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In Defense of the Papacy: 9 Reasons True Christians Follow the Pope
stpeterslist ^ | February 21, 2013 | HHAMBROSE

Posted on 02/22/2013 5:43:18 PM PST by NYer

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To: NYer

The priests in the Vatican do not even follow the pope. So many of them are off in their cross-dressing gay bars. The POPE does not even follow the pope! He quit. I’ll follow Jesus, thank you very much.


41 posted on 02/22/2013 7:05:23 PM PST by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: Ecliptic
I guess you have not read today's Gospel where Christ does name Peter as the head of the Apostles and gives him the Keys of the Kingdom as well as power to bind and unbid sins.

Gospel Mt 16:13-19

When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi
he asked his disciples,
“Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
They replied, “Some say John the Baptist, others Elijah,
still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Simon Peter said in reply,
“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah.
For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
And so I say to you, you are Peter,
and upon this rock I will build my Church,
and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of heaven.
Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven;
and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

42 posted on 02/22/2013 7:07:40 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
10. Because who wouldn't want to follow a guy who gets crowned with a giant gold Carmen Miranda hat?
43 posted on 02/22/2013 7:08:06 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: Sacajaweau
Went to an all girl Catholic High School. I was bold and when they started the one true Church, I stood up for other faiths and Jews. I was actually sent to detrention for my arrogance. A protestant at the prom....don't even think about it.

great post!!! I played devil's advocate all the time, in my Catholic High school and with our "group" at each other's homes...great fun!...the Nuns running things thought that I was GREAT and I did my job well. There never was a time when protestants and others could not be heard. If our arguements were not satisfactory....they win! HOWEVER..our arguements are always right. Christ created ONE true church and it happens to be the Catholic church. There is absolutely no doubt about that!

there was NEVER an arguement that other denominations weren't Christian....just that Catholicism was the ONLY complete Christian religion.

I graduated high school in 1957 (Catholic Memorial High in Waukesha, Wis) and there were indeed non-Catholics at our prom....noone asked the religion of our dates!

44 posted on 02/22/2013 7:10:11 PM PST by terycarl
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To: RoosterRedux
I am surprised someone didn't syncretistically inject The Holy Mother

Disappointed nobody did so you decided to do it yourself.

Troll.

45 posted on 02/22/2013 7:11:13 PM PST by DManA
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To: NYer

Wow, what a telling headline.

The reason for the Reformation summed up in a sentence!


46 posted on 02/22/2013 7:11:53 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: NYer
Good article!

In Defense of the Papacy: 9 Reasons True Christians Follow the Pope
The Four Pillars of the Christian Life
Fragments of Catholic Truth: Yes to Christ, No to the Church?
The Uniqueness of Christianity: 12 Objections Answered
The Church – The Bride of Christ
Catholic Identity Once Again
Essays for Lent: The Church
Woe to the Solitary Man – A Brief Meditation on our Need for the Church
Jesus and His Church Are One
How Old Is Your Church?

47 posted on 02/22/2013 7:14:22 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion


48 posted on 02/22/2013 7:16:29 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: PeevedPatriot
the Most Holy Trinity in union with the saints

And peace be with you also...but doesn't this spread our worship elsewhere, dilute our worship of the Lord.

If our minds and heart are not directed at Him and Him alone...aren't we diluting our worship.

He wants a direct and personal relationship with you...not via intermediaries standing between the Two of you.

Isn't this what you want? Don't you hear His voice.

Of course, his mother is the holiest woman who ever lived...of course the Pope is trying hard to lead the Church forward to Him.

But in the end...isn't it just between you and Him?

49 posted on 02/22/2013 7:16:52 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Salvation

For something so important as to who would lead the church after Jesus’ ascension, why does it only appear in one gospel? I think Paul would beg to differ as well.


50 posted on 02/22/2013 7:17:15 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: DennisR
There is a difference between being impeccable and being infalliable.

Infallibility
Papal Infallibility: A Symbolic, Yet Problematic, Term
Essays for Lent: Papal Infallibility
Did Martin Luther Act Infallibly in Defining What Books Belong in the Bible?
Radio Replies Second Volume - Infallibility
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Charism of Infallibility: The Magisterium
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Charism of Truth Handling: Infallibility
Radio Replies First Volume - Infallibility

Infallible Infallibility
Docility (on Catholic dogma and infallibility)
Beginning Catholic: Infallibility: Keeping the Faith [Ecumenical]
Papal Infallibility [Ecumenical]
Peter & Succession (Understanding the Church Today)
Pope: may all Christians recognize true meaning of Peter’s primacy
THE PRIMACY OF THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER IN THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH
Pope St. Leo the Great and the Petrine Primacy
The Epiphany of the Roman Primacy
THE PRIMACY OF THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER IN THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH [Ratzinger]

51 posted on 02/22/2013 7:18:28 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: terycarl

I have not found anything in the Bible or teachings of Jesus that there is “one true Church”, if so they would have named it. There is also nothing in the Bible that gives one or some human beings more religious authority than others.

Human beings are sinners. The goal is to try to be better. If we are pretending that leaders of a church are more moral than we are, we are off course. If we teach that prophets or “saints” are holier than we are, we have gone off the reservation of what Jesus was teaching us.

Church leaders, whatever the title, are teachers and messengers. It is not about them, they are frail, sin-laden humans just as we are. The focus is the message: “Jesus Saves”. Anything else is a distraction.

The pomp and circumstances aren’t needed. The golden domes, the palaces, the wealth are distractions. Who are they trying to impress? Christians should not be any more impressed than they would be a Televangelist and his private jet.

“Saints” have no power to listen or answer prayers or intercede or bring a message to Jesus, they are certainly not necessary Biblically. Jesus-God can hear our prayers, we don’t need 10,000 Saints dressed as USPS employees to deliver them. The idea that an earthly ‘authority’ (not existent Biblically) can dictate to God who is a “Saint” is ridiculous.

A personal walk with Jesus is just that, no intermediaries are needed ever.

..............

Having said all that, I am usually the among first ones to stick up for the Catholics when the liberals and media attack them. I am always calling for these liberal faux “Catholic” organizations and groups to be ex-communicated and told to stop using that word.

I understand that on the vast majority of issues we are allies and I also do consider them Christian.


52 posted on 02/22/2013 7:21:32 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Salvation

It is amazing that your response to child sexual abuse being widespread and knowingly covered up by bishops and priests - and that there is rampant homosexuality - is to point elsewhere, as if that makes it neutral. No, it is always sinful.

If it is sinful, clean your house, instead of trying to demean Christians that follow Christ, instead of Rome.


53 posted on 02/22/2013 7:22:37 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: sr4402; GeronL; DManA; NYer
By the way, I agree that the headline is unnecessarily provocative. I am a Catholic but I gladly recognize that other non-Catholic followers of Christ are Christians. In fact, I *must* believe that because it is a doctrine of my Church! (And also because it comports with evidence and makes sense.)

However, having done the keyword search in the NT of the KJV, I find multiple times when the Apostles tell believers to follow them, or even to follow the Church:

1 Corinthians 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Acts 13:43 Converts follow Paul & Barnabas

1 Corinthians 4:16 Paul saying "follow me" again

1 Thessalonians 1:6 "Be followers of US, and of the Lord

1 Thessalonians 2:14 They became "followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus"

I could go on and on -- many more citations -- but I won't weary you. Or weary myself: besides, I've got to go to bed.

This doesn't focus on the Papacy by name, but it does directly speak about the necessity of Apostolic leadership in the Church. Bottom line: follow the guy that's following the Lord.

54 posted on 02/22/2013 7:24:13 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: NYer

” Not all christians are christians... “ - PopePipus I...


55 posted on 02/22/2013 7:24:41 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: DManA
Troll?

You are mistaken. Do you understand how the Church pulled those Diana/Athena/Semiramis worshipers into the fold? That was a long time ago...and God forgive them for their error...but...

I love Mary...but I also understand how She has been used to perpetuate the worship of the Queen of Heaven. Mary is not the Queen of Heaven.

Read some ancient history and get a grip on who is being worshiped.

Syncretism is where this whole Mary worship thing came from...not from God.

You are worshiping not Mary, but Semiramis.

She's a demon...good luck with that.

56 posted on 02/22/2013 7:24:55 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: terycarl

Seriously?

Was it Biblical when ruthless Roman emperors crowned themselves as Pope? Was it Biblical when the Holy Roman Empire had large armies?

Where in the Bible does Jesus announce that a living human called a “Pope” would run his terrestrial church?


57 posted on 02/22/2013 7:25:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Salvation
And so I say to you, you are Peter (which means little rock), and upon this Rock (the Rock of Ages - referring to Himself) I will build my Church and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

There. So that there is no confusion. It was a comparison which was consistent with the idiom of the language at that time. But you knew that already.

58 posted on 02/22/2013 7:25:34 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: RoosterRedux

God forgive you for that.


59 posted on 02/22/2013 7:26:58 PM PST by DManA
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To: Drumbo
As I recall it was a Baptist who baptized our Lord, long before Peter journeyed to Rome. Just sayin’.

there is a major difference between a Baptist and a Baptizer....a baptizer is one who baptizes...as far as a denomination is concerned, a Baptist follows Mr. Smythe who in 1609 formed the Baptist denomination.

60 posted on 02/22/2013 7:27:32 PM PST by terycarl
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