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“This is what we want the next Pope to be like” (theologians paint portrait of successor)
Vatican Insider ^ | February 15, 2013 | GIACOMO GALEAZZI

Posted on 02/17/2013 1:53:02 PM PST by NYer

A document prepared by theologians painting the portrait of Ratzinger’s successor has gathered two thousand signatures. “Nationality is not important, just as long as he doesn’t fall slave to the Curia”

Church reform plan. How should the next Pope be? Theologians have outlined what Benedict XVI’s successor should be like, in a document which has so far been signed by two thousand theologians across the world. Its first signatories were prestigious theologians such as Paul Knitter, Mgr. Calsaldáliga, Hans Küng, Leonardo Boff, Peter Phan and Paul Collins. 

 

The next Pope is being asked to combat the “current stagnation” and counter resistance from sections of the Church hierarchy that are hindering the implementation of the Second Vatican Council. “The papacy’s role needs to be clearly redefined in line with Christ’s intentions. As supreme pastor, unifying figure and the main witness of the faith, the Pope’s contribution to the good of the universal Church is key, theologians write. But his authority should never obscure, diminish or suppress the authentic authority Christ gave directly to all the people of God.”

 

Furthermore, “bishops are vicars of Christ, not the Pope’s vicars. They have direct responsibility for the people and the dioceses and a shared responsibility along with other bishops and the Pope for the universal community of the Catholic faith.” The bishops’ central synod, the documents reads, “should play a more decisive role in planning and guiding the conservation and growth of faith in our complex world.”

 

The Second Vatican Council “called for collegiality and a joint sense of responsibility on all levels. This was not implemented. The various presbyteral and pastoral councils set up during the Council should involve faithful more directly in terms of decisions regarding the formulation of doctrine, the exercise of the pastoral ministry and evangelisation in the context of our century-old society.”

 

“The practice of filling leadership positions in the Church solely with candidates that have a specific mindset, needs to stop. New regulations should be formulated and monitored to ensure that individuals are elected to these posts in a fair, transparent and - as far as possible - democratic manner.”

 

“The Roman Curia is in need of a more radical reform in line with the instructions and the vision set out by the Second Vatican Council. The Curia’s role should be limited to useful administrative and executive tasks.” The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith should be assisted by international commissions of experts chosen independently, on the basis of their professional competency. “The Church should exercise authority in accordance with the standards of openness, responsibility and democracy achieved in modern society. Leadership should be fair and credible, inspired by humility and service, with transparent concern for the people, rather than for rules and discipline. It should be a reflection of Christ who gives us freedom and it should listen to the Spirit of Christ which speaks and acts through each and every one of us.”

 

This is not an exhaustive list of the changes that need to be made. “We are aware of the fact that the implementation of these structural changes need to be outlined in detail, taking into account the possibilities and limitations of current and future circumstances. WE wish to underline, however, that the reforms summarised in this document are urgent and steps should be taken immediately to implement them.” 

 

At the end of the document, Hans Kung stresses that “the nationality of the next Pope is irrelevant.” What matters is that he does not end up becoming a slave to Rome and the Curia. Ratzinger was not from Rome but ended up becoming more Roman that the Romans themselves and the Curia. If a foreign Pope becomes integrated into the Curia system, his origin is of no use.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic

1 posted on 02/17/2013 1:53:04 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Its first signatories were prestigious theologians such as Paul Knitter, Mgr. Calsaldáliga, Hans Küng, Leonardo Boff, Peter Phan and Paul Collins.

The Vatican condemned Hans Kung and Küng, has lost his mandate to teach as a Catholic theologian. Was Theologian Hans Küng Ever Excommunicated?

2 posted on 02/17/2013 1:55:52 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer
The classic joke:

Somebody asked Professor Kung if he wanted to be pope.

"Oh, no, no" he replied.

And why?

"Because then I would no longer be infallible."

3 posted on 02/17/2013 2:08:46 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: NYer

...Hans Kung stresses...

__________________________

We want what God stresses. Kung would give us the opposite...


4 posted on 02/17/2013 2:10:33 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: NYer

And we hear from the other side. I don’t pretend to understand all the things spoken of in the article, but gleaned enough to realize that this faction is opposed to what JPII and Benedict XVI represented.

The good news is that they are outnumbered.


5 posted on 02/17/2013 2:12:49 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come.)
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To: NYer

It’s so touching when non-Catholics think they have a right to run the Catholic Church.


6 posted on 02/17/2013 2:13:51 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Netizen
“The papacy’s role needs to be clearly redefined in line with Christ’s intentions. As supreme pastor, unifying figure and the main witness of the faith, the Pope’s contribution to the good of the universal Church is key, theologians write. But his authority should never obscure, diminish or suppress the authentic authority Christ gave directly to all the people of God.”
7 posted on 02/17/2013 2:17:20 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: NYer

The other three have also been censured in one way or another.

This is nothing but pure agit-prop. It’s a waste of bandwidth.


8 posted on 02/17/2013 2:19:52 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: NYer

“The various presbyteral and pastoral councils set up during the Council should involve faithful more directly in terms of decisions regarding the formulation of doctrine...”

In what regard? Does Kung deny the Petrine primacy?


9 posted on 02/17/2013 2:22:24 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: NYer

Was this the LEFTIST/LIBERAL screed? LOL!


10 posted on 02/17/2013 2:24:58 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

A pretty good rule in all matters is to do the opposite of what Hans Kung wants.


11 posted on 02/17/2013 2:26:13 PM PST by wideawake
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To: NYer

I am against this.


12 posted on 02/17/2013 2:31:20 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I’m not Catholic, but find it fairly amusing that individuals who otherwise mock or denigrate the church suddenly seem to feel that their opinion should be considered - or wanted.


13 posted on 02/17/2013 2:35:39 PM PST by Toirdhealbheach Beucail (Am fear nach gheibh na h-airm 'n am na sith, cha bith iad aige 'nam a chogaidh)
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To: Toirdhealbheach Beucail

Yes, well said.


14 posted on 02/17/2013 2:36:44 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Toirdhealbheach Beucail
I’m not Catholic, but find it fairly amusing that individuals who otherwise mock or denigrate the church suddenly seem to feel that their opinion should be considered - or wanted.

I am Catholic and that's exactly what I feel only with more passion. I want to say they have a h*ll of a nerve.

15 posted on 02/17/2013 2:54:34 PM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: NYer

Boff is at least as much of a mischief maker as Kung, especially in Latin America, where he was a major charter member of the Liberation Theology movement.


16 posted on 02/17/2013 3:46:13 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: Sacajaweau
But his authority should never obscure, diminish or suppress the authentic authority Christ gave directly to all the people of God.”

"Write your own religion. There is no objective Truth: each individual can decide what is 'true' for himself in accordance with his own will."

Or, as Satan put it, "You will not die ... you will be as God, knowing good and evil."

17 posted on 02/17/2013 4:15:50 PM PST by Tax-chick (Oh, what's the point?)
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To: NYer
“This is what we want the next Pope to be like”

Katharine Jefferts Schori

18 posted on 02/17/2013 6:06:44 PM PST by omega4412
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To: NYer
“bishops are vicars of Christ, not the Pope’s vicars. They have direct responsibility for the people and the dioceses and a shared responsibility along with other bishops and the Pope for the universal community of the Catholic faith.” The bishops’ central synod, the documents reads, “should play a more decisive role in planning and guiding the conservation and growth of faith in our complex world.”

The Bishops are bound to teach and pass on the faith of the Church, UNCHANGED. It is not up to the Bishops to change teachings based on what the people might want at any point in time.

Of course with theologians such as Hans Kung, and Leonardo Boff, what can you expect? They decided a long time ago that they didn't want to teach the Faith, unchanged, and they have had their facilities to teach removed.

19 posted on 02/17/2013 6:53:07 PM PST by SuziQ
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That such a letter can exist suggests what dangers face us. Kueng is a madman, a heretic, but he speaks for a sizeable portion of the Church .


20 posted on 02/17/2013 9:46:09 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: omega4412

Indeed. And the way this woman governs has reduced the Episcopal Church to a shadow of what it was just thirty years ago.


21 posted on 02/17/2013 9:55:32 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: NYer

Petition? What? Electing the pope is now a democratic process?

I guess we can expect the silliness to continue until the Holy Spirit has completed His work.


22 posted on 02/18/2013 7:36:46 AM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: RobbyS

That such a letter can exist suggests what dangers face us.

&&&
Excellent point.

The prayer petitioning the help of St. Michael is needed with these demons swirling around.


23 posted on 02/18/2013 7:42:23 AM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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Who will choose the next Pope?

Should Sex-Abuse-Scandal Cardinals Be Allowed to Vote for New Pope?

Feb 21, 2013 1:25 PM EST

As the conclave for new pope nears, Catholics are calling for cardinals embroiled in sex-abuse scandals to abstain from voting.

Can he who has sinned cast a vote for the next pope? Apparently so.  But a growing number of the Vatican’s cardinal electors are being questioned over their knowledge of past sex-abuse scandals, calling into question their ethical right to vote in the next conclave. Cardinal Roger Mahoney

Cardinal Roger Mahoney, right, speaks with other church leaders at a conference in Chicago, Illinois in 2005. (Scott Olson/Getty)

In less than a week, the majority of the 117-strong College of Cardinals is expected to descend upon Rome to prepare for the conclave in which they will elect a replacement for Pope Benedict XVI, who resigned February 11.  But as the Vatican prepares for the pageantry of the occasion, survivors of the church’s sex scandals and everyday Catholics are raising concerns about whether it is appropriate for certain cardinals to be allowed to dictate the church’s future. “In our view, it’s very safe to assume that almost every one of the prelates who'll pick the pope ... have ignored, concealed, or enabled child sex crimes,” Zach Hiner, a spokesman for SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests), tells The Daily Beast.

While many cardinals have been stained by the extensive clergy sex scandals, Archbishop Emeritus of Los Angeles Roger M. Mahony has become a poster priest for the corrupt cardinals of this conclave. Mahony was effectively let go as head of America’s largest diocese in January by his Vatican-endorsed replacement, Archbishop José Gomez, when a California court released 120,000 pages of internal church documents sequestered during investigations of 120 predatory priests in the Los Angeles diocese. The documents show that Mahony was directly involved in moving known pedophiles between parishes in an attempt to conceal their crimes. “I find these files to be brutal and painful reading. The behavior described in these files is terribly sad and evil,” said Gomez in a statement when he fired his predecessor.  More than $600,000 has been paid in lawsuits to victims in the Los Angeles diocese.

This Saturday Mahony will appear in a Los Angeles court to give a deposition in a criminal case involving a Mexican priest who is accused of raping 29 children over just nine months in 1987.

It seems all cardinal will be able to vote.

I wonder how influential the pedophilia enabling cardinals will vote for?

(Click on title to see the whole article)

24 posted on 02/25/2013 1:24:42 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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