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Original Language of the Book of Mormon: Upstate New York Dialect, King James English, or Hebrew?
BYU Maxwell Institute ^ | 1994 | Royal Skousen

Posted on 02/24/2013 5:01:01 PM PST by Colofornian

...the original text of the Book of Mormon contains expressions which seem inappropriate or improper in some of their uses. For example, in the original text a good many occurrences of the phrase "and it came to pass" are found in inappropriate contexts. In his editing for the 1837 edition, Joseph Smith removed at least 47 of these apparently extraneous uses of this well-worked phrase. In most cases, there were two or more examples of "it came to pass" in close proximity; in some cases, nothing new had "come to pass."

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From the article: ...the original text of the Book of Mormon contains expressions which seem inappropriate or improper in some of their uses. For example, in the original text a good many occurrences of the phrase "and it came to pass" are found in inappropriate contexts. In his editing for the 1837 edition, Joseph Smith removed at least 47 of these apparently extraneous uses of this well-worked phrase. In most cases, there were two or more examples of "it came to pass" in close proximity; in some cases, nothing new had "come to pass."

Per this Mopologist cite (http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Evidences/And_it_came_to_pass), Joseph Smith uses the phrase "it came to pass" 1,404 times. I assume since Royal Skousen says Smith removed 47 of them in the 1837 edition, that the original 1830 edition then had 1,451 "it came to pass" references.

* Why so many?
* Why “it came to pass” when even Lds “scholars” concede that “nothing” new had come to pass?
* I mean per the Book of Mormon character, “Jacob” – IF what he said was so – that "I cannot write but a little of my words, because of the difficulty of engraving our words upon plates" (Jacob 4:1) … then why would these Book of Mormon etchers take to time to etch “it came to pass” over 1,450 times?
* And why other seemingly meaningless endless repetition of words like “exceeding” and “exceedingly” and “behold” and even some phrases which (laughingly) combine several of these...like "Therefore, behold, it came to pass..." (Ether 9:1)
* If what the characters “Jacob” and “Mormon” wrote were true...that 'twas difficult to engrave letters on gold plates (see above Jacob 4:1)...and ”if our plates had been sufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew” (Mormon 9:33)...thereby supposedly forcing them to write in a language of their enemies...a language, actually, nobody has heard of (“Reformed Egyptian”)... then how come we have verses like 4 Nephi 1:6, where the writer takes 57 words to simply say 59 years passed??? "And thus did the thirty and eighth year pass away, and also the thirty and ninth, and forty and first, and the forty and second, yea, even until forty and nine years had passed away, also the fifty and first, and the fifty and second; yea, and even until fifty and nine years had passed away." (4 Nephi 1:6)

Suggested answers to these questions?

Well...
... Smith had to try to break up this meaningless verse with a few story-telling pauses...
...ya know, the kind of pauses YOU as a story-teller need when you're 'yarnin' a good one for the kids (or for some, grandkids)...
-- I mean, that's all those 130 "it came to passes" in 32 pages of the book of Ether were...
--just phrases tossed in to break up meaningless narratives and bad-quality fairy tales (like Ether 14)

And it's not like Joseph Smith didn't have plenty of “dress rehearsals” for putting together this book.

I mean, what do you think Joseph actually did prior to writing all this down? Why, he told various versions of it in story/tale form! How do we know this? (Always listen to the moms of 17 yo -- like Lucy Mack Smith describing her boy about the age of 17)...and if he could tell tales like the following at age 17, stop with the "uneducated" nonsense...giving dictation is just like tale-telling:

"During our evening conversations, Joseph would occasionally give us some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined. He would describe the ancient inhabitants of the continent, their dress, mode of traveling, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, their buildings, with every particular; their mode of warfare; and also their religious worship. This he would do with as much ease, seemingly, as if he had spent his whole life among them. On the twenty-second of September, 1824, Joseph again visited the place where he found the plates the year previous; and supporting at this time that the only thing required, in order to possess them until the time for their translation, was to be able to keep the commandments of God...he fully expected to carry them home with him.” (Lucy Mack Smith, edited by Preston Nibley, History of Joseph Smith, p. 83, Bookcraft, Salt Lake City, 1958)

Well, thank you, Mormon publisher Bookcraft, Preston Nibley, and Joseph Smith's Mom!!! And did you note the chronology there on page 83? What Mormons (like Preston Nibley) may have missed in this account is that Lucy Mack Smith was saying Joseph gave these storied details before he ever even "interpreted" these gold plates. A lot of it was already there -- in his active, imaginitive mind!

1 posted on 02/24/2013 5:01:21 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: All
Please also see today's post: Defending the Faith: Top Book of Mormon expert Royal Skousen to lecture where a Mopologist writing this article in the Lds Church owned DesNews concedes:

"Intriguingly, too, Skousen (a specialist, be it remembered, in linguistics and the English language) contends that the language of the Book of Mormon isn’t Joseph Smith’s early 19th-century dialect, but English of the 1500s and 1600s.

Why would a book of mostly "B.C." gold plates be so filled with 17th century verbiage when people in the 19th century (for the most part) didn't use that as part of their daily vernacular?

Well, see and join the discussion on that matter at the link in this post.

2 posted on 02/24/2013 5:02:40 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: All

Note on headline: Not enough FR posting “character” space for entire headline...Only the word “The” — at the start of the headline — was deleted to match the characters allowed.


3 posted on 02/24/2013 5:04:05 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Isn’t the original language of the Book of Mormon Kolobian?


4 posted on 02/24/2013 5:09:01 PM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: bimboeruption

Klingon.


5 posted on 02/24/2013 5:10:09 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Colofornian
A common expression found at the end of the transcripts created during Saturday church business meetings was "SODISMIST".

In rendering down the history of various individuals named in an early pre-Civil War Baptist church ledger, my sister in law was beside herself trying to figure out why the church clerk thought we should know something about THAT!

One day I realized she was reading it as SODOMIST

6 posted on 02/24/2013 5:12:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: All; Elsie
Btw, 4 Nephi 1:6 isn't the only problematic passage in the Book of Mormon for supposedly difficulty of etchings (Jacob 4:1) or lack of space to accommodate writings (Mormon 9:33).

According to Colleen Ralson, in her 1988 booklet, "Color Me Confused," p. 49 (Watchman Fellowship)--
--as she commented upon the original verbiage of 3 Nephi 21:2-7 --
-- WHICH was written as just one sentence in the original 1830 version:
'Father' is used 8 times,
'Gentile' 5 times,
'shall come forth' 4 times,
'that' and 'which' 20 times,
and 'me,' 'I' and 'my' over 11 times.
This Mormon Jesus is a lot more expressive in his statements than the Jesus of the Bible, who averaged only 19 words per sentence.

Got that right...

That Book of Mormon definitely was ANOTHER jesus...ANOTHER entity in disguise!!!

Or, Joseph Smith was an absolutely horrific "gold plate translator." (Hey, what do you expect, tho, from a guy who had his head stuck in a hat while dictating the Book of Mormon?)

(For more research on Joseph's "peepstone" and hat "translation," see links below!)

Problem # Links MRM.tv; John Ankerberg links; Mormonisminvestigated (UK) youtube linkage, etc.
1. Smith's peepstone usage in Book of Mormon 'translation' Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #15 from this article) + Translation of the Book of Mormon + Book of Mormon translation + A Seer Stone and a Hat - "Translating" the Book of Mormon Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #3)

7 posted on 02/24/2013 5:16:58 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Therefore, it came to pass that they lived happily ever after.:)


8 posted on 02/24/2013 5:21:53 PM PST by jch10 (Hey GOP! Only Conservatives get my vote.)
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To: Colofornian

Here’s Mark Twains opinion.

http://www.mrm.org/topics/documents-speeches/mark-twains-review-book-mormon


9 posted on 02/24/2013 5:30:27 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: bimboeruption; All
Isn’t the original language of the Book of Mormon Kolobian?

(Well, that's actually SOMETHING to consider...if you're the type to believe in the Internet gossip mill, that is)

What do I mean?

(1) Joseph Smith claimed the language was "Reformed Egyptian" -- which nobody has heard of before

(2) ALL kinds of "internet rumors" suggest that aliens visiting earth on their spacecraft helped the Egyptians to build the pyramids...and hence there are pyramid structures in other places on the earth besides Egypt...

(3) Mormons claim they were ALL "spirit-born" on a planet near the star Kolob. (And then they were transferred here to planet earth to possess bodies)

(4) The famous Kecksburg, PA UFO incident in 1967 had numerous witnesses who saw a downed craft (some say it was the Russian "Kosmos" craft) that was acorn-shaped/Liberty-Bell shaped and that on the border surrounding the lower portion were strange "hieroglyphics"

So...given ALL of the above...

I s'pose the conjecture that planetarians from yonder Kolob heights visited Egypt and left the "Reformed Egyptian" language, which would actually then have been "PRE-formed" Egyptian etymology-wise, and maybe these same Mormon Kolobian Heights aliens were downed in Kecksburg.

(Ya didn't know all these Mormons 'round you are aliens who readily admit being so, did ya?)

10 posted on 02/24/2013 5:35:25 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: bimboeruption

Klingon maybe?


11 posted on 02/24/2013 5:46:41 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw; bimboeruption; All
Klingon maybe?

Some alien race, anyway...How else would Brigham have had the "inside track" on such info as "moon men":

Lds "prophet" Brigham Young: Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? ...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain.
Source: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 271...1870 -- so keep in mind, Young had already been leading the Lds church for about 25 years or so when he made this comment.

BTW, where did Brigham Young get his "source" re: the habitation of the moon?

Oliver B. Huntington: Nearly all the great discoveries of men in the last half century have, in one way or another, either directly or indirectly, contributed to prove Joseph Smith to be a prophet. As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do--that they live generally near the age of 1000 years. He described the men as averaging nearly six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style. In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I should preach the gospel before I was 21 years of age; that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and--to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can not behold with your eyes. The first two promises have been fulfilled, and the latter may be verified. From the verification of the two promises we may reasonably expect the third to be fulfilled also. (Source: Young Woman's Journal, Vol. 3, pp. 263-264, 1892)

12 posted on 02/24/2013 5:58:05 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

It’s a shame Joseph Smith never met Jodi Arias.


13 posted on 02/24/2013 6:15:57 PM PST by polkajello
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To: bimboeruption

Reformed Kolobian of the Upper Nile is what I was led to believe.


14 posted on 02/24/2013 6:22:46 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: polkajello
(If he had, it would have been both a gunbattle and knifebattle 'tween the two...as Joseph Smith went down shooting...not exactly "kosher" for Smith to have had two loaded weapons in jail)
15 posted on 02/24/2013 6:24:27 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

You will find such shining lights as Sir William Herschel, discoverer of the planet Uranus and many other astronomical things, teaching in published material that not only was the moon and all the other planets inhabited, but so was the sun.

William Herschel is so famous as to have space probes named after him.

He was not alone in his ideas.

So, it appears, they copied what some leading scientists of the day, and earlier, had been saying in order to appear “brilliant” and then as science progressed they now look silly.


16 posted on 02/24/2013 6:30:33 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Colofornian

Colofornian

I knew you couldn’t avoid an LDS distortion and smear today!

How empty must your life be? ...to spend such a large part of it trying to discourage Christians with whom you do not agree.

FYI: Checkout the Bat Creek Hebrew inscription. Discovered in 1890 by the Smithsonian Inst. and recently dated to 100 AD.

A hebrew inscription on a rock in the American Continent from 100 AD? ..... Sounds a lot like the Book of Mormon to me.


17 posted on 02/24/2013 6:39:22 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: wonkowasright
You will find such shining lights as Sir William Herschel, discoverer of the planet Uranus and many other astronomical things, teaching in published material that not only was the moon and all the other planets inhabited, but so was the sun. William Herschel is so famous as to have space probes named after him. He was not alone in his ideas. So, it appears, they copied what some leading scientists of the day, and earlier, had been saying in order to appear “brilliant” and then as science progressed they now look silly.

The difference is that one Wm Herschel did NOT claim...
...to be THE ONE God's direct-line spokesperson on planet earth...
...and therefore did NOT claim to be in God's special "confidence" on moon men...
...unlike Brigham Young and Joey Smith.

18 posted on 02/24/2013 6:41:53 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

The only tall impressive structure that can be built with stone age technology is a pyramid!


19 posted on 02/24/2013 6:45:10 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Colofornian

The gibberish that is the Book of Mormon cannot be salvaged by its grammatical errors. It’s all baloney.


20 posted on 02/24/2013 6:53:57 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: teppe; All
What is distorted?

Royal Skousen is a respected Lds leader who gets stories written by him in the BYU Maxwell Institute, and February 2013 stories written about him in the Lds church-owned Deseret News.

You would actually think with the HUNDREDS of Lds-sourced articles, powerpoints, Pdfs, and other excerpts that I cite more Mormons would actually commend me for spreading the Mormon "gospel."

On top of that, I've cited THOUSANDS of direct quotes from Lds leaders ranging from 1830 to 2013.

You would actually think Lds would relish their leaders being cited that often.

But not you...and not most Mormons.

Do you know, therefore, what that conveys when you generate DOZENS of such contrarian posts to my frequent sourcing of all things Mormon?

Please correct me if reading these signals is somehow off-based, but doesn't that strike all you FREEPERS out there that too many FREEPER Mormons are very much ashamed of...
...their Lds general authorities and what they have said thru the years???
...their Lds media sources and what they have published even in just recent years???
...their Lds brethren for generating hundreds of scandals?

You would think with as many THOUSANDS of Lds citations as I have given, that every Mormon would rush out to this "Gentile" and mob me with congratulatories o'er placing all of this Mormon "thinktank" stuff in wider circulation...

...But...I somehow think that if I was ever to be mobbed by Mormons, it somehow might not exactly be for those reasons...

But, hey, Teppe, I love you in Christ; I love your fellow Lds, who deserve the truth...
...as I posted on the other thread today this link, MORMONS IN SHOCK: Love warns of danger -- Love, indeed, warns of danger, Teppe. Love teaches kids NOT to take street drugs, NOT to jaywalk in busy traffic, NOT to touch hot stoves, etc. The Bible is filled with warnings & admonitions...even the Lds D&C has admonitions that Lds leaders say their missionaries to give & Mom & Pop answering Lds missionary rung doorbells.

Enjoy your week, Teppe...the ONE TRUE God, and the ONLY SON He had in the pre-existence loves you...

21 posted on 02/24/2013 6:57:32 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: teppe
Oh indeed, lets check out the Bat Crazy forgery.

http://www.telliquah.com/Batcreek.htm

http://sjdorsey.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-bat-creek-stone-or-wait-minute-lost.html

The entertaining thing is that if one reads enough Mormon “scholarship” on the rock even they don't agree, some also acknowledge the truth that the rock was a scam.

If only their discernment extended to early 19th Century religious fiction...

22 posted on 02/24/2013 6:58:14 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: teppe
Oh indeed, lets check out the Bat Crazy forgery.

http://www.telliquah.com/Batcreek.htm

http://sjdorsey.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-bat-creek-stone-or-wait-minute-lost.html

The entertaining thing is that if one reads enough Mormon “scholarship” on the rock even they don't agree, some also acknowledge the truth that the rock was a scam.

If only their discernment extended to early 19th Century religious fiction...

23 posted on 02/24/2013 6:58:22 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: headsonpikes

Your response was nicer than the one I was gonna type out. I was gonna say “demonic.”


24 posted on 02/24/2013 7:05:34 PM PST by ducttape45
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To: svcw

I think the sci fi show of the 80’s with lorne green was based on the Mormon faith. Google it. Today I went to a Mormoun temple to support a friend whoms daughter is about to go on a mission. I could care less what he celebrates on Sunday. I hope people feel the same way of the Catholicism we practice. Everyone was really nice. Its America, the Puritans came here to escape religious persucution.

A “elder” asked us if we are “investigating”. I politley said no. That was the end of it. Nice folks. We were treated with well manors and smiles.


25 posted on 02/24/2013 7:22:44 PM PST by guyfromjrz (fresh breath, it speaks for itself.)
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To: Colofornian
“And it came to pass” was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet.

Mark Twain

26 posted on 02/24/2013 7:23:09 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: guyfromjrz
Most Mormons are very pleasant people to be around but that doesn't make their doctrine correct. It's not Mormons we have a problem with but Mormonism. Big difference.
27 posted on 02/24/2013 7:34:27 PM PST by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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To: guyfromjrz

That show was battle star galactica, and the cylones are the Mormons. And it was glen Larson.


28 posted on 02/24/2013 7:34:52 PM PST by guyfromjrz (fresh breath, it speaks for itself.)
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To: All
From the headline: Upstate New York dialect...?

Ya know...one of bait & switch things that Lds missionaries engage in is to ask contacts to "pray about the Book of Mormon."

ALL: If you ever have an Lds missionary ask you to do that, ask them, "Which one?"

They will look at you in a confused manner, thinking there's only one.

But you see, the Book of Mormon has so much majestic King James Bible plagiarism in it, that if they were truly "up front" -- they'd show you the 1830 version so that you can see the "upstate New York-like" grammar-horrific UNmajestic version Smith put together prior to Lds leaders making THOUSANDS of changes.

You see reading the ORIGINAL Book of Mormon...
...with the majestic KJV excerpts --
--contrasted vs. Smith's Un-majestic portion of the BoM
-- would all be a dead giveaway that this wasn't the "genuine article."

But, hey, what do you expect when Mormon missionaries aren't exactly "out front" with many of their doctrines? (They promote pretty much ONLY the Book of Mormon)

Of course, the Book of Mormon has ZILCHO content/teachings about all the "later" developments of Joseph Smith...such as...
* God is a lower-level god who god assigned the "god job" for the Kolob-Earth district
* He was a man who earned his way to godhood; therefore, you can, too
* Temples are for baptizing dead people -- which Mormons hear from time-to-time in those temples (necro-immersing & necromancy)
* Any kind of "pre-existence"
* 3 degrees of glory -- with ONLY temple married Mormons having the opportunity to live eternally with Heavenly Father...(all others get a lower "glory"...as if Heaven could be Heaven minus Heavenly Father!!!)
* Hell isn't eternal -- damnation just means "damned up"
* Marriage & families are for eternity [imagine the Book of Mormon missing out on that one]
* Sealings & endowments & temple recommends & temple ritual language
* A mom-god or 2 or 3 or a harem of them

Anyway, no wonder there's "misunderstandings" of what Mormonism is! Here they do a bait-and-switch, asking people to pray about stuff that doesn't even record many of their primary teachings!!!

It's all downright deceptive.

Royal Skousen should push for THE original Book of Mormon to be handed out for "prayer purposes" by Lds missionaries...(Yeah, that'd go over like a green jello brick)

29 posted on 02/24/2013 7:41:19 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: CommerceComet

I hear ya, my wife and I talked about the service. I explained the Trinity vs the theme of unitarian. But hey, for me, whatever makes ya happy and it doesn’t affect me, live it up.


30 posted on 02/24/2013 7:43:33 PM PST by guyfromjrz (fresh breath, it speaks for itself.)
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To: guyfromjrz; ansel12; CommerceComet; All
Today I went to a Mormoun temple to support a friend whoms daughter is about to go on a mission. I could care less what he celebrates on Sunday. I hope people feel the same way of the Catholicism we practice. Everyone was really nice. Its America, the Puritans came here to escape religious persucution.

(Except that your Catholic leaders regard Mormonism as a "cult" and many heresies mingled into one...so much for your "regard" for your own leaders)

ALL: Note the contrast of a perspective of "I could care less what he celebrates on Sunday" & whatever nonsense his daughter teaches gullible others about vs. the apostle Paul:

I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit— 2 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race, 4 the people of Israel. (Romans 9:1-4)

31 posted on 02/24/2013 7:53:13 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: guyfromjrz; CommerceComet; All
...for me, whatever makes ya happy and it doesn’t affect me

Wow...I didn't know you'd be so into promoting licenciousness, hedonism, and every "private" immoral lifestyle you can think of -- all covered under the immoral ethical banner of "whatever makes ya happy..."

32 posted on 02/24/2013 7:55:30 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: teppe; Colofornian
to spend such a large part of it trying to discourage Christians with whom you do not agree.

I don't see where Colofornian is discouraging any Christians with exposing man-made teachings that don't agree with God's Word. If you are discouraged, well then.....

Focus on God's Word, not man's.

33 posted on 02/24/2013 8:01:16 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Colofornian

Good word!


34 posted on 02/24/2013 8:07:27 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: guyfromjrz

Yes, BSG was based on the book of mormon.
I like the remake way better.
Yes, people are free to practice whatever faith based system they choose.
However, mormonism tears people away from God Almighty to a false god(s).
As Christians we are commanded to call out false prophets and teachings, so posting of mormonism in their own words and own teachings does just that.
mormons in general are very pleasant people, not necessarily because they are but because it is part of their teachings for their taught salvation which is completely work based and not based on Grace.
I love my mormon family and friends, they are however deceived.


35 posted on 02/24/2013 8:17:26 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ejonesie22

I heard about the Bat Creek Rock on History Channel ... not from anyone LDS ...

However, I understand from History Channel that it was recently validated that decomposition of minerals within the scratched inscriptions themselves

So, its very possible that your focusing on obselete material

... you know ... obselete like your Nicene Creed!


36 posted on 02/24/2013 9:14:26 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: ejonesie22

the whole “Bat Creek” thing or the “and it came to pass” Mayan Glyph are just interesting stories that do not prove or disprove the book of Mormon.

I believe the Book of Mormon to be true because of confirmation from my Heavenly Father.

As Christ recommended, I won’t go into detail by throwing pearls to swine.

The greatest contribution of the LDS Church to Christianity is the belief that you don’t have to take anyone elses word for it.

You can go straight to the Lord for an answer.

And that is where your inuendo, distortions and smears fail ejonsie22.

The Heavens are not sealed and God still speaks to mankind, even if your not capable of listening, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen to those of us with open hearts.


37 posted on 02/24/2013 9:27:17 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: headsonpikes
Klingon.

yIlop! wa'IeS chaq maHegh!

38 posted on 02/24/2013 10:37:29 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: teppe

Um, no.


39 posted on 02/25/2013 2:42:48 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: teppe

Um, no.

There is a reason God gave man a mind. We are not to follow him blindly. Many voices can imitate the Holy Spirit and tell you many things that are not true.

You brought up the Bat Creek rick for a reason. Sadly for the LDS it is also reason that makes it a non starter.

Again.


40 posted on 02/25/2013 2:48:41 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: teppe

BTW, what is it in the Nicene Creed that is wrong.

I have asked that of Mormons before and gotten nothing.


41 posted on 02/25/2013 2:50:12 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: teppe
Sounds a lot like the Book of Mormon to me.

Doesn't EVERYTHING?

42 posted on 02/25/2013 9:06:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
Discovered in 1890 by the Smithsonian Inst. and recently dated to 100 AD.

Do you REALLY wanna go here?

43 posted on 02/25/2013 9:07:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22
Oh indeed, lets check out the Bat Crazy forgery.

Only a HATEful bigot would leave out the middle word!

44 posted on 02/25/2013 9:08:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22
Oh indeed, lets check out the Bat Crazy forgery.

Only a HATEful bigot would leave out the middle word!

45 posted on 02/25/2013 9:11:40 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22


...and I am a MORMON!


46 posted on 02/25/2013 9:12:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: guyfromjrz
Its America, the Puritans came here to escape religious persucution.

Not quite...




 
 
 
Mayflower Compact
 
In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.

 
 
 

47 posted on 02/25/2013 9:14:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: guyfromjrz
I hope people feel the same way of the Catholicism we practice.
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.
. A “elder” asked us if we are “investigating”. I politley said no. That was the end of it.

So; you're the kind of Catholic that'll send a person away without presenting the TRUE gospel of Jesus Christ.

I hope that 'elder' runs into someone that is not ASHAMED of the gospel; and will REBUKE the false teachings of MORMONism.

48 posted on 02/25/2013 9:16:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
Ya know...one of bait & switch things that Lds missionaries engage in is to ask contacts to "pray about the Book of Mormon."

ALL: If you ever have an Lds missionary ask you to do that, ask them, "Which one?"

Ask THEM if they've prayed about qwhich parts of the KJV are UNTRUE.

That should raise their eyebrows!

Ask if they've 'prayed' to see if the D&C's are 'true' - the PGP as well; is IT 'true'.

49 posted on 02/25/2013 9:19:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: guyfromjrz
But hey, for me, whatever makes ya happy and it doesn’t affect me, live it up.

You're pitiful!

50 posted on 02/25/2013 9:19:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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