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Penn Jillette Destroys Modernist Cafeteria "Catholic" Piers Morgan
http://www.youtube.com ^ | March 6, 2013 | HetmanWojtek

Posted on 03/07/2013 3:20:53 PM PST by NKP_Vet

The outspoken atheist Penn Jillette destroys the modernist Piers Morgan in a debate on Catholicism and the papacy.


TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: pennjillette; piersmorgan; romancatholicism; unitedkingdom
The atheist sounds like the Catholic and Piers Morgan sounds like the babbling, left-wing lunatic that he is.
1 posted on 03/07/2013 3:20:55 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Penn Jillette is intellectually honest.

He’s also intellectually gifted, and an awesome debater.


2 posted on 03/07/2013 3:24:56 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Even an atheist can see through that crap


3 posted on 03/07/2013 3:33:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Steely Tom

he was wrong on the Boy Scouts I think


4 posted on 03/07/2013 3:34:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: NKP_Vet

Well, I’m not a Catholic - I’m Jewish, but from this exchange I think it is pretty clear that Piers Morgan is not a Catholic either.


5 posted on 03/07/2013 3:39:44 PM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: NKP_Vet
Picking from the two I think I’d rather see Penn Jillette sitting beside me in church than that clown Piers Morgan.
6 posted on 03/07/2013 3:49:15 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: nolongerademocrat
Well, I’m not a Catholic - I’m Jewish, but from this exchange I think it is pretty clear that Piers Morgan is not a Catholic either.

That was my assessment as well.

7 posted on 03/07/2013 3:51:39 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: NKP_Vet

I don’t think Jillette “destroyed” Morgan but, rather, he simply brought him back to the substance of what a confessing Catholic ought to believe. If not, then they are not Catholic. The lie exists when deceivers are allowed to enter into a body and “co-opt” the purpose and direction of that body. Fools like Morgan (not really smart enough to understand subversion) simply provide useful idiot static that resonates with other thoughtless and oh-so-smarmy dolts that want their cake and eat it, too.


8 posted on 03/07/2013 3:54:54 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: NKP_Vet
there are a LOT of different religions out there, so if somebody doesn't agree with the Church... JOIN ANOTHER ONE!!!

they don't call it dogma for nothing, so stop trying to bastardize it and just quit already

9 posted on 03/07/2013 3:57:28 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: NKP_Vet

I see many ‘Piers Morgans’ as Sunday Morning Mass as well as a few on the Altar at some of the Churches I’ve attended.


10 posted on 03/07/2013 4:07:13 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: nolongerademocrat
Jillette is logically explaining what Catholics believe. Catholics give obedience to the Pope and Magisterium as the leaders of the Church, which is Christ's representative and body on Earth after his Ascension. He does not believe in what he is expounding, but Jillette is correct. Morgan is just willfully ignorant. He seems to think of the Church as a social club which one chooses to attend or not, depending on which popular music they are playing that week.
11 posted on 03/07/2013 4:16:12 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Steely Tom

Penn Jillette is one of the few public atheists who’s not in a constant state of misery or outrage.


13 posted on 03/07/2013 4:35:55 PM PST by wrcase
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To: NKP_Vet

I’ve been telling my Cafeteria Catholic acquaintances this for years. Funny to see the same point articulated by an atheist on CNN.


14 posted on 03/07/2013 4:39:46 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: NKP_Vet
That was very good. Thanks for posting this, otherwise I never would have seen it. I avoid Morgan religiously.

This video is helpful for understanding and I find myself in agreement with what I heard from Jillette. Otoh, I have heard many Catholics and atheists alike echoing Morgan almost verbatim.

The Morgans are all too common in this world, but I am surprised to find out he could be so relevant, though perhaps it wasn't him so much as his guest who was relevant.

15 posted on 03/07/2013 4:41:04 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Steely Tom
Penn Jillette is intellectually honest. He’s also intellectually gifted, and an awesome debater.

With the patience of a saint. (or someone saint-like).
Seriously, I saw him on a clip from ... I'm going to say "The View", but they're all alike ... and the women kept interrupting and jumping on his statements and he kept to his message and his argument, neither taking the bait nor raising his voice to match their shrillness. He stayed cool throughout. You have to admire that in an age when every debate is a shout-fest of zingers.

16 posted on 03/07/2013 4:42:37 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Yup. If Piers Morgan doesn’t like what the Catholic church teaches, he’s more than free to leave. No one is stopping him.

Come to think of it, the same could be said to him about his opposition to our Constitutionally protected guns...

Just my two bits.


17 posted on 03/07/2013 4:44:00 PM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: NKP_Vet

It is abundantly clear that Morgan cannot think critically or rationally at all on any topic.


18 posted on 03/07/2013 4:44:02 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: NKP_Vet

Morgan’s thinking that the Eternal Church should change with the times is in line with his thinking that the Second Amendment can be ‘reinterpreted’ out of existence.


19 posted on 03/07/2013 4:45:27 PM PST by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: MeganC

Yup. That’s Progressivism for ya’; Through force, bullying, and fiat, they want to change everything to their own liking, without any regard for those who are happy with the way things are.

Cheers!


20 posted on 03/07/2013 4:56:24 PM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: GeronL

Absolutely. Bright guy, but horribly wrong on some issues.


21 posted on 03/07/2013 5:05:24 PM PST by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: JWinNC

Yes but if all athiests were like Penn Jillette, I would want to live in that world.


22 posted on 03/07/2013 5:12:07 PM PST by GraceG
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To: NKP_Vet

Piers makes a career out of getting destroyed. The only reason anyone watches him is to see him jumping off the cliff once again.


23 posted on 03/07/2013 5:24:07 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Chode

Exactly! I don’t get people who do that. It’s like joining the chess club then bringing a pack of cards and trying to start a poker game.


24 posted on 03/07/2013 5:33:32 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye
LOL... great analogy!!!
25 posted on 03/07/2013 5:49:42 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Worse, people like Morgan want the chess club to say “poker has always been part of playing chess or should have been.”


26 posted on 03/07/2013 6:07:06 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye
ain't that the truth...
27 posted on 03/07/2013 6:10:41 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: NKP_Vet
TO: Piers Morgan:



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEzNZ3vCQAEDP_7.jpg:large
28 posted on 03/07/2013 6:16:15 PM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: NKP_Vet

First, Penn recognizes that the Pope does not always speak at the highest level of infallibility. Then, he accepts Piers’ misrepresentation of the church’s social teachings as being at the highest level of infallibility. In fact, several of the things Piers throws out there, e.g., celibate priesthood, have been described as honored traditions of the church. I don’t hold Penn responsible either for knowing the difference between honored traditions and infallible teachings, or for knowing the nuance between degrees of infallibility. It could be that Penn was simply engaging Piers in banter on Piers’ terms.

I think it is entirely acceptable for Catholics to pray for the church in matters that are merely tradition, as long as they also pray for patience. Possibly one Pope will discuss celibacy as a honored tradition so that a subsequent Pope, a century later, might make some exceptions to the rule of celibacy in certain extraordinary condition, so that yet another Pope might regularize the matter. When you’re in the church business for a couple thousand years, you don’t have to rush into anything.

I think it is also acceptable for Catholic to pray for the church in matters that have a less than the highest level of infallibility. Through two thousand years, there are only a small number of pronouncements deemed to have this highest level of infallibility. For example, the doctrine that Jesus was fully man and was fully God. Interestingly, none of these involve the social teachings of the church, upon which Piers dwells.

But Piers is not showing any consideration for the importance of tradition in leading a flock of a billion people, of wide ranging education and economic circumstances. People who don’t need the church, personally, to lead happy and productive lives should not be so critical of the church. Rather, they should be helpful.

Getting back to Penn, he kind of misrepresented Luther by ascribing to him an individual interpretation of the Bible. Luther did indeed support the widespread dissemination of the Bible, and the teaching of reading to every child capable of learning. But, he also taught disobedience to the state was a mortal sin. His freedom of consciousness was, shall we say, limited.


29 posted on 03/07/2013 6:20:36 PM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks NKP_Vet.


30 posted on 03/07/2013 6:38:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: NKP_Vet

I heard a story once where when Teller was signing autographs or some such thing a man walked up to him and told him he was a big fan and a christian and asked if he did not mind if he could give him a gospel tract that detailed his christan testimony. Teller said that no he did not mind and in fact according to the story Teller said he does not mind people who are christians who believe Christ is the only way to God sharing their testimony.


31 posted on 03/07/2013 7:40:20 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: NKP_Vet

Wow


32 posted on 03/07/2013 8:34:54 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: wrcase
Penn Jillette is one of the few public atheists who’s not in a constant state of misery or outrage.

Beck has been working on him. He said that when they first met, Penn was very hostile. Now, not so much.

33 posted on 03/07/2013 8:50:40 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Here is Penn’s take on that story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhG-tkQ_Q2w


34 posted on 03/07/2013 8:56:19 PM PST by wingtip (Tea Time)
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To: Redmen4ever

When Morgan said Jesus never said anything about women not being ordained he was showing his ignorance again of the faith, if he has any at all. JP2 was asked the same thing a few years ago ago; was asked why there are no women priests, and could he might change that doctrine. His answer was he could not change what Christ had started. He said Christ chose 12 men to be the his first apostles, and the church has no authority to change what Christ has instituted. End of discussion.


35 posted on 03/07/2013 9:37:51 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: GBA

“I avoid Morgan religiously.”


Your unintentional pun made me chuckle.


36 posted on 03/07/2013 10:35:38 PM PST by married21
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To: NKP_Vet

More on interview. Read the comments.

http://blog.newadvent.org/2013/03/watch-this-outspoken-atheist-penn.html


37 posted on 03/08/2013 7:08:24 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

And among these 12, at least one was a married men. Thus, a celibate priesthood is only an honored tradition in the Catholic Church. John Paul II affirmed both that the unmarried priest helps to represent Christ who was himself unmarried, and that this being unmarried is not essential to the priesthood.

As to whether the reservation of priesthood to male is inviolate, it is a matter of church doctrine and, hence, a much more serious matter, and no movement can be expected any time soon. But, it is not the highest level of church law. Conceivably, the issue might be addressed in the future. But, it would be wrong to be anxious about the matter.


38 posted on 03/08/2013 11:19:52 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Redmen4ever

“And among these 12, at least one was a married men”

I didn’t mention this. Priests could intend be married and many Catholic priests are, depending on the circumstances. This is not dogma of the Church, just a determination made hundreds of years ago. But there will be no women priests, for the reason that JP2 articulated.


39 posted on 03/08/2013 4:03:51 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I’m praying that a “Little Bird” is working on Penn Jillette. And maybe the scales will fall from his eyes.


40 posted on 03/10/2013 5:12:00 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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Bookmarking


41 posted on 03/10/2013 5:13:39 PM PDT by RandallFlagg
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To: wingtip

Yet see the comments on the video (Penn’s description of the person who gave him a new testament - nothing vile). The most angry comments were from other angry atheists.


42 posted on 03/10/2013 5:21:13 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Wow, you heard Teller speak? ... Kool


43 posted on 03/10/2013 5:30:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

No, my pastor told this stoet in a sermon and as I recall he showed a video. It was probably the one referenced.


44 posted on 03/10/2013 8:23:57 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: MHGinTN

Teller doesn’t speak during his act... but he is capable of speech.

http://youtu.be/TgtgOs_OkTU


45 posted on 03/14/2013 3:47:47 AM PDT by eaglescout1998
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To: eaglescout1998

My point was that Teller was not playing a part at that time. When he speaks he’s being the really great down-to-earth guy he is at heart. To get to expereince that side of men like Teller, or Penn Jillette for that matter, is a special occasion.


46 posted on 03/14/2013 9:05:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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