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LDS Church announces 58 new missions
Ksl.com ^ | February 22, 2013 | Stephanie Grimes

Posted on 02/23/2013 1:20:54 PM PST by District13

SALT LAKE CITY — The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced Friday the creation of 58 new missions, including one in Utah.

The announcement came after the LDS church saw a drastic increase in members interested in serving missions following LDS Church President Thomas S. Monson's October announcement that the church would lower the age of mission eligibility to 18 for men and 19 for women.

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New missions

Africa Southeast Area

Angola Luanda

Botswana Gaborone

Africa West Area

Ghana Accra West

Liberia Monrovia

Nigeria Benin City

Asia North Area

Japan Tokyo South

Korea Seoul South

Brazil

Brazil Curitiba South

Brazil Fortaleza East

Brazil Juiz de Fora

Brazil Natal

Brazil Piracicaba

Brazil Santos

Brazil Sao Paulo West

Central America Area

El Salvador San Salvador East

Guatemala Coban

Honduras San Pedro Sula West

Europe East Area

Ukraine L'viv

Idaho

Idaho Nampa

Idaho Twin Falls

Mexico Area

Mexico Cancun

Mexico Ciudad Juarez

Mexico Ciudad Obregon

Mexico Mexico City Chalco

Mexico Pachuca

Mexico Queretaro

Mexico Reynosa

Mexico Saltillo

North America Central Area

Colorado Fort Collins

Illinois Chicago West

Kansas Wichita

North America Northeast Area

Ohio Cincinnati

Virginia Chesapeake

North America Northwest Area

Oregon Salem

Washington Federal Way

Washington Vancouver

North America Southeast Area

Georgia Macon

North America Southwest Area

Arizona Gilbert

Arizona Scottsdale

North America West Area

California Bakersfield

California Irvine

California Rancho Cucamonga

Pacific Area

Australia Sydney North

New Zealand Hamilton

Papua New Guinea Lae

Philippines Area

Philippines Cavite

Philippines Cebu East

Philippines Legaspi

Philippines Urdaneta

South America Northwest Area

Bolivia Santa Cruz North

Ecuador Guayaquil West

Ecuador Quito North

Peru Huancayo

Peru Iquitos

South America South Area

Argentina Comodoro Rivadavia

Argentina Posadas

Chile Santiago South

Utah Area

Utah Salt Lake City East

1 posted on 02/23/2013 1:21:05 PM PST by District13
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To: District13

Reports of the Church’s demise were premature.


2 posted on 02/23/2013 1:22:46 PM PST by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: Colofornian

Hey, Col —

Did you know about this???


3 posted on 02/23/2013 1:24:18 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: District13

LDS Missionaries give up 2 years of their life to serve people and spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Why this makes some people mad is a mystery. Plus, LDS Missionaries do not get paid a salary.


4 posted on 02/23/2013 1:25:15 PM PST by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: freedumb2003; Colofornian

Read in Acts Chapter 5 where Gamiliel gives sage, sound advice: (I am paraphrasing) If these Christians are not from God, they will be scattered and amount to nothing; but if they are from God, they will prosper. ‘Nough said.


5 posted on 02/23/2013 1:31:31 PM PST by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: District13

6 posted on 02/23/2013 2:04:07 PM PST by stormer
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To: District13

I don’t know when my cousin went on her trip, NYC she spent most of the time in shows as a dancer.
The Christian full time missionaries I know give their whole lives to Christ.
Did you know about this?


7 posted on 02/23/2013 2:36:15 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: District13

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says this:

“A prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, ‘How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?’ If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously...”

Joseph Smith made numerous prophecies that failed to come true. Since the criteria is a single failed prophecy, obviously Smith is a false prophet.

http://carm.org/false-prophecies-of-joseph-smith

God is eternal and almighty; He was never a man, and He is not flesh and blood. We don’t have the potential to become gods after we die, and we don’t get our own planets. Jesus paid for our sins on the cross, not in the garden of Gethsemane. And (Lord forgive me for speaking this blasphemy)God did not have sex with Mary to impregnate her.

You’re free to have those beliefs, but don’t call them the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They are not, and they never will be.


8 posted on 02/23/2013 2:44:09 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: District13

For those who are interested:

Acts 5
(KJV)

1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch.

13 And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them.

14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)

15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.

16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

17 Then the high priest rose up, and all they that were with him, (which is the sect of the Sadducees,) and were filled with indignation,

18 And laid their hands on the apostles, and put them in the common prison.

19 But the angel of the Lord by night opened the prison doors, and brought them forth, and said,

20 Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life.

21 And when they heard that, they entered into the temple early in the morning, and taught. But the high priest came, and they that were with him, and called the council together, and all the senate of the children of Israel, and sent to the prison to have them brought.

22 But when the officers came, and found them not in the prison, they returned and told,

23 Saying, The prison truly found we shut with all safety, and the keepers standing without before the doors: but when we had opened, we found no man within.

24 Now when the high priest and the captain of the temple and the chief priests heard these things, they doubted of them whereunto this would grow.

25 Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people.

26 Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.

27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,

28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.

29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;

35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.

36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.

37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.

38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:

39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

40 And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.

41 And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.

42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.


9 posted on 02/23/2013 2:48:31 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: District13

“LDS Missionaries give up 2 years of their life to serve people and spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Why this makes some people mad is a mystery. Plus, LDS Missionaries do not get paid a salary.”

1. They are spreading a false gospel.
2. They are teaching a false, created Christ.
3. They are not getting a salary, but believe this mission is part of getting into a false heaven.

All cultic heresy and not Biblical or Christian.


10 posted on 02/23/2013 2:50:58 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: CatherineofAragon; District13
REPOST:

God is eternal and almighty; He was never a man, and He is not flesh and blood.

We don’t have the potential to become gods after we die, and we don’t get our own planets. Jesus paid for our sins on the cross, not in the garden of Gethsemane.

And (Lord forgive me for speaking this blasphemy)God did not have sex with Mary to impregnate her.

You’re free to have those beliefs, but don’t call them the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

They are not, and they never will be.

11 posted on 02/23/2013 2:52:51 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: District13
Read in Acts Chapter 5 where Gamiliel gives sage, sound advice: (I am paraphrasing) If these Christians are not from God, they will be scattered and amount to nothing; but if they are from God, they will prosper. ‘Nough said.

Except that the growth rate of the mormon church is basically that of the BIC rate. Converts drop out sooner and in greater numbers. Missionaries are leaving at a large rate. Hey, good, send us more and younger missionaries that we can show the errors of mormonism to and lead them out of the mormon church and to the real Jesus.

12 posted on 02/23/2013 3:41:51 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

6,144,582 Mormons in the United States in 2011, comprising about 2% of the nation’s population. Church statistics also show a 30% membership increase between 1990 and 2008—a rate double general US population growth.

But recent studies tell a different story—different because whereas LDS Church records count anyone who has ever been baptized, demographers and pollsters count only those who currently identify themselves as Mormon.
Those are the parameters for the landmark Trinity College American Religious Identification Survey: a two-decade project that has produced the largest and most accurate database of self-reported religious identification ever compiled, with 100,000 randomly sampled participants. According to Rick Phillips and Ryan Cragun, the authors of a study of Mormons based on ARIS data, self-identified adult Mormons make up not 2% but rather 1.4% of the adult US population—that’s about 4.4 million LDS adults.

Phillips and Cragun also place LDS growth rates not at 30% but at 16%—a rate on par with general US population growth. “Despite a large missionary force and a persistent emphasis on growth,” Phillips and Cragun write, “Mormons are actually treading water with respect to their per capita presence in the U.S.” In fact, additional studies by Cragun and Phillips show that retention rates of young people (young men especially) raised Mormon have dropped substantially in the last decade: from 92.6% in the 1970s–2000s to 64.4% from 2000–2010. Rising rates of disaffiliation go a long way towards explaining the gap between LDS Church records and the ARIS population estimates.

Those who do continue to identify as Mormon, according to data released by the Pew Forum in January, form a confident, cohesive core that is deeply invested in LDS institutional life. The Pew Forum found that 77% of self-identified Mormons reported attending church weekly, and 65% reported regular participation in temple worship, a benchmark of highly observant Mormonism. Those are eye-popping numbers that don’t quite match up to what most Mormons experience week-to-week in their congregations. (The problem may be sample bias: the Pew located many of its Mormon respondents through oversampling in core areas of the Mormon culture region, where attendance rates trend higher.) The Mormons surveyed by Pew also indicate high levels of life satisfaction, as well as a sense that Mormons are misunderstood in the U.S.: 46% said Mormons experience discrimination. Insularity is also strong among Pew-sampled LDS people, with 57% reporting that all or most of their friends are also LDS.

Social insularity as well as familial and kinship ties and feelings of religious certainty contribute to the cohesiveness of the self-identified Mormon core. But taken together the Pew and ARIS numbers suggest that while the highly active LDS core is highly self-assured, it may also be shrinking—a fact not immediately evident in Church membership statistics.

The numbers also suggest that cultural or heritage identity sense of Mormonism may be weakening, especially at the margins of the core and among those who disaffiliate. That may be bad news for twenty-first century Mormonism: other stable American minority faiths like Judaism rely on cultural identity to draw individuals back into religious life throughout the life cycle and across changes in belief and practice. Today, after decades of institutional emphasis on orthodox belief and behavior, it may be difficult for some in the highly observant Mormon core to imagine a cultural Mormonism that enfranchises the less observant. But as the 2012 presidential contest brings increased scrutiny and self-awareness of Mormonism as a culture (complete with its own foodways), perhaps the time is right for Mormons to explore how to nourish and strengthen Mormon identity, even if our twenty-first century numbers don’t live up to the projections.


13 posted on 02/23/2013 4:20:01 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

Sorry svcw

Somehow God and Christ have been prospering the LDS Church instead of reading your distortions.

Go ahead and try, but your not going to keep the Saviour, Jesus Christ from triumph!


14 posted on 02/23/2013 4:22:28 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: svcw

Sorry svcw

Somehow God and Christ have been prospering the LDS Church instead of reading your distortions.

Go ahead and try, but your not going to keep the Saviour, Jesus Christ from triumph!


15 posted on 02/23/2013 4:22:33 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: teppe

2011 count 6,144,582 Mormons in the United States in 2011, comprising about 2% of the nation’s population. Church statistics also show a 30% membership increase between 1990 and 2008—a rate double general US population growth.

But recent studies tell a different story—different because whereas LDS Church records count anyone who has ever been baptized, demographers and pollsters count only those who currently identify themselves as Mormon. Those are the parameters for the landmark Trinity College American Religious Identification Survey: a two-decade project that has produced the largest and most accurate database of self-reported religious identification ever compiled, with 100,000 randomly sampled participants. According to Rick Phillips and Ryan Cragun, the authors of a study of Mormons based on ARIS data, self-identified adult Mormons make up not 2% but rather 1.4% of the adult US population—that’s about 4.4 million LDS adults.

Phillips and Cragun also place LDS growth rates not at 30% but at 16%—a rate on par with general US population growth. “Despite a large missionary force and a persistent emphasis on growth,” Phillips and Cragun write, “Mormons are actually treading water with respect to their per capita presence in the U.S.” In fact, additional studies by Cragun and Phillips show that retention rates of young people (young men especially) raised Mormon have dropped substantially in the last decade: from 92.6% in the 1970s–2000s to 64.4% from 2000–2010. Rising rates of disaffiliation go a long way towards explaining the gap between LDS Church records and the ARIS population estimates.

Those who do continue to identify as Mormon, according to data released by the Pew Forum in January, form a confident, cohesive core that is deeply invested in LDS institutional life. The Pew Forum found that 77% of self-identified Mormons reported attending church weekly, and 65% reported regular participation in temple worship, a benchmark of highly observant Mormonism. Those are eye-popping numbers that don’t quite match up to what most Mormons experience week-to-week in their congregations. (The problem may be sample bias: the Pew located many of its Mormon respondents through oversampling in core areas of the Mormon culture region, where attendance rates trend higher.) The Mormons surveyed by Pew also indicate high levels of life satisfaction, as well as a sense that Mormons are misunderstood in the U.S.: 46% said Mormons experience discrimination. Insularity is also strong among Pew-sampled LDS people, with 57% reporting that all or most of their friends are also LDS.

Social insularity as well as familial and kinship ties and feelings of religious certainty contribute to the cohesiveness of the self-identified Mormon core. But taken together the Pew and ARIS numbers suggest that while the highly active LDS core is highly self-assured, it may also be shrinking—a fact not immediately evident in Church membership statistics.

The numbers also suggest that cultural or heritage identity sense of Mormonism may be weakening, especially at the margins of the core and among those who disaffiliate. That may be bad news for twenty-first century Mormonism: other stable American minority faiths like Judaism rely on cultural identity to draw individuals back into religious life throughout the life cycle and across changes in belief and practice. Today, after decades of institutional emphasis on orthodox belief and behavior, it may be difficult for some in the highly observant Mormon core to imagine a cultural Mormonism that enfranchises the less observant. But as the 2012 presidential contest brings increased scrutiny and self-awareness of Mormonism as a culture (complete with its own foodways), perhaps the time is right for Mormons to explore how to nourish and strengthen Mormon identity, even if our twenty-first century numbers don’t live up to the projections.


16 posted on 02/23/2013 4:33:30 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: teppe

So are you saying I am lying about my cousin in NYC?
Or are you saying I am lying that Christian missionaries dedicate their entire lives to Christ.
Your reply makes no sense.


17 posted on 02/23/2013 4:36:03 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

Yea, well the LDS Chruch started out as only 16 members less than 200 years ago and has risen to some 10 million world wide.

Projecting out another 200 years (assuming the second coming has not transpired by then) there will probably be more LDS Christians than Nicene Christians.

Christ the Lord keeps marching on.


18 posted on 02/23/2013 4:36:41 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: svcw

I merely state that you have a great dedication to intolerance, distortion and smearing of other Christians with whom you do not agree.


19 posted on 02/23/2013 4:39:16 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: teppe

If you can point to a single incident where I have said or written anything that smears, distorts or shows intolerance towards Christians, I will concede to you point.
Again:
So are you saying I am lying about my cousin in NYC?
Or are you saying I am lying that Christian missionaries dedicate their entire lives to Christ.


20 posted on 02/23/2013 4:47:55 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: teppe

You didn’t even read the statistical study did you?


21 posted on 02/23/2013 4:49:55 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: teppe
Indeed. Well said Teppe. Nothing these people do can stop what will happen, even though we are witnessing the near daily onslaught of multiple smear posts and teeth gnashing sent toward the LDS faithful.

The work will continue, as has been prophesied of. The new missions are another sign the Lord is hastening His work. I expect we'll see great things coming in the next few years.


“The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.” (History of the Church 4:540)
22 posted on 02/23/2013 4:56:58 PM PST by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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To: teppe; svcw; greyfoxx39
Yea, well the LDS Chruch started out as only 16 members less than 200 years ago and has risen to some 10 million world wide.

John Dehlin, a Mormon, points out in a couple of his PowerPoint presentations that only 5 million Mormons are active. See 400: Top 5 Myths and Truths about Why Committed Mormons Leave the Church

Per this Lds site linked here, the Mormon church has...
...NO stakes in almost 53% of all countries (92 of 175)...
...0-1 stake in almost 63% of all countries (110 of 175)...
...NO temples in 71% of all countries (124 of 175)...

Per John Dehlin, many disaffected/disassociated Mormons wonder about the "efficiency" of a Mormon god for whom 99.9995% of the world has NEVER heard of Mormons...

Tell us Teppe...How are your gods going to necro-dunk the BILLIONS of the dead if over 70% of these countries don't have a temple in them???

23 posted on 02/23/2013 5:00:07 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Ripliancum

(Post #23 is for you as well, Rip)


24 posted on 02/23/2013 5:01:13 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: teppe; svcw
Somehow God and Christ have been prospering the LDS Church instead of reading your distortions.

Keep drinking the koolaid teppe. the numbers say otherwise. Even your elders are on record saying that huge numbers are leaving.

25 posted on 02/23/2013 5:03:02 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: District13

(I forgot to ping you as an add-on re: post #23...where 71% of countries don’t have an Lds temple...almost 63% have 0-1 stake located in these countries — and almost 53% have ZERO stakes...NO REAL LOCAL community...)


26 posted on 02/23/2013 5:04:04 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: teppe; District13; Ripliancum; Godzilla; svcw; Elsie; All
Somehow God and Christ have been prospering the LDS Church instead of reading your distortions.

If we're going to go with "minority" numbers like what you offer, then we would have to conclude that your god has "prospered" Islam as well, eh? (After all, Islam has 1.5 BILLION adherents -- over 20% of the world's population -- and growing)

Hinduism is approaching a billion; Chinese traditional religions and Buddhism each have almost 400 million apiece.

Even if we go with 19th century religious upstarts, the Jehovah's Witnesses have done well in #s...are you claiming that your gods have "prospered" JWs, too???

27 posted on 02/23/2013 5:10:30 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

BIC Exmo bump. I am one of the at least ten million still being counted. Count all you want good friends, it’s still a crock.


28 posted on 02/23/2013 5:16:40 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah Mood is Fine Art)
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To: District13; teppe; Ripliancum; svcw; Godzilla; Elsie; All
In looking at the 58-"mission" list -- and then comparing that to countries where Lds have 0-1 stakes located -- I see only 4 countries where "new" pioneer ground is being broken (Angola, Liberia, Botswana, Ukraine)...

So...territorially...BRAND "new" missions for Mormons = less than 7% even of its "NEW" category...

29 posted on 02/23/2013 5:18:45 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: District13; freedumb2003; teppe; Ripliancum
Read in Acts Chapter 5 where Gamiliel gives sage, sound advice: (I am paraphrasing) If these Christians are not from God, they will be scattered and amount to nothing; but if they are from God, they will prosper. ‘Nough said.

Note to ALL: Gamiliel was not a Christian.

(Lds love to cite non-Christians to reinforce what they say when Christian sources are sadly lacking)

So District13, out of ALL of the Christians speaking in the New Testament, you could only find a non-Christian to cite for reinforcement?

30 posted on 02/23/2013 5:22:28 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Utah Binger

Southern Utah Mood

31 posted on 02/23/2013 5:24:03 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah Mood is Fine Art)
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To: District13; svcw; teppe; Ripliancum; Godzilla; Elsie; All
LDS Missionaries give up 2 years of their life to serve people and spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Why this makes some people mad is a mystery

Think about it, District. Your OTHER "revelations" -- like D&C 20:9 & 42:12 both claim that the Book of Mormon "contains the...fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ."

That would mean, then, if Joseph Smith is not a "false prophet" in what he said in 20:9 & 42:12 -- that the Book of Mormon at least contains the ESSENTIAL "gospel" teachings...not EVERYTHING taught by Mormons...but the ESSENTIAL ones...lest we turn the word "fulness" on its head...

Tell us, District, which of these Mormon teachings are non-essential for "Mormon gospel" purposes????

Mormon "sacred" things not found in the Mormon "sacred" BoM:

1. Church organizational structure and titles of leaders [Hey, we don't need to provoke pagans into laughter by coming up with religious titles like the bishopric, do we?]
2. gods...plural [due to insistance by some FReeper Mormons that they only worship one godhead, a few FI have begun referencing that belief as polymonotheism]
3. Plurality of wives doctrine [Ah. Polymonogamy]
4. Word of Wisdom [I guess the people of South America weren't very wise about Brazilian coffee]
5. God is an exalted man [Who knew this facebook boy would make it big? Hmm...a god who worshiped his own god/gods once upon a time, eh?]
6. Celestial marriage [If you want to become an eternal polygamist, current Lds church policy says you can...just make sure you secure permission of anybody you've divorced & get "married" to your multiple SERIAL spouses one at a time in the temple for eternity]
7. Men may become Gods ["Hey, God, move over...you can go ahead & take my measurements for my throne"]
8. Three degrees of glory [Mormons tout resurrection for all; yet John says there's a resurrection unto "damnation" (John 5:29) -- not too glorious]
9. Baptism for the dead [monopoly on the religio-necro industry, that's for sure! I think we should call this a polymonopoly on necro-baptisms...when are they going to open up fast-food-like windows to meet the demand to grow with more genealogical records online?]
10. Eternal progression [at least til you hit the ceiling of your assigned glory...you terrestials aren't getting out!]
11. The Aaronic Priesthood [yeah, like the Bible -- apostle Paul -- says, these 12-year-old "elders" better keep to one wife!]
12. Temple works of washings, anointing, endowments, sealing; along with temple -- at least for its newly re-purposed usage [I guess the people of the Book of Mormon times weren't very "sacred" compared to contemporary Mormons]

32 posted on 02/23/2013 5:30:17 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: District13
Read in Acts Chapter 5 where Gamiliel gives sage, sound advice: (I am paraphrasing) If these Christians are not from God, they will be scattered and amount to nothing; but if they are from God, they will prosper. ‘Nough said.

Then early Christians should have forsworn Jesus Christ and become pagan, since pagans covered the whole world at the time, and by your logic God had certainly blessed the pagans more than the followers of Jesus.

In modern times, if you follow the theory that popularity equals Godly approval, then you would be a Muslim today. And vote Democrat.

33 posted on 02/23/2013 5:42:24 PM PST by fattigermaster (Train for life in prison because they are stacking the bricks and setting the bars around you.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Then how can Jesus be G-d? Jesus was a human who had flesh and blood.


34 posted on 02/23/2013 5:52:08 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Jesus did not become God.


35 posted on 02/23/2013 5:59:24 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Scripture tells us that God became God in the flesh as Jesus Christ-—He was fully God, and fully man. This incarnation was His choice and His doing.

But it also tells us that God is eternal and almighty, with no beginning and no end. That puts to rest the Mormon teaching that He began as a plain human being and somehow “became” a god.

The former shows the power of the creator God, while the latter falsely teaches of a semi-deity whose beginning is no different from our own. IMO, the purpose of that teaching plays to human pride.....it says, see, God used to be nothing more than a man, so you can aspire to be a god, too.


36 posted on 02/23/2013 6:00:11 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: svcw

True

Jesus is eternal, like the Father...not a created being


37 posted on 02/23/2013 6:02:20 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: svcw; POWERSBOOTHEFAN; CatherineofAragon; All
Jesus did not become God.

Excellent succinct response.

38 posted on 02/23/2013 6:04:22 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: CatherineofAragon

Read in Acts Chapter 5 where Gamiliel gives sage, sound advice: (I am paraphrasing) If these Christians are not from God, they will be scattered and amount to nothing; but if they are from God, they will prosper.

You will know them by their fruit.

The super religious people of the Bible were the very ones who crucified Jesus, who persecuted the Disciples, stoned Paul, imprisoned Peter . . . .

Be careful who you condemn to hell - that’s above your pay grade.


39 posted on 02/23/2013 6:16:49 PM PST by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: svcw

God is eternal and almighty; He was never a man, and He is not flesh and blood.

The Son of God Jesus was once flesh and blood and also a man and now is Flesh and Bone and Eternal!

1 Tim 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


40 posted on 02/23/2013 6:18:11 PM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: Godzilla

“Converts drop out sooner and in greater numbers. Missionaries are leaving at a large rate.”

Politely disagree. I think it’s interesting when people throw out their opinions as if they were fact.


41 posted on 02/23/2013 6:19:20 PM PST by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: CatherineofAragon

“We don’t have the potential to become gods after we die”

So you don’t believe the Holy Bible which states that we can become joint heirs with Christ?

You are free to believe as you will but maybe you should make sure you line up with the Word and you might want to think twice about throwing stones around.


42 posted on 02/23/2013 6:24:13 PM PST by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: svcw

Gamaliel was very wise.

“34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;

35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.

36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.

37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.

38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:

39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.”

Some folks continue to kick against the pricks.


43 posted on 02/23/2013 6:29:40 PM PST by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: restornu

Hey Resty, hows it going?

Sorry honey, God can not both be eternal and be created.
God not be eternal and a man.
The verse you quoted does not say what you so desperately want it to say.


44 posted on 02/23/2013 6:33:23 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: District13

For those who are interested:

Acts 5
(KJV)

1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch.

13 And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them.

14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)

15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.

16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

17 Then the high priest rose up, and all they that were with him, (which is the sect of the Sadducees,) and were filled with indignation,

18 And laid their hands on the apostles, and put them in the common prison.

19 But the angel of the Lord by night opened the prison doors, and brought them forth, and said,

20 Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life.

21 And when they heard that, they entered into the temple early in the morning, and taught. But the high priest came, and they that were with him, and called the council together, and all the senate of the children of Israel, and sent to the prison to have them brought.

22 But when the officers came, and found them not in the prison, they returned and told,

23 Saying, The prison truly found we shut with all safety, and the keepers standing without before the doors: but when we had opened, we found no man within.

24 Now when the high priest and the captain of the temple and the chief priests heard these things, they doubted of them whereunto this would grow.

25 Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people.

26 Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.

27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,

28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.

29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;

35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.

36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.

37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.

38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:

39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

40 And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.

41 And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.

42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.


45 posted on 02/23/2013 6:35:23 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: District13

Now why would you refer to yourself as a prick?


46 posted on 02/23/2013 6:37:26 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: District13

I agree it is interesting that people throw out opinion as though it were fact.
So here are some facts for you:

2011 count 6,144,582 Mormons in the United States in 2011, comprising about 2% of the nation’s population. Church statistics also show a 30% membership increase between 1990 and 2008—a rate double general US population growth.

But recent studies tell a different story—different because whereas LDS Church records count anyone who has ever been baptized, demographers and pollsters count only those who currently identify themselves as Mormon. Those are the parameters for the landmark Trinity College American Religious Identification Survey: a two-decade project that has produced the largest and most accurate database of self-reported religious identification ever compiled, with 100,000 randomly sampled participants. According to Rick Phillips and Ryan Cragun, the authors of a study of Mormons based on ARIS data, self-identified adult Mormons make up not 2% but rather 1.4% of the adult US population—that’s about 4.4 million LDS adults.

Phillips and Cragun also place LDS growth rates not at 30% but at 16%—a rate on par with general US population growth. “Despite a large missionary force and a persistent emphasis on growth,” Phillips and Cragun write, “Mormons are actually treading water with respect to their per capita presence in the U.S.” In fact, additional studies by Cragun and Phillips show that retention rates of young people (young men especially) raised Mormon have dropped substantially in the last decade: from 92.6% in the 1970s–2000s to 64.4% from 2000–2010. Rising rates of disaffiliation go a long way towards explaining the gap between LDS Church records and the ARIS population estimates.

Those who do continue to identify as Mormon, according to data released by the Pew Forum in January, form a confident, cohesive core that is deeply invested in LDS institutional life. The Pew Forum found that 77% of self-identified Mormons reported attending church weekly, and 65% reported regular participation in temple worship, a benchmark of highly observant Mormonism. Those are eye-popping numbers that don’t quite match up to what most Mormons experience week-to-week in their congregations. (The problem may be sample bias: the Pew located many of its Mormon respondents through oversampling in core areas of the Mormon culture region, where attendance rates trend higher.) The Mormons surveyed by Pew also indicate high levels of life satisfaction, as well as a sense that Mormons are misunderstood in the U.S.: 46% said Mormons experience discrimination. Insularity is also strong among Pew-sampled LDS people, with 57% reporting that all or most of their friends are also LDS.

Social insularity as well as familial and kinship ties and feelings of religious certainty contribute to the cohesiveness of the self-identified Mormon core. But taken together the Pew and ARIS numbers suggest that while the highly active LDS core is highly self-assured, it may also be shrinking—a fact not immediately evident in Church membership statistics.

The numbers also suggest that cultural or heritage identity sense of Mormonism may be weakening, especially at the margins of the core and among those who disaffiliate. That may be bad news for twenty-first century Mormonism: other stable American minority faiths like Judaism rely on cultural identity to draw individuals back into religious life throughout the life cycle and across changes in belief and practice. Today, after decades of institutional emphasis on orthodox belief and behavior, it may be difficult for some in the highly observant Mormon core to imagine a cultural Mormonism that enfranchises the less observant. But as the 2012 presidential contest brings increased scrutiny and self-awareness of Mormonism as a culture (complete with its own foodways), perhaps the time is right for Mormons to explore how to nourish and strengthen Mormon identity, even if our twenty-first century numbers don’t live up to the projections.


47 posted on 02/23/2013 6:40:03 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“1. They are spreading a false gospel.
2. They are teaching a false, created Christ.
3. They are not getting a salary, but believe this mission is part of getting into a false heaven.”

Again, I refer you to the wise counsel of Gamiliel. Furthermore, I direct you to the Lord Jesus Christ who became very upset with the pious judgmental religious folk and hypocrites, and Who met with Saul (Paul) on the Road to Damascus and chose Paul (Chosen Vessel) to preach the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the whole world.

How sad that you actually think you know the heart of another.


48 posted on 02/23/2013 6:40:51 PM PST by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: Ripliancum

Amen to your Post 22!!!


49 posted on 02/23/2013 6:43:55 PM PST by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: District13

Where did I say someone is headed for hell? Don’t misrepresent my words, please.

If by super-religious, you mean the Pharisees, that’s interesting, because the Gamaliel you quote was a Pharisee, so I don’t see why you would look to him as an authority on anything. If Gamaliel was correct, why has Islam prospered? Or Scientology? Or any false doctrine? I have read, though, that Mormons tend to use Gamaliel’s words as an argument, so maybe you’ve been taught to do so, I don’t know.

I’ll say it again. Your religion teaches that Jesus and Satan are brothers, that God was once a man, that you can have your own planet, and that God had sex with Mary. That is not Christianity; in fact, it contradicts all Christian doctrine.


50 posted on 02/23/2013 6:49:11 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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