Skip to comments.FOUR MARKS OF THE TRUE CHURCH
Posted on 03/02/2013 9:41:30 AM PST by NKP_Vet
If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.
The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, CCC 813822) Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:2332). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.
His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2).
Although some Catholics dissent from officially-taught doctrines, the Churchs official teachersthe pope and the bishops united with himhave never changed any doctrine. Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, the Church comes to understand them more deeply (John 16:1213), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant.
The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:2527, Rev. 19:78, CCC 823829) By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesnt mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:2123).
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I’m confused, where is the mark for homosexual clergy & pedophile enabling? Or would that be the mark of the beast? Catholic supremacists need to clean their own house before they elevate themselves by denigrating others.
Since the Church is not the members then, what exactly is the Church?
Serious question in response to the contention that Christ only commissioned one Church. Doesn’t the Catholic Church have various “rites,” its own version of Denominations? And doesn’t the RCC recognize the Orthodox Church as legitimate even though the OC doesn’t recognize the authority of the Pope or the RCC hierarchy?
Seems a little inconsistent to me. One of many inconsistencies.
Jesus gave the identifying mark at John 13:35, his disciples would have among themselves. The Catholic church fails.
Is it in your church. Sexual abuse is higher in Protestant Churches, homes, schools. The Catholic Church is way down on the scale. Look it up.
Were Catholics killed in England?
Were Catholics killed in France?
Were Catholics killed in Germany?
Were Catholics killed in Turkey?
Were Catholics killed in Egypt?
Are Catholics being killed in middle Eastern countries?
Nothing in the Bible would indicate this except by the most twisting of Scripture. Jesus was born a Jew, lived like a Jew and died like a Jew. Neither He nor His disciples lived in a Roman Vatican palace. They did not keep Sunday as their holy day even though they preached on that day as well as other days of the week. No disciple was declared Pope nor wore a funny hat and was treated like they were any better than any other person (no ring kissing)(further more no rings). I could go on but you get my drift.
Your ignorance of early church history is staggering.......why dont you and your fellow anti catholics actually read the church fathers, and note ths catholicity of HIS appointed church......
They appear more like the Roman army who were in ‘control’ over them - right down to their headdress.
We've read 'em...But apparently unlike you, we read the words of God in the scriptures as well...
That's how we can reject your religion...We know what God says about it...
Stop right there. Who said I'm anti-catholic? I am against their false teachings not against the members themselves.
Really? Your answer is “ we have less homosexual priests and pedophiles & pedophile enabling than the other churches so we are ok/the true church.”
I am POSITIVE that any church that has an entrenched homosexual clerical group should not be casting stones. If the recent report is true ( & no reason to think it is not), the RCC has a serious rot that compromises it completely. The RCC has a homosexual lobby within its power structure. They recruit & actively seek to advance a homosexual first, Catholic second agenda. That is an abomination.
The RCC needs to clean house or it will implode. IF the next pope embraces homosexuality, contraception, abortion, female clergy, it is over. It will be the final straw in a heavy load of deviance from Christ that will exclude it & it’s followers from God.
Like a broken record...whenever it is turned on, the needle returns to the same groove.
The touble is, when "the record" is more carefully examined, it can be seen that the comparisons have priests alone on one side, and pastors, sunday school teachers, bus drivers, janitors, just about whomever accused of the same crime if they can be in some way connected to other church groups, on the other side.
This was not only pointed out long ago, it was by explanation and example proven true.
Leaving a case much dependent upon unequal measurement (speaking of "scales") which continues on regards to other aspects.
It goes like this...:
some knuckelhead in an other-than-Roman Catholic Church does something wrong. It is easy enough to find examples of "wrong". That is pointed towards as proof, "see? that church produces "wrong" results!!! We told you! That wouldn't happen if ya'll just be Roman Catholic..."
But when someone anyone Roman Catholic does the same sort of "wrong", well then, it's just that person who is doing it. Not the "church", nor should it be looked towards as being "fruit" of the church, as it was just applied to be towards what can go occur in association to "other than RC" churches.
A recalibration of the instuments used in weighing (scales?) has long been in order...but some around here won't be having any of that, no sir-ee!
“IF the next pope embraces homosexuality, contraception, abortion, female clergy, it is over”.
Catholic dogma does not change. It makes no difference whatsover who the Pope is, The Holy Scriptures remain the same. You are not talking about a show of hands to determine what is right and wrong. Catholic Church dogma remains the same, after 2,000 years. What Jesus started does not change. The below words of JP2 concerning women ordination can also be applied to homosexuality, contraception, abortion, etc.
“On Reserving Priestly Ordination to Men Alone,” is remarkable for its bluntness and the absolute authority that John Paul asserts “in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance.”
“I declare that the church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held for all the church’s faithful,” he writes in the letter.
Fundamentals of their faith make it impossible to ordain women as priests, the Pope tells his bishops, noting that Jesus “acted in a completely free and sovereign manner” in selecting only men as his apostles—the first priests.”
No pope will ever do that. However, it is very possible that the next pope will quietly tolerate those encroachments. And there is no doctrine preventing the next pope from wholehearted embrace of socialism, which will be a wink and nod to the practitioners of those other sins regardless of 'official' pronouncements.
What false teachings?
What Pope has embraced homosexuality?
The Catholic Church has been the one and only Church that has stood against
embryonic stem cell research.
Where do you ge your false information? From a pastor who hates the Catholic Church? From comics? From pamplets?
Your point being?
I can't imagine that happening. Yet it has in *some* other church settings, bringing serious problems...with acceptance of contraception being the singularly most widespread.
If there is any good news along those lines, the information is spreading among those whom that care to look, that much of the time the "preventative" purpose or idea of birth control pills often is missed, with the egg not being prevented from attaching in the first place, but is instead loosed and lost AFTER conception has in fact occured, resulting in the common pill becoming an abortificant.
As to another aspect you mention;
There is clear enough evidence there was a concentration of RC homo-priest "teachers" in one school in Minnesota, having been somewhat cultivated while also hidden, yet steps have been taken to correct that...even as much of the rest of the culture we are living in is running headlong towards not only acceptance of gay fagginess, but it's being forced upon the rest of us.
Which is worse? Hidden sin, or sin run amuck, sin openly flaunting itself with no shame whatsoever?
Going back in the OT, we can see homo activity earning the death penalty. Yet so was adultry, ordered to be punished with death by stoning. In the NT, Christ spoke of a man, if looking upon a woman (not his wife?) as to having carnal relations with her, then that man has commited adultry within his own heart...
Woe is us. I don't know where I can go when the time comes that the stones will begin falling from the sky. Perhaps I'll miss that particular phase, not living long enough to see that.
Still, the Lord Himself revealed to me directly, in no uncertain terms, that I myself will be forcefully taken into His presence, by His own power. That there was a strong sense of restrained fury in Him when He did so, isn't exactly totally comforting towards my own fleshly preference of taking it easy, or being lackadaisical in regards to my own life in general.
There will be a reckoning for us all.
For those that have been sought after by Christ, know that we have been bought and paid for with a price.
How can we plead the blood if we reject it? And no, I'm not talking about questions as towards the cup as in RC communion ceremony, which in many instance is drank from only by the priests (some of them queer as 3-dollar Joseph Smith funny money).
If the shed blood of Christ be the only pleading we have, what value shall we ourselves place upon the blood?
It is freely given. After baptism (both of water and of Spirit, John 3:5), we simpy must partake of it. It is the only hope we have of overcoming the sin that lives within. Romans 7.
Please forgive me, if I'm preaching to the choir, for I'm not saying here anything new, that's for sure!
I also have been reciting a short prayer for the election of the pope — not nearly as elegant as yours — as I assume many Catholics have.
Is this impression I get, true?
Then why not keep it objective? Why personalize it by mocking attire with a "funny hat" remark? Do you criticize Jews for wearing a skull cap similar in appearance to that worn by the pope and Catholic bishops? Or othodox headwear such as the mitre which can look similar to Catholic mitres? I've often seen Martin Luther depicted with a "funny hat." Is he fair game for ridicule too?
Do you criticize nonCatholic clergy whose attire resembles that of Catholic clergy? I'm thinking specifically of the stole. Whether it is of Roman or other origin, it became a sign of Catholic holy orders (ordination to the priesthood or diaconate). The nondenominational pastor I listen to every Sunday wears a stole. So did the pastor in the congregation in which I was raised. So do a huge number of other protestant pastors. Do you criticize their attire too?
Peace be with you.
They are the One True Church for one.
Peter was the first Pope for another.
The selling of indulgences overshadows the money changers in the Temple whom Jesus ran out.
I could go on . . . but to what purpose?
Not usually, no. I have other problems with them that bother me more.
Apparently all of them as well as all Catholics...It's pretty well proven you have queers at all levels of your clergy even within the cardinal hierarchy...
Either your popes are against queers in your cardinaldom or he isn't...Silence on the matter doesn't count...You are either for or against...
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
If Catholics do not speak out about their queer priests and cardinals who are still priests and cardinals, you are for them...There is no in between...
Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
When it comes to queers, there is no in between with Jesus...And there isn't any with you guys...
Really??? Then why are there queer cardinals??? Maybe some of the apostles were queers too???
Most Catholics I know don’t read the bible. What’s up with that?
Good observation. IMHO, we have a foot that is upset that the hand isn't a foot like themselves, and has set it upon themselves to declare the hand is anti-foot!
Folks, when we have people who want to slit our throats and Christians are being persecuted as we speak, it seems childish for Christians to be bashing each other in a “my church vs your church” manner. We all have our differences but have more similarities than differences. The Catholic Church has been here for 2k years and isn’t going anywhere. Protestant denominations have some Godly attributes, and the bottom line is this: any man or woman who believes in the Trinity is probably all right with God. It is a symptom of the dynamism of Christianity that we can disagree without resorting to bashing.
Well said, thank you. Peace be with you.
I’ve seen some pretty Bible ignorant Protestants as well. Instead of painting Catholics as Bible illiterate (some are well read), I find it more conducive to good conversation to target the tenets of their religion I find most out of character for Christs Church. I hope the Catholic Church reforms itself to the betterment for its members. You should as well.
Regarding targeting RC doctrines that I find to be anti biblical, I've spend dozens of hours on FR doing that. Ultimately, I just wish "Christians" would read the bible a lot more.
They sure do in New England. I have asked a couple of Catholics who have their head screwed on straight why that is true...they shrug and say "Got me..."
You can't blame an institution for individuals that stray. Jesus associated with prostitutes, tax collectors and thieves. As far as Catholics voting Democrat, not all do. That's too wide of brush you're painting with. With that said a local Catholic Church has a network of services for illegal aliens. I'm sure they think they are doing the right thing. I think the point I'm trying to make is we are individuals. We will be judged as individuals, not by denomination. There won't be a Catholic section and a Protestant section in Heaven. The One True Church won't be on the internet touting itself as just a little better than the other guys.
On historical note, in response to the comment about the next pope condoning contraception...up until the 1930’s...there was no Christian denomination on the planet that didn’t teach that contraception was wrong. The episcipalians caved first...then they all did...and still the Church held its 2000 year old position.
I believe most Catholics vote Democrat.They used to, but that was before the legalization of abortion. However, some refuse to leave the party, anyway. These are Catholics that are not deep in their faith.
No, the Catholic vote is still dependably pro-abortion liberal. It always will be.
But there is in voting, democrats have always depended on the Catholics, and the Protestant vote always went Republican, we see that today as well.
Obama is supported by Catholics, but Protestants reject him.
No, the Catholic vote is still dependably pro-abortion liberal. It always will be.Well, you know what was said by St. Pope Pius V: "All the evil in the world is due to lukewarm Catholics."
There are many lukewarm Christians, but for some reason Catholics have always supported the democrat party, while Protestants have always supported the Republican party, there have been very few deviations from that reality.
“No, the Catholic vote is still dependably pro-abortion liberal. It always will be”
The ignorance on this board concerning the Catholic Church amazes me. Like all other faiths, Church going Catholics vote pro-life, EXACTLY like church going Protestants. The ones that don’t go to church and have no strong faith and collect a welfare check are pretty reliable democratic voters, makes no difference what denomination. The 96% of the black vote that went to Obummer is about 95% evangelical. I was born and raised a Southern Baptist. Five years ago I became Catholic. I didn’t do it on the spur of the moment. I studied for years the history of Christianity and the Church Fathers, and anything I could get my hands on concerning the Holy Scriptures and the Word of God. Anyone that does not believe early Church fathers were Catholic are totally ignorant of church history. Without the Catholic Church there would be no Christianity. Martin Luther was right to want some things corrected in the Church and things were corrected. He never wanted God’s Church to be broken apart. He protested and his followers protested. They are now called PROTESTants. What are they still protesting after 500 years? When I was a baptist I raised hell and told any Catholic I met they were going straight to hell. I knew Catholics back then and never once did a Catholic raise hell at me and tell me I was a no good baptist and I was going straight to hell if I didn’t repent and become Catholic. Why do you think that is? Let me tell you why Catholics don’t put down Protestants? Catholics know the truth and the truth is the Catholic Church. It is the fullness of the christian faith. The majority of protestants are still on a guilt trip and love to rant and rave about Catholics, and false doctrine and the Pope, blah, blah, blah. Why are Catholics so secure in their faith and protestants so insecure? We all know the reason, at least I do. I was baptist for the first 57 years of my life, so don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m taking about. Been there, done that. Peace be with you. I’ll say a prayer for all you Catholic bashers tomorrow at Mass.
“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.”
Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman
Former Angelican, Catholic Convert
Yep, Catholics are overwhelmingly supporters of the left and Protestants support the right.
It is the reality of pro-abortion politics and liberalism in America.
The Catholic vote will remain democrat and liberal forever.
**Catholics are overwhelmingly supporters of the left and Protestants support the right.**
About a half truth. REAL Catholics are totally right. CINOs are the ones of which you speak.
What are you doing about the 95 percent of black protestants that voted for Obama?
**Obama is supported by Catholics, but Protestants reject him.
Why do you insist on speaking half truths?
95 percent of black protestants voted for Obama.
Catholic CINO vote is still dependably pro-abortion liberal. It always will be.