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Cardinal Dolan eager for conclave to start
cna ^ | March 10, 2013 | David Uebbing

Posted on 03/10/2013 3:01:07 PM PDT by NYer

Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan enters Nostra Signora di Guadalupe on March 10, 2013. Credit: Christina Senour/CNA.

Vatican City, Mar 10, 2013 / 09:15 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan told the press outside Our Lady of Guadalupe parish in Rome that he is anxious for the conclave to begin and that he feels peaceful now that the start date is known.

“I’m anxious to get started. There was a sense of peace once we decided to start the conclave on Tuesday. … God willing, I’ll be home before Palm Sunday,” he said as he went into his titular parish on March 10.

The action in Rome shifted today from the Vatican to the various churches throughout the city that the cardinals received when they were elevated. Many of the cardinals celebrated Mass at these parishes to spend time with the people of God before they enter into the conclave on Tuesday afternoon.

CNA had personnel at several of the churches and the amount of buzz surrounding the different potential Popes was observable by the size of the media pack that held vigil at their Masses.

At Our Lady of Guadalupe parish, Cardinal Dolan made his way into the packed church, greeting members of the press and the congregation with his trademark charm.

After greeting the pastor, his brother priests and the faithful, Cardinal Dolan began his homily by saying, “Listen, this is our secret, after Saint Patrick’s cathedral in New York City, this is my favorite church,” which was met with a round of applause.

He also urged the parishioners to pray for “we cardinals rely on the prayers of all the People of God.”

At Our Lady of Victory parish in the heart of Rome, Cardinal Séan P. O’Malley was also greeted by a large media presence, and interestingly, there were many Italian outlets on site.

Cardinal O’Malley delivered his homily in Italian and then offered some brief remarks in English. He called upon the Holy Spirit to descend on the cardinals as they choose a new Pope.

The cardinals will hold one final general meeting on Monday morning, giving the last people on the list a chance to speak. Later that evening, the sound technicians who will assist the conclave will take their oath of secrecy.

On Tuesday at 10:00 a.m. all of the cardinals will gather in St. Peter’s Basilica to celebrate Mass for the Election of a New Pope.

At around 5:00 p.m. the cardinals will enter into the conclave and take another oath of secrecy that is specific to that process.

The first vote for the successor to Benedict XVI will take place that evening and the first chance to see smoke will be around 7:00 p.m.  



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events
KEYWORDS: conclave; dolan; vatican

1 posted on 03/10/2013 3:01:07 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
For the benefit of non-Catholic visitors, upon their elevation, each cardinal is assigned a titular church in Rome. Our Lady of Guadalupe is the titular church assigned to Timothy Cardinal Dolan.

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2 posted on 03/10/2013 3:02:58 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

My pastor’s Laetare Sunday vestments are hot-pinker than Cdl. Dolan’s!


3 posted on 03/10/2013 3:05:31 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Don't panic until Rrrod panics.)
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To: NYer
Timothy Cardinal Dolan.

I'll bet his birth certificate doesn't say that.

4 posted on 03/10/2013 3:08:29 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Tax-chick

Not pink, but rose.....supposedly. But many say pink.

Laetare Sunday — Lent
Gaudete Sunday — Advent

The rose chausible is worn only two times during the entire year.


5 posted on 03/10/2013 3:09:04 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Oh, I know it’s “rose,” but a pink by any other name ...

I think our retired Fr. Hawker took his shrieking-fuschia set back to Boston with him, because the current shade is subdued by comparison.


6 posted on 03/10/2013 3:10:22 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Don't panic until Rrrod panics.)
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To: humblegunner

Get a life. Please go to a Protestant or Baptist thread. This is HIS NAME NOW....deal with it.


7 posted on 03/10/2013 3:46:30 PM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: NYer

I have a feeling that Benedict will pass very soon.


8 posted on 03/10/2013 3:48:24 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

I just learned today that Pope John Paul II died on Divine Mercy Sunday. Wow!


9 posted on 03/10/2013 3:54:23 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Also Elen’s birthday, and she took John Paul for her Confirmation name. Mine is Helena, which was Sister Faustina’s birth name, just to keep it all thematic.


10 posted on 03/10/2013 3:57:32 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Don't panic until Rrrod panics.)
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To: Ann Archy
This is HIS NAME NOW....deal with it.

So it's like the witness protection program?

11 posted on 03/10/2013 3:59:43 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
I just learned today that Pope John Paul II died on Divine Mercy Sunday. Wow!
Here's some more info:
Pope Dies on Vigil of Divine Mercy Sunday
Feast Establish by John Paul II

VATICAN CITY, APRIL 2, 2005 (Zenit.org).- John Paul II's final days coincided with the Church's preparation to celebrate the feast he described as flowing from Christ's "most profound mercy," and which he himself established. John Paul II designated the second Sunday of Easter to be Divine Mercy Sunday in a surprise announcement at the canonization of Sister Faustina Kowalska (1905-1938). The Polish nun, beatified in 1993, and canonized in 2000, on the second Sunday of Easter, began the spiritual movement of Divine Mercy.

The feast, said the Holy Father, "is a perpetual invitation to the Christian world to address, with trust in divine benevolence, the difficulties and trials that await the human race in the coming years."

The essence of St. Faustina's mission was to proclaim God's mercy toward every human being. Her spiritual legacy to the Church is devotion to Divine Mercy, inspired by a vision in which Jesus himself asked that a painting be made of his image with the invocation "Jesus, I trust in you" appearing below. She commissioned the painting in 1935.

Cardinal Karol Wojtyla, then Archbishop of Krakow, began Sister Faustina's process of beatification.

On Aug. 17, 2003, John Paul II entrusted the world to Divine Mercy when he dedicated the new shrine of Lagiewniki, a suburb of Krakow, located next to the convent where St. Faustina Kowalska lived and died. --http://www.ewtn.com/johnpaul2/_mourning/news/index2.asp

12 posted on 03/10/2013 4:05:09 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: NYer

Chaput, Chaput, Chaput!!!


13 posted on 03/10/2013 4:05:17 PM PDT by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: diamond6
Chaput, Chaput, Chaput!!!

I'm with you. I like Chaput! (oops, didn't mean that to rhyme) Hopefully our new pope will make him a cardinal.

God willing, I’ll be home before Palm Sunday...

Palm Sunday?! This is my first conclave as a Catholic. How many days of inaugural (wrong word, I'm sure) masses will there be for the new pope? And will there be anything done to tone it down (in a festive sense) in keeping with the lenten season?

14 posted on 03/10/2013 4:20:17 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: Ann Archy; humblegunner; Tax-chick
>> Get a life. Please go to a Protestant or Baptist thread. This is HIS NAME NOW....deal with it. <<

I'm a lifelong Catholic and I happen to agree with humblegunner that its silly to use the title "Cardinal" between the person's first and last name, as if it was their middle name or something.

It makes no logical sense to put a title in the middle and it's not used for any other Catholic clergical titles, let alone secular titles. Nobody says "Thomas Reverend Smith", "Ed Deacon Jones", "Fulton Bishop J. Sheen", "John Pope Paul II", etc.

So I'm going to be consistent with ALL the other titles on the planet and say "Cardinal Timothy Dolan", not "Timothy Cardinal Dolan". The Catholic Church says it's perfectable acceptable to say Cardinal first.

Deal with it.

15 posted on 03/10/2013 4:36:51 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; humblegunner; Ann Archy; Anoreth

I find the “Firstname CARDINAL Lastname” thing kind of goofy, too, although I understand it has some history, like “George Gordon LORD Byron” and “Alfred LORD Tennyson.”

I’ve always figured one is safe calling them all “Sir,” just as with all the military officers, in various states of intoxication, who populated my early life.


16 posted on 03/10/2013 4:51:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Don't panic until Rrrod panics.)
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To: BillyBoy
All of this foolishness doesn't make sense, all these guys in monkey suits and dresses, why don't they vote my Internet and save the money spent on hauling their fat ass$^ around??
17 posted on 03/10/2013 4:52:45 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: Tax-chick

I usually go with sir unless they have a bird or some stars on their collars. Then I have to think about their actual ranks and it’s more confusing and alarming.
Last time I met an admiral it was with my entire chain of command there breathing down my neck so that was nice. I managed to carry on a 3 or 4 minute conversation without looking like an idiot. Still quite proud of myself.


18 posted on 03/10/2013 5:00:01 PM PDT by Anoreth (It's not a great party until someone loses rank.)
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To: Anoreth

I’m proud of you, too. They’re all just like your brothers, under the eagles and brass ... only older.


19 posted on 03/10/2013 5:05:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Don't panic until Rrrod panics.)
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To: Sacajaweau
I have a feeling that Benedict will pass very soon.

I was getting that feeling too, after at first being glad for the guy that he could get a break from the strains.

20 posted on 03/10/2013 5:16:35 PM PDT by BlueDragon (If you want vision open your eyes and see you can carry the light with you wherever you go)
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To: Tax-chick
I understand it has some history, like “George Gordon LORD Byron” and “Alfred LORD Tennyson.”

I used to think it was because 'cardo' in Latin means hinge, therefore the title was a hinge between the Christian name and the surname. But I was wrong. When I researched it I found conflicting reasons for the placement of the title after the Christian name. One often given is that it's supposed to be a sign of humility to be referred to by Christian name before title.

21 posted on 03/10/2013 5:43:40 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: PeevedPatriot

Why is the New York Fire Department known as FDNY.


22 posted on 03/10/2013 6:18:10 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: PeevedPatriot

In my experience, wanting to be addressed by title rather than by name has not been a sign of humility. However, old customs don’t always translate.

I’ve never known a Bishop or Archbishop to object to being called “Father” or “Bishop.” Our retired Bishop, “Bishop Emeritus,” was at my parish recently and was making a fuss over my baby, because she’s the cutest pink thing in the world. “Thank you for your blessing, Bishop!” and he wasn’t looking for more titles.


23 posted on 03/10/2013 6:47:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Don't panic until Rrrod panics.)
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To: Tax-chick
In my experience, wanting to be addressed by title rather than by name has not been a sign of humility

Worked with enough physicians to agree with you on that one ;) To be fair though I worked with some very down-to-earth ones too.

Our retired Bishop, “Bishop Emeritus,”...wasn’t looking for more titles.

First, congrats on your daughter. What a blessing for you both! The joy of motherhood for you and the privilege of being raised in the Church for her! Second, your experience shows that it isn't really titles that we admire, is it? We respect the way folks carry themselves, not how many letters or titles they carry in front of, in the middle of, or after their names.

Again, congrats!

24 posted on 03/10/2013 8:58:33 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: Tax-chick; Anoreth
I just can't figure why they use it only for Cardinals. If they're going to use "CARDINAL" in between the first name and last name, at least be consistent and use that structure for all religious titles. I've never heard of a Catholic deacon, priest, monsignor, bishop, archbishop, pope, etc., use his title between his first and last names. I can tell you that if I was Pope, I'd change the form of address and the "Francis Cardinal George" stuff would be the first thing to go, I'd always have it written as "Cardinal Francis George". As it currently stands, now "either version" is correct for addressing a Cardinal.

I suppose Alfred LORD Tennyson would be an good example of it used elsewhere, but it really sounds awkward in most circumstances... imagine Ruth Doctor Westheimer? ;-)

25 posted on 03/10/2013 10:50:38 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: PeevedPatriot
We respect the way folks carry themselves, not how many letters or titles they carry in front of, in the middle of, or after their names.

Excellent point, and thank you!

One advantage of titles is that it frees you from having to remember people's names ;-).

26 posted on 03/11/2013 4:20:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Don't panic until Rrrod panics.)
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To: mlizzy

Thank you!


27 posted on 03/11/2013 5:47:34 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: BillyBoy
why they use it only for Cardinals

Beats me. I'll ask Paul Father Gary next time I see him. He knows all sorts of surprising trivia, because he reads a lot.

28 posted on 03/11/2013 6:53:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Don't panic until Rrrod panics.)
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