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"Mormon church rewrites its racist history"
Salon ^ | March 9, 2013 | Joanna Brooks

Posted on 03/10/2013 4:30:37 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

A newly released digital edition of the four books of LDS or Mormon scripture—the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price—includes editorial changes that reflect a shifting official view on issues like polygamy, the Church’s history of racism, and the historicity of LDS scripture.

Perhaps the most significant is the inclusion of a new heading to precede the now-canonized 1978 announcement of the end of the LDS Church’s ban on black priesthood ordination:

The Book of Mormon teaches that “all are alike unto God,” including “black and white, bond and free, male and female” (2 Nephi 26:33). Throughout the history of the Church, people of every race and ethnicity in many countries have been baptized and have lived as faithful members of the Church. During Joseph Smith’s lifetime, a few black male members of the Church were ordained to the priesthood. Early in its history, Church leaders stopped conferring the priesthood on black males of African descent. Church records offer no clear insights into the origins of this practice. Church leaders believed that a revelation from God was needed to alter this practice and prayerfully sought guidance. The revelation came to Church President Spencer W. Kimball and was affirmed to other Church leaders in the Salt Lake Temple on June 1, 1978. The revelation removed all restrictions with regard to race that once applied to the priesthood.

Church leaders have long maintained public ambiguity about the history of the ban and its end; they have rarely acknowledged the ordination of early African-American Mormons nor have they cited anti-racist teaching in the Book of Mormon in connection with the Church’s own troubled history on race. The new heading historicizes the ban (suggesting the influence of a robust Church History department) and depicts it as a contradiction to the original impulses of the faith, not corrected until 1978. The heading does, some commentators have noted, offer continuing cover to Brigham Young, whose on-the-record racist statements to the Utah legislature suggest his influence in the evolution of a non-ordination policy. Commentators also note the absence of reference to the fact that black women were not historically admitted to LDS temple worship until the 1978 announcement.

Another significant change is to the introduction to the Pearl of Great Price, a book of scripture long presented as a direct translation of Egyptian papyri obtained by Joseph Smith but shown by Egyptologists to have no connection to their source material. The new edition now characterizes the Book of Abraham as an “inspired translation” of the papyri. Changes to the introduction to the now-canonized official announcement of the end of institutionally-sanctioned polygamy also suggest an effort to historicize polygamy and connect it with Book of Mormon teachers that teach monogamy as “God’s standard.”

These are the most significant changes made to Mormon scripture since 1981.



TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: antichristian; inman; lds; ldschurch; mormon
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Indications are that this, along with the lowering of the missionary age to 18 was planned with the expectation that we would now have a mormon POTUS.

Marketing mormonism is job No. 1 by the LDS sect.

1 posted on 03/10/2013 4:30:37 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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Ping.


2 posted on 03/10/2013 4:31:15 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Heh. New edition inserts headings that reverse the meaning and application of "scriptures" as originally written.

Maybe the LDS now thinks of its scripture as being subject to flaws introduced by its writers.

If the Morg was wrong about this, then what else is it wrong about?

3 posted on 03/10/2013 4:40:27 PM PDT by delacoert
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Per this March 4, 2013 blog: Mormon Disclosures: Canonbombed!:

Late last year, I posted a blog called the Infallible FAIL! which highlighted how the Mormon church's position on why they engaged in racist doctrinal practices in the past is a huge chasm to their claim of divine revelation. I will repeat a little of it again here.

One of the most significant 2013 edition changes is the heading to the Official Declaration 2, which states the following: "Early in its history, Church leaders stopped conferring the priesthood on black males of African descent. Church records offer no clear insights into the origins of this practice."

But then, in the preceding Official Declaration 1 are these words: "The Lord will NEVER permit me or any other man who stands as president of this Church to lead you astray."

It is also taught in official church manuals.

Preceding the O.D.2 heading change on racism, in 2012, the church released a press statement that read: "It is not known precisely why, how, or when this restriction began in the Church but what is clear is that it ended decades ago...We condemn racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church."

This statement and the one in O.D.2 on racism are very profound. They, together with the statement in O.D.1, that the prophet not permitted to lead the church astray, tacitly admits that the previous statement, that the Lord won’t allow a prophet to lead the members astray, is false. For nearly 150 years the prophets have led the people astray with racist policies and the current prophet administration does not know why this happened, they just know firmly, racism is wrong. That repudiation of the former policy, of hundreds of statements made by Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff, John Taylor, Bruce McConkie, and many more effectively opens the gate to an understanding that the current administrating prophets could be absolutely dead wrong on policies they have in place currently.

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So...this blogger concludes:
1. The LDS Church NOW claims it doesn't know why the past Mormon "prophets" engaged in racist-based exclusions...just that it was somehow "wrong."
2. The LDS Church has FREQUENTLY claimed that an LDS "prophet" can ne'er lead the Church astray...But, now that it FINALLY concedes point #1...well, oops...I guess they CAN -- and DO -- lead the Mormon church astray, after all (like racism).
3. Now that #2 is an open falsehood, then ANYTHING claimed by the CURRENT Lds general authorities is up for grabs to be claimed as "false" by future Lds gen authorities...'tis all foundationless quicksand!

4 posted on 03/10/2013 4:45:15 PM PDT by Colofornian
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Heh. New edition inserts headings that reverse the meaning and application of "scriptures" as originally written. [Delacoert]

Note how this blogger (March 4, 2013) first highlights the lamest of lame reasons as to why the Mormon church is utilizing this particular juncture to introduce these editing changes into their "sacred" texts:

Last Friday [March 1, 2013], the LDS church announced a newly released digital edition of the LDS canon, which includes "adjustments" (as they call them). Many have called the changes a bomb detonated to revise history, especially on troubling issues such as racism and polygamy.

The reason for the changes? The first paragraph of official discussion on the "adjustments" says this: "The current printing masters of the 1979 edition of the King James Version of the Bible and the 1981 edition of the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price have deteriorated because of age and long use. The quality of the typeface is no longer as clear and sharp as it should be. Therefore, in the process of preparing new printing masters, the Church has taken the opportunity to make adjustments." (See http://www.lds.org/scriptures/adjustments?lang=eng)

Printing masters? In the digital age of desktop publishing they actually expect us to believe they had to do this because they were losing the printing masters? The LDS church has all its scriptures, guides, footnotes, headings and more online, in digital format. When newspapers can daily transfer digital editions to printing masters for bulk volume, rapid prints, the church's reasoning that it was deteriorating printing masters looks like a ... lame excuse.

Source: Mormon Disclosures: Canonbombed!:

[Perhaps a poster may want to just post this blog above as a separate post to highlight the duplicity of Mormon General Authorities! and to show that, yes, Lds Gen Authorities DO concede, after all, that these Lds "prophets" CAN and DO lead their people astray!]

5 posted on 03/10/2013 4:52:07 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
'tis all foundationless quicksand!

AND...the whole religion is based on the words of a conman.

I wonder what other changes can be expected that were in the making when Mitt "knew in his heart he would win" and I believe the LDS leaders had the same "feeling".

Remember, the Flying Inmans posted over and over for years on FR that running a member of a racist organization against Obama was folly. Now the LDS organization agrees.

6 posted on 03/10/2013 4:57:23 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Color me not surprised. That’s one of the reasons I refused to support Romney, even to the very end. Obama is a liar and we might just see WWIII coming up soon, but no sense in selling my soul just to elect another liar, who would in turn open up the White House to the LDS and provide a propaganda boon for them. The wrath of God is much more fearful.


7 posted on 03/10/2013 4:58:11 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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The wrath of God is much more fearful.

Amen!

8 posted on 03/10/2013 4:59:51 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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I think we could settle this is Moroni the angel would just bring back the golden plates and let us study it.....


9 posted on 03/10/2013 5:08:43 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: greyfoxx39
Iff'n they gonna re-write it;. you may as well see what will disappear:


OKQUOTE>




"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

10 posted on 03/10/2013 5:11:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
A newly released digital edition of the four books of LDS or Mormon scripture—the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price—includes editorial changes that reflect a shifting official view on issues like polygamy, the Church’s history of racism, and the historicity of LDS scripture.

This must be the list of the SLC branch of MORMONism.

The 'Holy Bible' refers to the King James Version, long claimed (by JS himself) to have MANY errors in it.

Joseph Smith was directed by GOD HIMSELF to re-write and take the errors out.

It is known as the JST - Joseph Smith Translation.

It is NOT considered to be 'scripture' by the powers that rule the largest branch on MORMONism.

Normal folks find this to be a bit strange; still using an admitted faulty book over one which is now presumed to be perfect.

11 posted on 03/10/2013 5:18:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

The 'Holy Bible' refers to the King James Version, long claimed (by JS himself) to have MANY errors in it.

#8 of the AoF - Articles of faith


Joseph Smith was directed by GOD HIMSELF to re-write and take the errors out.

Preface to

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS - SECTION 71

12 posted on 03/10/2013 5:23:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
Here is MORMONism's own creed:
 
 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


 












The

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 71

Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, December 1, 1831. HC 1: 238–239. The Prophet had continued to translate the Bible with Sidney Rigdon as his scribe until this revelation was received, at which time it was temporarily laid aside so as to enable them to fulfill the instruction given herein. The brethren were to go forth to preach in order to allay the unfriendly feelings that had developed against the Church as a result of the publication of some newspaper articles by Ezra Booth, who had apostatized.

1–4, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon are sent forth to proclaim the gospel; 5–11, Enemies of the saints shall be confounded.

1 Behold, thus saith the Lord unto you my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, that the time has verily come that it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel, the things of the kingdom, expounding the mysteries thereof out of the scriptures, according to that portion of Spirit and power which shall be given unto you, even as I will.

2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.

3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.

4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.

5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;

6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.

7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.

8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.

9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;

10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.

11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.

 

13 posted on 03/10/2013 5:25:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
Another significant change is to the introduction to the Pearl of Great Price, a book of scripture long presented as a direct translation of Egyptian papyri obtained by Joseph Smith but shown by Egyptologists to have no connection to their source material.

I just HATE it when GOD tells his prophets the wrong things to write down!!



The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.
No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...
only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.



Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



 



What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


14 posted on 03/10/2013 5:27:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: delacoert

Everything...


15 posted on 03/10/2013 5:28:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

Dim-o-crats from Salon.com are just pissed off that the Mormons stole a lesson from them about whitewashing (pun intended) their own racist history.


16 posted on 03/10/2013 5:28:27 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Colofornian
"The Lord will NEVER permit me or any other man who stands as president of this Church to lead you astray."

Alrighty then!!




 
 

JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....

17 posted on 03/10/2013 5:29:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Dim-o-crats from Salon.com are just pissed off that the Mormons stole a lesson from them about whitewashing (pun intended) their own racist history

Dim-o-crats, to my knowledge didn't claim their racism to be divinely inspired and include it in scripture!

18 posted on 03/10/2013 5:30:52 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Remember, the Flying Inmans posted over and over for years on FR that running a member of a racist organization against Obama was folly. Now the LDS organization agrees.




Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

November 8, 2012

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!
 
I must apologize and ask for forgiveness from you all.
 
As you know, we at Headquarters NEVER tell you pew warmers how to vote. It says so right in our press releases. Anyway, we were ALL thrilled to the max when there were two – TWO! – MORMONs being touted in the primaries: Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman.
 
Talk in our upper chambers high above SLC was how our gods were favoring us with these men; who had prepared their entire lives for an opportunity to save this Nation; which so badly needs guidance: OUR guidance even! So naturally, I and the other twelve analyzed and discussed the situation.
 
Consensus was that the voters should listen to the inner urging and vote for the one they wanted; but that seemed to be leaving WAY too much to chance.
 
I decided, that since I am the ONLY man on earth that can hear GOD’s voice, that I would pray for wisdom and clarity in the matter.
 
I hadn’t used the fleece in a while, so I questioned GOD with a test. A paper, with Romney on one side and Huntsman on the other was to be placed by the air conditioning vent high above my desk in the sumptuous office the Full Tithers have provided.
When the air would kick in later in the evening, while I was home, the paper would be blown down and whomever GOD wanted would then be visible on the upper surface.
 
As you can probably guess, when I came in the next day, the paper had landed on my desk, with Mitt’s name on top.
Last night, I was staying late, praying to GOD about how it was even possible that Mitt lost, when the janitorial cleaning crew came in. Being surprised to find me here, they apologized for interrupting me. I said to them, “It mattereth not, as I was about to leave anyway.”
 
As I was going out the door, the foreman of the crew just happened to mention that my office is ALWAYS so neat and tiny, never anything out of place, that they barely have to do anything to tidy up. Then one of the sweepers said, “Except that time in the spring when we came in to clean and found a paper with Huntman’s name on the floor by your desk. We put it back on your desk and left.
 
 
Tommy M.
 
PS Keep praying that Huntsman will add an “H” to his name. Jon looks so dang effeminate!
 
Onward to 2016!!!

19 posted on 03/10/2013 5:30:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




20 posted on 03/10/2013 5:32:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
The following are the LYING images that MORMONism has produced, KNOWING that they represent something FALSE!!
 
 
   

21 posted on 03/10/2013 5:33:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

>”I refused to support Romney, even to the very end...no sense in selling my soul just to elect another liar...The wrath of God is much more fearful.”<

Do you believe that persons who voted for Romney to try to prevent four more years of Obama will be tormented in hell? Eternally or just for a few thousand years?

Or are you referring to wrath in this world? If so, you’d think it would be especially directed at the Mormons themselves. Yet on the whole they appear to be doing rather well. (Not that I myself believe that while in New York, Joseph Smith found golden plates with Egyptian writing on them, which just happened to be taken back later by the angel Moroni — I don’t believe it, but see no signs that Mormons are being punished for that belief, not since the mobs stopped attacking them.)


22 posted on 03/10/2013 5:35:10 PM PDT by GJones2 (Romney voters to be tormented in Hell?)
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To: greyfoxx39

Hey bring in the Gang!

Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana;
aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; fishtank; metmom:
greyfoxx39

All Hail ... the Non-Denominational Ingquisitors are summoned!

Warning, only fabrication, distotion, smears and character assasination are allowed ..... since tar/feathering, imprisonment, mob violence and murder has not been effective in elimintating those pesky Mormons, and makes us look rather .... umm,

unChristian!


23 posted on 03/10/2013 5:37:32 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: teppe; delacoert; All
Teppe and other Mormons...don't forget to visit this other thread just posted by Delacoert:

Canonbombed!

There...we can CLEARLY see how the Lds church...

Unveils its...
...duplicious reasoning as to why it took "this opportunity" to make some editorial changes in its "sacred" docs...(as if we are somehow to believe that we don't live in a digital age)...
...openly racist past from the top-down -- from men who were supposedly THE very vocal chords of God on earth...
...conclusion from the Mormon church that, "Hey, I guess our 'prophets' can lead the Mormon church astray, after all"

24 posted on 03/10/2013 5:42:06 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: teppe

yep Salon is a left wing bastion of truth.


25 posted on 03/10/2013 5:44:08 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: teppe

yep Salon is a left wing bastion of truth.


26 posted on 03/10/2013 5:51:17 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: teppe
Inman mission statement photo CALLTOACTION-1-1.jpg
27 posted on 03/10/2013 5:55:14 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside; teppe; greyfoxx39; All
yep Salon is a left wing bastion of truth.

Joanna Brooks, the author of this piece, is an active Mormon.

Go ahead & castigate Salon...most of what they publish is so deserving...

But the least you could is also conduct just a wee bit of checking to see who wrote the piece.

So, let's hear it from your lips: You would like to castigate this active Mormon, Joanna Brooks, too, alongside Salon, right?

I mean, I'm not sure Salon would have just published anything on this particular subject...

They needed an active Mormon who "knew the Mormon ropes" well to pinpoint details.

Since you've commented on this publishing angle, too late to back down, now: Tell us what you think of Joanna Brooks writing this piece?

28 posted on 03/10/2013 5:55:49 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: GJones2

No, I don’t believe anyone is going to hell for supporting Romney over Obozo. Salvation is by grace, after all, and there isn’t a perfect man in this world. If anyone was apologizing for Mormonism, on the other hand, for political purposes, that is something that I would frown upon and make me wonder about their salvation.

But, quite frankly, I think the nation was/is already under judgment, and that is the reason why we found ourselves choosing between either Obozo or Mittens. It was a choice between two evils. And, to be honest, I’d rather not play in such a rigged game to begin with. So I chose not to. Hopefully that’s the real reason why Romney lost, and not just because there are more people who prefer Obama’s lies over the GOPe’s.

When it comes down to it, I think a lot of Christians sold themselves out to support Romney. It wasn’t just people grudgingly going out there to back up Romney because they had no choice and felt death was on the line. There were “Christians” going around and actively apologizing for Mitt Romney’s Mormon religion, telling us that the LDS was a “god-fearing” organization with “good people,” despite the fact that their religion is utterly opposed to Christianity, and the lesser known fact that there is no such thing as a “good person” in this entire world. (For there is no one righteous, no not one.) This election was opening up a doorway for Mormonism to become mainstream, to stand side by side with the alleged ministers of Christ, and that’s not something I ever want to be a part of.

2 Corinthians 11:12
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.

2Jn 1:9-11 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: (11) For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


29 posted on 03/10/2013 5:56:51 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Elsie
What the horndog pervert actually looked like, when he was stealing the wives of other men...

Here is how he is redrawn by the cult to be more appealing... the whole cult is a whitewash.


30 posted on 03/10/2013 5:59:48 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: teppe

“only fabrication, distotion, smears and character assasination are allowed”

And yet you can never point to a single instance of any of those on any thread. Why?


31 posted on 03/10/2013 6:00:46 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
...quite frankly, I think the nation was/is already under judgment, and that is the reason why we found ourselves choosing between either Obozo or Mittens. It was a choice between two evils. And, to be honest, I’d rather not play in such a rigged game to begin with. So I chose not to. Hopefully that’s the real reason why Romney lost, and not just because there are more people who prefer Obama’s lies over the GOPe’s. When it comes down to it, I think a lot of Christians sold themselves out to support Romney. It wasn’t just people grudgingly going out there to back up Romney because they had no choice and felt death was on the line. There were “Christians” going around and actively apologizing for Mitt Romney’s Mormon religion, telling us that the LDS was a “god-fearing” organization with “good people,” despite the fact that their religion is utterly opposed to Christianity, and the lesser known fact that there is no such thing as a “good person” in this entire world. (For there is no one righteous, no not one.) This election was opening up a doorway for Mormonism to become mainstream, to stand side by side with the alleged ministers of Christ, and that’s not something I ever want to be a part of.

Excellent discernment shown in this post...and in walking a fine-line on a review of distinguishing between Romney voters and Romney supporters...a similar distinction I made on a few Spring threads last year.

(Would be good to hear more from you on Lds threads on FR)

Thanks again

32 posted on 03/10/2013 6:03:16 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Elsie

“This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin.”

.
Wow, I am a honky, but I definitely do not agree with that stupid statement. Anyone who believes that crap certainly does not deserve to be POTUS.

Hey GOP, you’d better get yourselves a better candidate next time if you want to win the WH.


33 posted on 03/10/2013 6:05:33 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: greyfoxx39

“Racism” obsessed much?


34 posted on 03/10/2013 6:07:30 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Mormonism defending obsessed much?


35 posted on 03/10/2013 6:08:49 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39; Elsie
when Mitt "knew in his heart he would win" and

I believe the LDS leaders had the same "feeling"


36 posted on 03/10/2013 6:09:12 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; teppe; All
(On the other hand...in reviewing your nametag...Greetings_Puny_Humans...you don't happen to claim to be extant from some pre-existent source from a competitive planetary race from Mormons arrived here on Planet Earth which might be somehow antithetical toward Kolobian-born "spirits" within that same galactical neck of the woods, do you? :) )

[Teppe, please remind us all...which galaxy is Kolob based in, again?]

37 posted on 03/10/2013 6:09:39 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39

“Indications are that this, along with the lowering of the missionary age to 18 was planned with the expectation that we would now have a mormon POTUS.”

Oh, how I wish we had a Mormon POTUS!


39 posted on 03/10/2013 6:12:53 PM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“That’s one of the reasons I refused to support Romney. . .”

And that’s how we got stuck with you-know-who. Hope you are happy.


40 posted on 03/10/2013 6:14:31 PM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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Wow, I am a honky, but I definitely do not agree with that stupid statement. Anyone who believes that crap certainly does not deserve to be POTUS. Hey GOP, you’d better get yourselves a better candidate next time if you want to win the WH.

Well, it's hard to "trump" outright racism, as shown by Mormon leaders, Mormon "prophets," Mormon general authorities, Mormon tithers funding all of that crap, etc.

But when that crap gets politically ignored -- as was done by both the GoP RINOs who pushed Romney...as well ALL of Romney's PRIMARY voters (when there was STILL a choice)...then here you have a case where the openly hostile racists wind up sharing their racist shame & guilt with a good chunk of the GoP.

And where was ANY level of discernment to run such a candidate with such background vs. a candidate whose very race was such the object of Lds racism & discrimination for almost 150 years????

41 posted on 03/10/2013 6:15:14 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Revolting cat!

It is mormonism that is obsessed with racism and has been for more than a century. The Flying Inmans pointed out the fact that running a racist mormon against a black man was a loser. Now the mormon leaders agree with that.


42 posted on 03/10/2013 6:17:08 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39

It must be very painful and ever so expensive to try and ride the internet and book stores of the original versions.


43 posted on 03/10/2013 6:17:41 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Revolting cat!

So are defending mormoism’s inherent racism?


44 posted on 03/10/2013 6:19:42 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw
It must be very painful and ever so expensive to try and ride the internet and book stores of the original versions.

Nah you forget the mormon church doesn't allow its slaves to read unapproved material. I think the main thing is an attempt to kiss Obama's ring.

45 posted on 03/10/2013 6:24:02 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: svcw

What’s “inherent racism”?


46 posted on 03/10/2013 6:29:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: rovenstinez

***I think we could settle this is Moroni the angel would just bring back the golden plates and let us study it.....***

But, Gladen Bishop, leader of the Gladenite mormons told Brigham Young, he had in his posession...

The golden plates from which Smith translated the Book of Mormon;
The Urim and Thummim, which assisted Smith in translation;
The breastplate of Moroni;
The Liahona, an artifact from the Book of Mormon;
The sword of Laban;
A small silver “Crown of Israel” representing the Aaronic priesthood; and
A larger gold “Crown of Glory” representing the Melchizedek priesthood.

Bishop was told to vacate Salt Lake City while he could still move!

He died not long after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladden_Bishop


47 posted on 03/10/2013 6:29:58 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: greyfoxx39
It is mormonism that is obsessed with racism and has been for more than a century.

I'm sure you can point us to Mormon writings "more than a century" old where the word "racism" appears. Thank you in advance.

48 posted on 03/10/2013 6:31:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: teppe
Warning, only fabrication, distotion, smears and character assasination are allowed

Why do the heathen rage??

Over posting FACTS straight from the printing presses of MORMONism.

Get out of that hellish 'religion' while you can, Teppe!

49 posted on 03/10/2013 6:31:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GraceG
Dim-o-crats from Salon.com are just pissed off that the Mormons stole a lesson from them about whitewashing (pun intended) their own racist history.

1. I'm fairly sure that the writer of this article (Joanna Brooks) is a Democrat. But...she's ALSO an active Mormon

2. Leave it to the Mormon church that does whatever it can to invite Mormon political leaders (Harry Reid) to their most revered university (BYU-Provo) and provide them a platform before an all-student, all-faculty audience...to say things like:

"I am a Democrat because I am a Mormon, not in spite of it."
Source: Reid Gets Warm Reception at BYU

50 posted on 03/10/2013 6:32:10 PM PDT by Colofornian
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