonic influences in temple ceremony Masonic Influence in the Endowment Ceremony + Masonry/Temple Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #10) + Sandra Tanner on Mormon Temples
45 & 46. Lds temple ceremony changes: Why change something 'direct from Mormon god?' Temple Ritual Changed...Again + Only The Latest In A Long Line: Temple Ceremony Changes Through History + Why the temple ceremony was changed in 1990 - LDS-Mormon + Why the need for secret death oaths in the LDS Temple Endowment Ceremony? [Secretive Mormon church] Sandra Tanner on Mormon Temples + Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #10)
48. Lds church making Jews into 'Mormons' post-death as their 'saviors?' Are Mormon people LITERAL saviors of dead Jews, others? (The OTHER World Series: Vanity)
50. Joseph Smith shenanigans re: Nauvoo Expositor Nauvoo City Council’s minutes of 1840s provide chaos, contention and lies [Lds' Smith Shenanigans] + Unparralled Outrage at Nauvoo + The Martyrdom: The Prophet Seals His Testimony with His Blood [168th anniversary of Lds censorship]
51. Joseph Smith died in a gun battle PALMER'S ALMANAC: Mormon prophet Joseph Smith met with violent end + The Nauvoo Expositor Affair [Death of Mormon Joseph Smith]
53. Mormon cosmology? Mormon Science and Space Doctrines [Kolobian cosmology]
56. Lds prophet prophecies that failed to pass (Losing faith in Joseph Smith) The Prophecies of Joseph Smith + this earlier 2003 FR posted piece: Failed prophecies of Joseph Smith + Joseph Smith Jesus Christ/Joseph Smith +The Prophecies of Joseph Smith + First steps into a New Life
57. Brigham Young's "Adam" = Mormon god teaching over 20 years Adam God doctrine BYU Professor Admits Adam-God Taught By Brigham Young
58 to 61. Losing confidence in Lds general authorities Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] + An American Fraud: One Lawyer's Case Against Mormonism + Resources on Lds theology + How Well Do You Know Mormon Church Leaders of the Past? + Can Mormons Trust Their Prophets?
62. Lack of Mormon leader discernment when meeting with con artist/ murderer-to-be Mark Hofmann scandal Film in the works about Hinckley and the Mark Hofmann Episode Mormon Stories Podcast: The Mormon Forgery Bombings – The Complex Legacy of Mark Hofmann 25 Years Later
65. Do official Mormon sources exist? What about the Journal of Discourses? Do “Official” Mormon Sources Exist?
66. Church history cover-up by Lds leaders Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #7, #129)
67. Studying Mormon church history leading to disbelief -- therefore church leaders pre-empt scope of much Lds historical scholarship Historical issues + Interesting Looks at Mormon History The Early Years of Mormonism
69. Lds church placing illegal aliens in leadership positions 2 LDS branch presidents in Utah deported to Guatemala, El Salvador
72. Mormon 'testimonial' manipulation Ten Lies I Told as a Mormon Missionary
73. Mormon 'prophet' Hinckley covered up Mormon teaching of becoming gods Mormon Profits and Lying
74. Blood atonement: How Jesus' blood is anemic per Mormonism Blood Atonement What is Mormon Doctrin of "blood atonement"?
76. Mountain Meadows Massacre: First 9/11 terrorist act in USA Mountain Meadows Massacre:“MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE HORROR CONTINUES 150 YEARS LATER” + Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #133-134) Mountain Meadow Massacre
78 to 81. Mormon Racism: Exclusion of blacks from Priesthood into 1978 Blacks and the priesthood + Racism + Racial Statements in LDS Scriptures + See Bott file & links >Racism and Mormonism + Top 10 Mormon Problems
83. Lds stances re: women Great Moments in Mormon History + Making Mormon 'Spirit' Babies [Ecumenic]
87. Lack of Lds church financial transparency -- even to its own members/leaders Mormon church earns $7 billion a year from tithing, analysis indicates
89. Supposedly 'lay clergy' Mission Presidents receive 'sweet' 'benefits' deal Unpaid Mormon leaders get pretty sweet deal
94. Relying upon emotional sentiments? (A 'testimony') Quick Responses to the 10 Most Common LDS Questions (See #7)

2 posted on 02/17/2013 8:05:09 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

BTTT


3 posted on 02/17/2013 8:07:01 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

Awwww! Come on now! If you’re gonna refute them, at least have the courtesy to refute ALL 95!....I see multiple instances where you skipped some and then didn’t even get to #95....we can’t have this if we’re gonna do a complete Mormon-hating job, excuse me, MormonISM-hating job.


4 posted on 02/17/2013 8:24:11 AM PST by Gaffer
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and why I should give a damn???


5 posted on 02/17/2013 8:25:03 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: Colofornian

THESES for Jesus


6 posted on 02/17/2013 8:28:09 AM PST by conserv8
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To: Gaffer

Don’t you realize that the Mormons, excuse me, I mean, Mormonism has come to sap our precious bodily fluids?


7 posted on 02/17/2013 8:30:34 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Yes. I live in daily fear of Mormons, er...Mormonism....


8 posted on 02/17/2013 8:32:08 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

They’re, oops, Mormonism is sneaky. The missionary that came to my door was one of the most attractive girls I’d seen in a while.


9 posted on 02/17/2013 8:40:48 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Colofornian

No religion stands up to scrutiny, but in the final analysis such scrutiny doesn’t matter, because it is trying to overcome faith.

Telling Mormons to stop being Mormons because you don’t believe in their religion is more your problem than it is theirs.


10 posted on 02/17/2013 8:42:31 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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Awwww! Come on now! If you’re gonna refute them, at least have the courtesy to refute ALL 95!....I see multiple instances where you skipped some and then didn’t even get to #95....we can’t have this if we’re gonna do a complete Mormon-hating job, excuse me, MormonISM-hating job.

Gaffer, I guess you don't understand this thread.

Why would I want to "refute" these 95 theses when I agree with the overwhelming majority of these as produced by its originator?

Since I don't agree with all of them, it's not my responsibility to further document concerns as delineated within all 95 of these...

Beyond that, some of these "these" 95 theses are concerns I haven't even heard of before...so why would I have further documentation of them? [Ludicrous comment by you on that]

Advisement to you: Please read the articles and posts with greater clarity before commenting upon them...

11 posted on 02/17/2013 8:49:02 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that the comment was made in jest.


12 posted on 02/17/2013 8:50:34 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Colofornian

So will your operatives be ‘nailing’ these to doors like Luther?


13 posted on 02/17/2013 8:51:04 AM PST by mnehring
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; Colofornian

EXACTLY.

Colofornian. You need to ‘get a life’


14 posted on 02/17/2013 8:52:44 AM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Colofornian

place mark


15 posted on 02/17/2013 9:03:05 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: mnehring
So will your operatives be ‘nailing’ these to doors like Luther?

#1...They are not "my" operatives.

#2...per the originator of these (see Anybody gearing up for the Mormon Reformation/95 Theses Post this weekend?) apparently some Lds church doors did have these posted upon.

How many? (Who knows)

16 posted on 02/17/2013 9:05:06 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

This is great information - thanks.


17 posted on 02/17/2013 9:07:04 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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Just posted: How to Stay in the LDS Church After a Major Trial of Faith [Internal Mormon critic]

Main points of that post:

It shows how some Mormon critic-reformationists -- like John Dehlin -- try to straddle the fence of both being HEAVILY critical of the Mormon church...all while staying in it!

What makes the Lds religion "unique" is that it doesn't claim to be just another sect...

It claims that the Christian faith went 100% AWOL...
...Claims THEY alone are the "only true church on the face of the earth" (D&C 1:30)...
...that this was the ONLY reason why God chose a teen who was either 14 or 16 yo...
...depending upon which version of Smith's much-later penned "First Vision" he wrote...
...and that this was an entirely NEW jumpstart -- a "restoration" if you will...of the "Christian" faith...

IOW...Mormonism is 100% dependent upon the complete "spiritual death" of Christians and the Christian church.

No apostasy. No restoration. No need for Mormonism.

Entirely all superflous!

18 posted on 02/17/2013 9:11:18 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

thanks for posting. some of us live in the USA where there is no Mormon Church around (Upper Peninsula of Michigan). There is a church of latter day saints reorganized in the eastern UP. Thanks again. the mormon church is corrupt and is a false religion that is leading many into hell. The Bible has passages regarding false teachings - genealogies being one whereby the church believers take the relatives history and claim them as Mormon converts - thus in turn they become a higher God.

There is only one God - God. There are not many Gods.


19 posted on 02/17/2013 9:12:42 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Colofornian

Well, if they did, whoever’s operatives they were would probably be advised to do the Christian thing and go back today and repair any damage they may have caused. The actions taken are more of a witness than any paper nailed to doors.

This will help.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Home-Improvement-General-688/repairing-nail-hole-metal.htm

Actions are far more important of a witness than words. Your actions testify to who has sent you.


20 posted on 02/17/2013 9:16:29 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Gaffer; All

I’m more concerned about Radical Muslims than Mormons..


21 posted on 02/17/2013 9:19:40 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To all the complaining posters...this is the Religion Forum.

Personal attacks are out of line.

22 posted on 02/17/2013 9:19:40 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: mnehring
Well, if they did, whoever’s operatives they were would probably be advised to do the Christian thing and go back today and repair any damage they may have caused.

(Oh, I assumed some -- perhaps even most -- used tape...but nice of you to be all up in arms about tape on doors...)

23 posted on 02/17/2013 9:30:09 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I’m more concerned with continual foolish actions making Christians look like idiots. If they were a positive witness, they wouldn’t need to be ‘sneaking around like ninjas’, ‘hiding from the police’, etc that people are posting on that Facebook event. These are the actions of teenagers TP houses, not being a witness.


24 posted on 02/17/2013 9:36:10 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring; Colofornian
These are the actions of teenagers TP houses, not being a witness.

LOL..tell that to Martin Luther. Or do you even know who Martin Luther was? Probably not.

25 posted on 02/17/2013 9:40:32 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: mnehring; All
Meanwhile in New Jersy: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/02/myjihad-in-new-jersey-muslim-beheads-cuts-off-hands-of-two-coptic-chrstians.html
26 posted on 02/17/2013 9:45:13 AM PST by KevinDavis (Islam is the biggest threat in the world..)
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To: greyfoxx39

At the time of Luther, posting of announcements on church doors was common practice- it was like a community bulletin board. In Wittenberg, where Luther did this, it was the community center and a center of not only a religious institution, but a center of the political control of the church- ie, it was public property.

Now, you are dealing with private property and a third party don’t get to decide what you put on it or trespass at it.

If it wasn’t of questionable legality, why ‘dress and act like a ninja’ and ‘hide from the police’?


27 posted on 02/17/2013 9:47:13 AM PST by mnehring
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To: KevinDavis

Good, now post that in its own thread and ping us. K?


28 posted on 02/17/2013 9:48:08 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Oh, and I guess I should point out that the church that Luther nailed his thesis to the door was a church that he was a priest and teacher and he was posting these in response to an outside party, Johann Tetzel who was selling indulgences. So in essence, he was posting the thesis on property he had authority over. He didn’t go damage someone else’s property


29 posted on 02/17/2013 9:51:19 AM PST by mnehring
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To: greyfoxx39

You mean, like comment #25?


30 posted on 02/17/2013 9:55:32 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: mnehring; Colofornian
it was the community center and a center of not only a religious institution, but a center of the political control of the church- ie, it was public property.

LOL..ever been to Utah? Political control of the state=mormon church.

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The Agenda

The Mormon Church, through its political organization, the Kingdom of God, says John J. Stewart in Joseph Smith the Mormon Prophet, plans on gaining a political stronghold in the U.S. government. The goal is to “bring the United States Government under the rule of the priesthood.” (6)

This is reiterated by John Heinerman and Anson Shupe:

For them the prophecy [of Daniel 2:31-45] says that the Mormon people and the resources of their corporate empire will be the prime movers in a millennial overthrow of the United States government.” (7)

Eventually, their ultimate aim is to create an ecclesiastical, one-world government.” (8)

This means, as Brigham Young stated in the Journal of Discourses, “no more or less than the complete overthrow of the nation, and not only of this nation, but the nations of Europe". (9)

Believing this goal to materialize sooner, Brigham Young declared, according to historian Bancroft, that “he would himself become President of the United States, or dictate who should be President.” (10)

Further, Joseph Smith, as well as all succeeding Presidents of the Church, determined that this new government would be a theocracy, not a democracy.

A theocracy is a form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, with that God’s or deity’s laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical [church] authorities. . . .a system of government by priests claiming a divine commission.

The primary motivation was to prepare the world for Christ’s Second Coming and the millennial reign, and since Mormons believe that it is the only true church that God recognizes, it is imperative when that time comes that Mormon leaders be in charge. But, if their agenda can be achieved before the Millennium by establishing more Mormons in politics and increasing their membership worldwide, so much the better.

The Biblical passage the LDS Church uses to validate their political organization is Daniel 2:31-45, which describes a stone which is to roll through the whole earth and destroy all other governments. Verse 44 is quoted often:

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. (v. 44 KJV)

While the general membership interpret Daniel’s vision as the LDS Church and its theology, Joseph Smith actually taught that the stone referred to the political system, The Kingdom of God.

President John Taylor describes how Mormon leaders expect their world rule:

The priesthood will be the only legitimate ruling power under the whole heavens; for every other power and influence will be subject to it. When the millennium... is introduced all potentates, powers, and authorities-every man, woman, and child will be in subjection to The Kingdom of God; they will be under the power and dominion of the priesthood of God. (11)

Brigham Young said:

We are called the State Legislature [of Utah], but when the time comes, we shall be called The Kingdom of God, political. . . . For the time will come when we will give laws to the nations of the earth. (12)

In more modern times, Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, in Mormon Doctrine, reaffirms the agenda:

During the millennium . . . the church . . . will have the rule and government of the world given to it. (13)

The Political Agenda of the Mormon Church

31 posted on 02/17/2013 10:09:47 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39; Colofornian

To all the complaining posters...this is the Religion Forum.

Personal attacks are out of line.

This is an excellent, well annotated listing of some of the issues surrounding Mormonism. Thanks for posting!

Personal attacks may be out of line ... but when you are unable to answer critics with evidence, you really have little else to rely on.

If I recall my applied psychology courses correctly, this form is of rebuttal is a form of cognitive dissonance reduction. The individual does it in order to convince himself that he is correct. It is therefore a sign that the battle is being won both inside and outside the person himself.

32 posted on 02/17/2013 10:12:15 AM PST by Zakeet (Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage - Mencken)
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To: greyfoxx39

It still isn’t the property of the people who did this, nor is it a public center in the sense of a court house. It is private property.

Are you proud of the people who ‘snuck around like Ninjas’, ‘hid from the police’, and one other comment was hoping he ‘raised a s***storm with them’? Yea, real Christian witness there. How exactly does that attract anyone to the Church?


33 posted on 02/17/2013 10:13:41 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Well, mormonism is not Christianity and “church” is the Body of Christ not a building....so I am not getting your question.


34 posted on 02/17/2013 10:15:26 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

Follow the trail of posts and you’ll understand.
Also read the Facebook event page of the people who participated. This wasn’t an act of Christian witness, this was juvenile and possibly could have bordered on vandalism.

https://www.facebook.com/events/465378110190591/

Tell me from those comments there, that these were the actions of a Christian witness. It would be interesting to see if anyone did actually nail or stable these to doors and it was reported as vandalism. The police would have a field day on that page with everyone admitting to what they did and some even saying they will post photos.


35 posted on 02/17/2013 10:20:18 AM PST by mnehring
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To: svcw

...or to put it another way, what does this resemble more, Christian witness or Paultard antics?


36 posted on 02/17/2013 10:22:07 AM PST by mnehring
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To: KevinDavis
and why I should give a damn???

And yet you do - You're here. Go figure.

37 posted on 02/17/2013 10:40:09 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: mnehring

Well, when Paul preached people rioted and many times he had to flee for his life because he called out false gods and teachings....so yea they really do resemble those actions.


38 posted on 02/17/2013 11:02:24 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: mnehring

Sorry, I read all the posts on your link and found nothing as you describe it.


39 posted on 02/17/2013 11:07:36 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Colofornian; Zakeet

Reformable? LOL

Somebody asked me “What do you think, Binger”?

As I read through all of the responses on Facebook my thoughts began to say “low information voters” and “Occupy Mormondumb”.

Don’t get me wrong, the church does have serious problems that might be solved with a new approach but I personally doubt it. I’m not going back under any circumstances as the halo effect will live on for longer than I have to live.

Now if Marlin Jensen comes to the Freeper picnic and has a beer with me for old times sake, that would be grand. Course he is a Morgbot Liberal so that’s not happening.


40 posted on 02/17/2013 11:36:26 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: svcw
Really, wasn't that hard. (removed names)

S. C. also i was a stealth ninja and just barely made it out of the 2nd meeting house and then a state trooper drove by

J. G. Wore all black, don't want to end up on the local sheriff's wall.

L. L. Close call with police. I acted like I belonged there.

L. L. I went to the a cody Mural Historical church. It was fun. Wore my super sleuthing ninja clothes. ;)

M. C. Boise, Idaho. Cole Rd. (next to the temple, had to wait while parents picked up kids from a youth activity), Northview St. (cop drove by while I was walking between doors), Goddard Rd., Mitchell St. (had to wait while the building lockup guy finished his building walk-thru), North Maple Grove Rd. Also, posted on my facebook timeline, where I will probably get a s***storm of angry Mormons come tomorrow morning.

R. W. Bummer. Under patrol.

I also noticed that several of the participants are supporters and members of the LGBT community who are doing this to take on the church that opposes gay marriage. For example,

D. T. This is ridiculous. Someone is paying tens of thousands of dollars in tuition, only to get suspended from BYU (Brigham Young University) for holding hands with another man.

...and before you go with 'that's it', that is just a couple of minutes of scanning without even getting to the 'load more' at the bottom.

So what kind of witness is that which has to sneak around like a ninja and avoid the police?

41 posted on 02/17/2013 1:11:38 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

No, I wont say that.
I would like to know why homosexuals are so agitated with mormons over homosexual issues as the SLC lds are not that upset with same sex marriage or homosexuals.
And I am very leery that homosexuals would be stealth, they always seem to want everyone know what they are doing and thinking at any given moment.
Well, I really didn’t think these people were all that serious about what they did “in the stealth mode”.
However, I can understand why you might be upset, and as I stated before Paul preached people rioted.
Sometimes people just need to be more forceful when calling out false teachings and prophets.
Others are more calm, we all have our talents.
Remember John the Baptist lost his head, Jesus hugged and whipped people both, Steven was highly compassionate, Peter and Paul caused a lot of trouble.


42 posted on 02/17/2013 1:43:37 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: KevinDavis
I’m more concerned about Radical Muslims than Mormons..

A genuine Christian would be concerned about ALL false religions that condemn a soul to eternal hell. Jesus said to preach the gospel to everyone.

43 posted on 02/17/2013 3:37:35 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: 1rudeboy
The missionary that came to my door was one of the most attractive girls I’d seen in a while.

You might want to get your eyes checked.

44 posted on 02/17/2013 3:48:57 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: 1rudeboy

A Girl? hum?


45 posted on 02/17/2013 4:57:56 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Gaffer
....we can’t have this if we’re gonna do a complete Mormon-hating job, excuse me, MormonISM-hating job.

Ah...

You gots a little bitty complaint so you throw it all out.

Typical MORMON response to those who point out that MORMONism is a HERESY.

46 posted on 02/17/2013 5:59:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: KevinDavis
and why I should give a damn???

Uh...

---because it illustrates how deceived the members of TCOJCOLDS are?

47 posted on 02/17/2013 6:00:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 1rudeboy
Don’t you realize that the Mormons, excuse me, I mean, Mormonism has come to sap our precious bodily fluids?

Why not; since it DOES suck out all evidence of logic in it's victims.

48 posted on 02/17/2013 6:02:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Gaffer
Yes. I live in daily fear of Mormons, er...Mormonism....

The Ute indians of UTAH don't.

49 posted on 02/17/2013 6:02:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Telling Mormons to stop being Mormons because you don’t believe in their religion is more your problem than it is theirs.

ThANk you Ma'am!

We go door to door for a year or more; telling Christians that their religion is bogus.


50 posted on 02/17/2013 6:04:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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