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Cardinal......Blames Gay Priests for Abuse Scandals Facing Catholic Church [Turkson]
The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 2/19/13 | Simon Caldwell

Posted on 02/22/2013 11:03:35 AM PST by marshmallow

Cardinal Peter Turkson made the comments to an American journalist

He said similar sex scandals would not happen in African churches

Cardinal Turkson is second favourite to take over as Pope

The African cardinal widely tipped to be the first black pope in modern history faced a firestorm of criticism last night after he laid the blame for clerical sex abuse crises at the feet of gay priests.

Cardinal Peter Turkson, who comes from Ghana, told an American journalist that similar sex scandals would never convulse churches in Africa because the culture was inimical to homosexuality.

‘African traditional systems kind of protect or have protected its population against this tendency,’ he told Christiane Amanpour of CCN.

‘Because in several communities, in several cultures in Africa homosexuality or for that matter any affair between two sexes of the same kind, are not countenanced in our society,’ he continued.

‘So that cultural taboo, that tradition has been there,’ said Cardinal Turkson, 64. ‘It has served to keep it out.’

As the head of a major Vatican department – the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace - Cardinal Turkson is ranked as the 5/2 second favourite to take the papal crown when a Conclave of Cardinals meets next month to elect a successor to Pope Benedict XVI, who announced his abdication last week on the grounds of ill health

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abuse; abusivepriests; africa; african; cardinal; cardinalturkson; catholic; catholicchurch; church; gay; homosexualagenda; homosexualpriests; lavendermafia; peterturkson; pope; priest; priests; scandals; sin; turkson
A statement of the obvious generates big heat.
1 posted on 02/22/2013 11:03:45 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

It used to be the same in western society. The devil has used his time well to undermine societies based around faith in God.

Mel


2 posted on 02/22/2013 11:08:14 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: marshmallow
Cardinal Turkson is ranked as the 5/2 second favourite to take the papal crown when a Conclave of Cardinals meets next month to elect a successor to Pope Benedict XVI, who announced his abdication last week on the grounds of ill health

The press finally got something right.

3 posted on 02/22/2013 11:15:05 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: marshmallow

He may be stating the obvious, but that won’t stop anti-Catholics and bitter ex-Catholics from ripping him over these comments— or even just using the opportunity to rip into the Church in general. Seems to be an obsession with some people.


4 posted on 02/22/2013 11:16:40 AM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: marshmallow

Disagree with his premise. There’s probably just as many gay priests in Africa, but when kids are abused by them, they probably keep their mouths shut for fear of being called gay too (just like happened in this country for many decades). Abuse of children by adults — gay or not — is not new. It’s just that as a society we in the West are no longer willing to sweep it under the rug, and children are encouraged to speak up if someone is being awful to them (in whatever form).


5 posted on 02/22/2013 11:27:44 AM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: fidelis

faced a firestorm of criticism last night after he laid the blame for clerical sex abuse crises at the feet of gay priests.


Who else can you blame except maybe the gay Bishops who helped hide them.


6 posted on 02/22/2013 11:31:46 AM PST by Venturer
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To: melsec
My granddaughter teaches third grade at an international school in Ghana. She has freedoms to really teach the children moral issues as well as the academics. One of her students father is a big wig for all of Africa at the UN. Refuses to raise his family in New York.
7 posted on 02/22/2013 11:38:12 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: marshmallow
This should not come as a shock to anyone who has a desire to know the real issues and reasons surrounding these abuse cases. 98% of the abuse was with adolescent boys (12-17). That's not called pedophilia (a psychiatric disorder in persons 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children), but rather ephebophilia which is the primary or exclusive adult sexual interest in adolescents.

The condition is almost always associated with homosexuality because it is the adult homosexual who has the sexual interest in the adolescent boy. In the case of abuse by priests, it always involves a gay priest.

What's ironic is that this has been known for a long long time. The Vatican issued a directive back in 1961 forbidding the ordination of any man with a homosexual disorder. It existed before and existed after the directive was given, and even today we continue to ordain men with a homosexual disorder.

Deacon Francis

8 posted on 02/22/2013 11:42:21 AM PST by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: marshmallow

It certainly is stating the obvious. My impression is that in the 1960s - 1970s the Catholic Church seminaries became an easy place for homosexuals to ‘hide out’. These folks ‘graduated’ to their offices and preyed on children. I think the Catholic Church was blindsided - but notwithstanding this surprise infestation, their response was slow. Also, in some cases where they sought to cover-up the problem (by transferring known pederasts to unsuspecting parishes), their reaction was criminal.


9 posted on 02/22/2013 11:43:12 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Venturer
Who else can you blame except maybe the gay Bishops who helped hide them.

BINGO!

10 posted on 02/22/2013 11:43:44 AM PST by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: marshmallow
He said similar sex scandals would not happen in African churches

Naw, they'd just burn down the church with the women and children still inside. No witnesses, no crime...

11 posted on 02/22/2013 11:49:15 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: marshmallow

Cardinal Peter Turkson is very perceptive. However, I’m sure that studies show that he’s mistaken.


12 posted on 02/22/2013 11:49:45 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Venturer

Who else can you blame except maybe the gay Bishops who helped hide them.

Well, I think you could blame parents. Especially the parents who sought compensation rather than justice. And justice for some might be as simple as paying the offending “priest” a visit or notifying his superiors or legal authorities of the incident.


13 posted on 02/22/2013 11:59:58 AM PST by Mach9
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To: Mach9

I have always said that if you found a priest who was abusing your child, do not call the diocese, call the sherriff.

And don’t let the diocese talk you out of it.

Lock that pervert up, collar and all.


14 posted on 02/22/2013 12:02:39 PM PST by Venturer
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To: marshmallow

The simple truth makes liberals scream. Homo men in the church have raped a lot of boys. How shocking. Not.


15 posted on 02/22/2013 12:05:30 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: El Cid

As a professor at a Catholic seminary in the 70’s I knew of rampant homosexuality among the seminarians. As a liberal UMC pastor with Unitarian leanings, at the time, I was not dismayed. Today I am disgusted at the lack of moral clarity I experienced well into the 80’s.


16 posted on 02/22/2013 12:20:56 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: marshmallow
The African cardinal widely tipped to be the first black pope in modern history

Pardon my ignorance, but how many black popes have there been?

17 posted on 02/22/2013 12:23:46 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: ThomasMore
I think the 80% figure is more accurate. That correlates with the church's own investigations. but the main point is sound--this was mostly not child sex abuse by pedophiles, this was mostly homosexuals grooming adolescents under their influence.
18 posted on 02/22/2013 1:35:58 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: marshmallow

Well, I guess the media will cross Turkson off its list of allowable Papal candidates now. Maybe he’s not the ecclesiastical Obama they were looking for ... LOL.


19 posted on 02/22/2013 1:51:38 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Cowboy Bob
As far as I can find out, three.
20 posted on 02/22/2013 3:08:14 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: marshmallow

Is he suggesting that because 81% of the victims by male priests were themselves male is somehow connected to the question of whether the perpetrators were homosexual ?


21 posted on 02/22/2013 3:38:44 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: marshmallow

Uh, I thought priests are supposed to be celibate. Therefore, they do not have sex. If they do not have sex, how are they designated as ‘gay’ priests or ‘straight’ priests? Do they fill out a questionnaire that asks: If you had sex who would you prefer? I don’t think so! If they do have sex they should no longer be priests. Am I wrong about this?

What really pisses me off is that it seems that these priests are having more sex than I am!! :)


22 posted on 02/22/2013 3:48:40 PM PST by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: Venturer; Mach9

I’m with you on that. No matter what faith you are the minute it is found out your child has been molested call the police! Members of any clergy are not above the law, esp God’s law.


23 posted on 02/22/2013 3:58:13 PM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: marshmallow

What he is saying, then, is that the church is governed by the surrounding culture and isn’t an agent of change.

The culture made me do it.

Not an impressive display of future pope-hood.


24 posted on 02/22/2013 4:01:28 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: Coldwater Creek

And yet the UN are in a large part encouraging the downfall of morality by promoting all sorts of evil such as homosexuality all over the world. I would be interested to know if the UN big wig sees the irony.

Mel


25 posted on 02/23/2013 12:38:35 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: melsec
"I would be interested to know if the UN big wig sees the irony"

They're prolly too busy thinking.."go to,let us bake bricks"

26 posted on 02/23/2013 12:44:22 AM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: fidelis

Some catholics here bring it on themselves

Like the thread today proclaiming folks who did not follow the Pope were following Satan

In any event this cardinals honesty is refreshing

More candor than heard here over that grand tragedy


27 posted on 02/23/2013 1:14:54 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Rashputin

Really? Interesting. I know that the vast majority were Italian, with a few other nationalities mixed in. I recall there being a few from North Africa, but these were not Black Africans (i.e., sub Saharan)


28 posted on 02/23/2013 1:39:03 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: fidelis

“He may be stating the obvious, but that won’t stop anti-Catholics and bitter ex-Catholics from ripping him over these comments— or even just using the opportunity to rip into the Church in general.”

Really; the media wants the Church to allow deviants into their ranks, only to rip the Church apart when they do what deviants do. It reminds me of the banks being strong-armed by the government to give mortgages to unqualified minorities, then being accused of exploiting unqualified minorities with lending schemes...


29 posted on 02/23/2013 4:36:28 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

“Disagree with his premise. There’s probably just as many gay priests in Africa, but when kids are abused by them, they probably keep their mouths shut for fear of being called gay too (just like happened in this country for many decades).”

I don’t think so, and for the same reason that the number of Hispanic victims in the US scandal was so low: the fathers would have a duty to kill the offender (and they would do it). In much of Africa merely a rumor of homosexuality can lead to someone being beaten or in some cases killed; they know it is not just a violation of God’s Law, but they also blame them for AIDS.

Many of the US victims had no father; chances of that in Africa are smaller as well.


30 posted on 02/23/2013 4:42:54 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Rashputin

They were from the Roman/Vandal kingdoms of North Africa, as black as South African Boers; liberal American Catholics pretend we had black popes to sell the faith to blacks, but I don’t believe we’ve had one yet.

I would like to have one, from one of the African countries where Muslims routinely persecute & kill Christians; they know the real deal, and will lead the Church in the cultural war the current hierarchy (excluding Benedict XVI and a few stalwarts) won’t fight.


31 posted on 02/23/2013 4:47:42 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Venturer

My father’s response would have been more, er, immediate. The “priest” would have had a visit, then trouble talking or eating for weeks.


32 posted on 02/25/2013 5:51:21 AM PST by Mach9
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