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To: American Constitutionalist
Have you never read and understood John 14-17 and the importance of the Spirit of Truth whom Yeshua Messiah sends to us, to teach us, to guide us in order that we may walk our His truth?

Have you never read and understood Yeshua Messiah's words,

Joh 14:10 “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak from Myself. But the Father who stays in Me does His works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, otherwise believe Me because of the works themselves. 12 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he shall do also." (See 1Pet 2:21-22)

Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands. (See Ex. 20:6, vv. 21&23, 1 John 5:2-3, 2 John v. 6) 16 And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever – 17 the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you."

Joh 14:20 “In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you."

So much for the big lie being promulgated that "He did it all so we do not have to because we are temporarily in this corruptible flesh". The Word of God put on corruptible flesh to prove to us that we can overcome, but not of ourselves, but of the Spirit of Truth that is sent to those who truly believe in Him. Where there is no trust in His Spirit of Truth, there the branches do not bear fruit because they prove that the seed of the Word of God is not truly in them for them to hear the words,

"Well done good and trustworthy servant"

. So, since we are servants, then who is our Master? Is it not written that we are slaves to whom we serve? So if one chooses to obey Messiah and serve the Father as He served the Father and commanded us to do likewise, how can there be any condemnation in that?

Joh 3:36 “He who believes (G4100) in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey (G544) the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

KJV: Joh 3:36 He that believeth G4100 on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth G544 not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

G4100 pisteuō = From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

G544 apeitheō = From G545; to disbelieve (willfully and perversely): - not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving. So according to Hoggard's own bible translation, Hoggard is an unbelieving false prophet because he does not obey the Word of God. Hoggard's own "pure word of God according to Hoggard" convicts Hoggard but yet Hoggard refuses to see because of the darkness that he walks in out of his rejection of God's Spirit of Truth.

218 posted on 07/18/2013 7:57:42 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin

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219 posted on 07/21/2013 3:56:24 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: patlin
Jesus Christ Yeshua Messiah says to use those who have a ear let him hear, and those who have eyes let him see.

Can't walk in the spirit unless you deny self, deny self efforts, walking in the flesh..... i.e. works, trying to justify your self before God by keeping the law... i.e. works.
Did Jesus Christ God in the flesh whom is the one who gave the law break the law when the religious leaders saw him and his disciples eating corn in the field on the Sabbath ?
Yes ? or No ?

According to your standard, Yeshua Messiah broke the 10 Commandments.


Many things and miracles Jesus Yeshuah had done on the Sabbath, did he break the Sabbath ?

if he did ? he would not have qualified to have been the Messiah, or Savior.


What I believe ? how could be have broke the Sabbath commandment ? when ? he was the one who gave the law.
Also ? He even said himself that the Sabbath was " MADE " for the man... and not the other way around.

God wants us at rest.

Jesus Christ Yeshua Messiah told the religious leaders that man was not made for the Sabbath even though God gave that commandment as one of the 10 commandments, but rather, the Sabbath was made for the man to rest.

I ask you ?

Can you ? obtain that goal ?

The high standard that God has set to obtain the righteousness that God requires to be accepted into the Kingdom of God and into Heaven ?


This is what Jesus Christ Yeshua Messiah said about that and I'll even use the NIV.
Youngs Translation

and the King James.


New International Version

For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Young's Literal Translation

`For I say to you, that if your righteousness may not abound above that of the scribes and Pharisees, ye may not enter to the reign of the heavens.

King James

For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees , ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



What is the spirit saying to you in this verse ?

What is these words of Jesus Christ Jeshua Messiah saying to you ?
What does it mean ?


I think it's clear as day what this verse and these words of the LORD is saying.

It's saying it's impossible to achieve that high standard that God requires of us on our own in our flesh by keeping the law.

There has to be another way.

And that is ? the blood atonement.

Nothing but the blood of Jesus Christ Yeshua Messiah.

There is no other way that a man or women can enter into the Kingdom of God and Heaven..

Must be born again, Must be born again, Must be born again, Must be born again.... how many times does it have to be said to make it clear to people ?

Unless ?

They are blinded by the devil to not receive " THE TRUTH ".



Patlin ? does your own righteousness exceed even that of the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus's day ?

Yes or no ?



Let him who has ears let him hear, and let him who has eyes let him see.


He who has ears let him hear what the spirit is saying to the Church.


The devil has people blinded to think that they can achieve immortality by keeping the law, to enter into heaven by their words...


The devil has people blinded to think that God would accept them into heaven by their works or obtain salvation by their works, and justification by their works, by keeping the law.


Nothing but the blood of Yeshua Messiah.

There would be no need of a Messiah or Savior if people could have obtain salvation and justification by their works.

They could NOT be cleaned of their sins if it was by the law, by their works.


What's the point then ? for God to have sent Yeshua Messiah if ? all men and women had to do was keep the law ?

In Romans chapter 8 even Paul says that the LAW was weak because of human flesh.

Those who try to earn their salvation by their works or keeping the law deny Christ.

Those who think that their works will get them into heaven deny the Christ, the Messiah,

and ?

Will be fooled by the anti-Christ when he comes.


The basic principle of the anti-Christ's false religion will be upon " WORKS " .



The difference between the true Messiah Yeshua who was born over 2000 years ago by a " VIRGIN " woman ? ( the NIV bible does not say he was born of a " VIRGIN BIRTH " so I just wanted to let you know that ) and between the false messiah whom the devil sets up to rule this world ?

The main difference ? God's Grace....


The anti-Christ means just that.

Against everything that Christ Yeshua stood for and was sent for.


It's strange ? isn't it ?

All the other false religions of this world: i.e. Islam, Buddhism, are based upon ? WORKS...

Once the false prophets of Christianity get Christians who are NOT saved into a " WORKS " based religion,

then ? and only then ?

Will all the other religions and the fake Christianity will be meshed into a ONE WORLD RELIGION that will be ruled and headed by the anti-christ.


The devil, the anti-Christ would have you believe that you don't need Christ, Yeshua Messiah to get into heaven, to be accepted of God, they want you to believe it's based upon how good you live your lives, how good you keep the law, how many " WORKS " you have done.... but ? the LORD will say to those who say " LORD LORD " he will say " I NEVER KNEW YOU " .

220 posted on 07/21/2013 4:48:32 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: patlin
What does the word " CHRIST " mean ?

It comes from the Greek word " christos " the meaning, anointed, chosen.
It has the same meaning as the Hebrew word " mashiach " i.e. Messiah.

But wait a minute ? isn't the false messiah, the anti-Christ supposed to set him self up as a messiah ?

The problem is ? the one that is to come, the anti-Christ is not " ANOINTED and CHOSEN " of God.

Jesus Christ Yeshua Messiah was the ONLY ONE who was " ANOINTED " to redeem and save his people.

How did he do that ? not by the law, he did it by being crucified on the cross.... i.e. the blood atonement that God required.

What is the false messiah ? the anti-Christ ? ( i.e. the one who is NOT anointed by GOD, the one who is NOT chosen by GOD ) .......

The anti-Christ is just that.... anti, against, counter, a counterfeit, the one who sets him self up and deny's everything that Yeshua Messiah has done.

The anti-Christ will be against the blood atonement and God's free grace...

That's how you can recognize the spirit of the anti-Christ... those who are dogmatic against the blood atonement and God's free grace.... and those who deny that Christ has come in the flesh, and that Yeshua Messiah was GOD actually in the flesh.

The false prophets will proclaim that there has to be " WORKS " to enter heaven, there has to be " WORKS " to be accepted by GOD.

The devil and the anti-Christ hates the blood atonement and God's free grace...
221 posted on 07/21/2013 6:58:39 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: patlin
I find it so amazing how the law preachers, the law teachers are so preoccupied by other people's sins and not their own... does not the bible tell us that to " WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION " ?
He that is without sin cast the first stone.... isn't that what Jesus told us ?


So ? are you so perfect in keeping the commandments that you deserve more than others for God to let you into heaven ? yes or no ?


Ohh yeah ?

The part in : John 14:10 “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me?

( He was asking them a question, do you not believe that I and the father are one ? he was asking them ? do you believe that he was in the father and the father was in him ?
He was saying that both him and the father are one, it has nothing to do with keeping the law ).

The words that I speak to you I do not speak from Myself.
But the Father who stays in Me does His works.

( What works ? the law preachers would have us think and believe that this is keeping the law, the 10 commandments.)
( But wait a minute ? how about when Jesus and his disciples were eating corn in the field on the holy Sabbath ? how can you explain that patlin ? how ?)

11. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me >
( Once again, Yeshua was saying that he and the father are one.
( Jesus Christ is GOD in the flesh, this has nothing to do with keeping the law )
Otherwise believe Me because of the works themselves.

( ahh, the law preachers and law teachers would have us to believe this is about keeping the 10 commandments.)
( This has nothing to do with keeping the 10 commandments.)
( It has to do with the signs and miracles that the Christ will do to prove that he is the " ANOINTED ONE ).
( this word works here means that the works, signs, miracles, that he is the one ).
( John the baptist asked ? is he the one ? is this the Christ, the messiah that we have been waiting for ?
That news got back to Jesus and he told them to tell John that ? the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk.)

12. Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he shall do also.

( works, i.e. miracles, ).
I believe you have a failed understanding in how to interpret the scriptures.

Are you a Jehovah Witness ? Mormon ? 7th Day Adventist ?

222 posted on 07/21/2013 7:23:59 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: patlin
So then ?

You want everyone to see how " HOLY " and " RIGHTEIOUS " you are by being so dogmatic in keeping the holy Sabbath...

According the ancient Hebrew laws.. the commandment of the Sabbath.... your not suppose to do any work... opps, there's that word again.. work.
Your not even suppose to walk a certain distance on the Sabbath day.

Let's see how well you REALLY keep God's holy commandment and we will only focus on the commandment of the Sabbath.

Let's see now ?

Do you get up in the morning and get out bed ? that's work.... broke the Sabbath right there.
Do you cook food on the Sabbath ? broke the Sabbath right there.
Do you get in the car and drive to the store on the Sabbath ? broke the Sabbath right there.
If you own a farm and the horse or animals got lose and had to find them and put them back in it's barn ? you broke the Sabbath.
Do you clean the house on the Sabbath ? broke the Sabbath right there.


We can even get into the other commandments...

Thou shall not covet thy neighbors property or anything your neighbor owns.

Let's see now how perfect you really are.

Do you wish you had a nice and newer car like so and so has ? right there you broke that commandment.
Do you wish you had a nicer and newer house like so and so has ? right there you broke the commandment.
Have you ever said NO to your father and mother ? or had a disagreement with them ? right there you broke that commandment.
Wow... it's getting really really hard to live by the law, isn't it ?
Have you ate pork ? unclean meats ? right there you broke the dietary laws of the Hebrews.
Jesus Christ healed people on the Sabbath, did he broke the 10 Commandments ? for the bible tells us that if we broke just one law or commandment, we are guilty of braking ALL the law.
SO now ? are you that perfect for God to allow you into heaven and into the Kingdom of God ?

Certainly NOT !

You are just as guilty of braking God's holy laws as are the rest of us... no one is exempt.. no one can escape.
You live by the law ? you shall keep ALL the law... and you can't brake any part of it.

Your not saved, or have salvation if you are trying to earn your salvation by works.
Salvation alone comes by Jesus Christ and his blood atonement......
224 posted on 07/21/2013 7:55:11 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: patlin
All those bible verses you are trying to show me ? guess what ? it's taking about you, yes, you personally.


God's holy law pertains to you too... your not exempt to keep it.

Actually ?

In God's word ? he's asking you, yes, you how well you keep his law ? his commandments since you are so dogmatic in keeping them.

Guess what ?

The Nation of Israel could not keep them perfectly either, so what makes you so special from Israel and the 6 Billion of other people on this planet ?

God's law was to show us how GUILTY all of us are before him.. and the history of the nation of Israel proves and shows that we could not keep it perfectly as God wanted us to keep it... so ? there had to be another way.

Yes, that's right.... everything you have shown me ?

All the bible verses you trow at me ?

Guess what ?

They are pointing back to you, so what makes you so special that you are exempt from them ?

I never claimed I was exempt from God's laws or God's commandments,,, I am GUILTY before GOD.... that's what being poor in the spirit means.. once pride is gone ? you can clearly see.

I am not exempt from God's laws, but, I am delivered from it's penalty of it in Jesus Christ's redemption.

Those who are in Christ are delievered from the " CURSE " of the law.

The law preachers and teachers love to say " Grace does not give you excuse to sin " but, they them selves also have SIN in their lives also, but don't want other people to see it because they want people to see how HOLY they are, or how " RIGHTEOUS " they are, rather, it's self righteiousness in which GOD hates, it's called : PRIDE.

Yup, Pride and hypocrisy.... a mask.... to pretend how " HOLY " you are, to pretend how " RIGHTEOUS " you are, while secret sins abide.
That's how the law preachers, and law preachers live, they are so dogmatic about the law and " OTHER PEOPLE'S " sins, but yet ? they got sins in their own lives that they don't want other people to see because they want to appear " HOLY " and RIGHTEOUS " before other people because of their pride....

That there, is the truth.
225 posted on 07/21/2013 8:17:44 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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