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BYU conference explores Joseph Smith and the ancient world [speaker lists Smith with other cultists]
Deseret News ^ | March 9, 2013 | Joseph Walker

Posted on 03/11/2013 7:18:41 AM PDT by Colofornian

Hundreds of students of all ages — including at least one LDS apostle — gathered at locations in Provo and Salt Lake City Thursday and Friday to listen and take notes as 26 scholars examined the extent to which LDS Church founder Joseph Smith was familiar with ancient writings, scriptural or otherwise.

“Approaching Antiquity: Joseph Smith’s Study of the Ancient World,” a two-day BYU Church History Symposium, drew capacity audiences to the BYU campus and the LDS Church Conference Center Little Theater.

SNIP

Another highly attended session on the first day of the symposium featured Dr. David F. Holland, associate professor of history at the University of Nevada Las Vegas and author of “Sacred Borders: Continuing Revelation and Canonical Restraint.” Holland had the distinction of being the only speaker during the two-day conference introduced by an apostle: his father, Elder Jeffrey R. Holland of the LDS Church’s Quorum of the Twelve Apostles...

Holland’s presentation compared Joseph Smith’s view of the world — past, present and future — with two of his religious contemporaries: Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of Christian Science; and Ellen G. White, one of the founders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

“These three American oracles share a bit in common,” Holland said, pointing out they were all born in New England “into a religious and cultural context defined by the mainstream Protestantism of their nation.” And all three “claimed a special mission and inspiration from God Almighty,” which led to all three producing sacred texts that followers considered “equivalent to Holy Scripture.”

While Holland said “it would be impossible to compare the whole corpus of their writing,” he focused on the way Eddy, White and Smith looked to the historical past and the prophetic future within the body of their work...

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TOPICS: History; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: antichristian; christianscience; inman; josephsmith; lds; mormonbashing; mormons
From the article: Holland’s presentation compared Joseph Smith’s view of the world — past, present and future — with two of his religious contemporaries: Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of Christian Science; and Ellen G. White, one of the founders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. “These three American oracles share a bit in common,” Holland said, pointing out they were all born in New England “into a religious and cultural context defined by the mainstream Protestantism of their nation.” And all three “claimed a special mission and inspiration from God Almighty,” which led to all three producing sacred texts that followers considered “equivalent to Holy Scripture.” While Holland said “it would be impossible to compare the whole corpus of their writing,” he focused on the way Eddy, White and Smith looked to the historical past and the prophetic future within the body of their work...

And all three -- Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, and Ellen G. White are regarded as cultists by much of mainstream Christianity...although admittedly some regard Seventh day Adventism as only aberrant -- and NOT a cult.

Certainly, White's writings were FILLED with failed prophecies:
* You Be the Judge: Does Mrs. White Pass the Biblical Tests of a Prophet?
* Prophecy Blunders of Ellen G. White their inspired prophet!

So White & Baker Eddy are themselves regarded as false prophetesses within Christianity.

So it's quite interesting when a Mormon speaker compares their leader to other cultists!

(Kind of makes our point without e'en having to put much effort out there!)

1 posted on 03/11/2013 7:18:41 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Holland’s presentation compared Joseph Smith’s view of the world — past, present and future — with two of his religious contemporaries: Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of Christian Science; and Ellen G. White, one of the founders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
hum? They let the cat out of the bag here.


2 posted on 03/11/2013 7:32:45 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw; All
hum? They let the cat out of the bag here.

Yes, interesting...what Walter Martin might say in a single sentence, we get Lds speakers taking an entire session to elaborate before packed-out Mormon audiences at BYU!

Mormons, Walter Martin was telling you this stuff long ago! (And with a greater degree of candid truth)

(Hint: Find a way to pick up some of those Martin messages!)

3 posted on 03/11/2013 7:36:27 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I remember seeing a booklet in my wife’s grandmother’s house.

“ELLEN G WHITE IS A PROPHET OF GOD!”

They were not Adventists.

Years ago I found some interesting booklets in a Post Office trash can on Adventism. After the incidents in WACO, TX I realized these booklets were from a Missouri sect of the Branch Davidians, an offshoot of the SDAs.


4 posted on 03/11/2013 7:39:38 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: svcw; All
ALL:

How do we know Mormonism is a cult?

Let us count thy ways.

A highly respected Lds "apostle" of the 20th century was Elder John A. Widtsoe.

The Lds church, in one of their official publications for its members -- a 1980-1981 study guide -- wanted to be dictatorial even of Mormon members' feelings when they gathered for their quorums:

Elder John A. Widtsoe wrote: 'The priesthood is a great brotherhood, held together by the eternal immutable laws that constitute the framework of the Gospel. The feeling of brotherhood SHOULD permeat the quorum." (Priesthood and Church Government, p. 135) as cited in Choose You This Day pp. 173-174 Choose You This Day: Melchizedek Personal Study Guide 1980-1981 (1979)

(Who knew that even feelings were ordered up from on high in Salt Lake City?)

5 posted on 03/11/2013 7:41:12 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
“it would be impossible to compare the whole corpus of their writing,” that's pretty funny.
6 posted on 03/11/2013 7:46:40 AM PDT by Drawn7979
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To: Colofornian

I’m still waiting for the location of Kolab.


7 posted on 03/11/2013 7:52:47 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks; Elsie; All
I’m still waiting for the location of Kolab.

Mormons still regularly sing from their hymnbook: "If you could hie to Kolob"

8 posted on 03/11/2013 7:54:32 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: laweeks
Watch Battle-star Galactica, they give the approximation coordinates there. Remake is better than the original.
9 posted on 03/11/2013 8:03:59 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

When I was in Salt Lake a couple years ago, I got a kick out of the statue showing St.(?) John Smith, Jr., holding his lovely bride’s hand . . . but they didn’t have statues for the other 42 wives he had . . . some of whom were under 14 . . . wonder if they got those statues done yet.


10 posted on 03/11/2013 8:07:45 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Colofornian
If you want to associate Mormonism with other cults, I always found it helpful to compare the faith with gnosticism. Essentially, Smith resurrected several gnostic teachings and practices (inspired by the same source, perhaps) that had long been dormant.

Of course, Smith was (and Mormonism still is) steeped in the occult ... ranging from the peep stone that he relied on throughout his ministry to provide such basic services as translating the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham to locating money (unsuccessfully) in Salem, Massachusetts ... to the Jupiter talisman that he wore the night he was killed in a blotched jail break. To this day, Mormon temples are adorned with occult symbols such as sunstones, saturn stones, the evil eye of Osiris, and baphomets (all of which are also associated with satanism).

It's also interesting to note that the BYU Conference omits another Smith contemporary cultist from the northeastern United States, Charles Taze Russell ... the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses who rediscovered many of the essential elements of the ancient heresy of Arianism.

11 posted on 03/11/2013 8:17:04 AM PDT by Zakeet (Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage - Mencken)
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To: Colofornian
 
 
If You Could Hie to Kolob
 #284 – William W. Phelps

1. If you could hie to Kolob In the twinkling of an eye,
    And then continue onward With that same speed to fly,
    Do you think that you could ever, Through all eternity,
    Find out the generation Where Gods began to be?

2. Or see the grand beginning, Where space did not extend?
    Or view the last creation, Where Gods and matter end?
    Me thinks the Spirit whispers, “No man has found ‘pure space,’
    Nor seen the outside curtains, Where nothing has a place.”

3. The works of God continue, And worlds and lives abound;
    Improvement and progression Have one eternal round.
    There is no end to matter; There is no end to space;
    There is no end to spirit; There is no end to race.

4. There is no end to virtue; There is no end to might;
    There is no end to wisdom; There is no end to light.
    There is no end to union; There is no end to youth;
    There is no end to priesthood; There is no end to truth.

5. There is no end to glory; There is no end to love;
    There is no end to being; There is no death above.
    There is no end to glory; There is no end to love;
    There is no end to being; There is no death above.

 
 
 
 
 

12 posted on 03/11/2013 8:30:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: laweeks
When I was in Salt Lake a couple years ago, I got a kick out of the statue showing St.(?) John Smith, Jr., holding his lovely bride’s hand . . . but they didn’t have statues for the other 42 wives he had . . . some of whom were under 14 . . . wonder if they got those statues done yet.




13 posted on 03/11/2013 8:30:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: laweeks
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.

Miss Eliza R. Snow  was one of the first (willing) victims of Joseph in Nauvoo. She used to be much at the prophet’s house he made her one of his celestial brides... . Feeling outraged as a wife and betrayed as a friend, Emma is currently reported as having had recourse to a vulgar broomstick as an instrument of revenge: and the harsh treatment received at Emma’s hands is said to have destroyed Eliza’s hopes of becoming the mother of a prophet’s son (Dr. W. Wyl, Mormon Portraits, 1886, pp.57-58).

The Mormon writer Claire Noall acknowledged: “Willard realized that Emma had refused to believe that any of the young women boarding at the Mansion when it was first used as a hotel had been married to Joseph. She had struck Eliza Snow at the head of the stairs, and Eliza, it was whispered, had lost her unborn child” (Intimate Disciple, a Portrait of Willard Richards, 1957, p.407).

Sometime during February of 1843 Emma evidently became aware that Joseph had taken her best friend, Eliza R. Snow, as a plural wife. Eliza was currently living in the Smith home, which housed a number of boarders. LDS historians Linda Newell and Valeen Avery wrote:

When the full realization of the relationship between her friend Eliza and her husband Joseph came to her, Emma was stunned. . . . Although no contemporary account of the incident between Emma and Eliza remains extant, evidence leads to the conclusion that some sort of physical confrontation occurred between the two women. In 1886 Wilhelm Wyl published the first known version of the incident in his book, Joseph Smith the Prophet: His Family and His Friends:

They say . . . there is scarcely a Mormon unacquainted with the fact that Sister Emma . . . soon found out the little compromise arranged between Joseph and Eliza. Feeling outraged as a wife and betrayed as a friend, Emma is currently reported as having had recourse to a vulgar broomstick as an instrument of revenge; and the harsh treatment received at Emma’s hands is said to have destroyed Eliza’s hopes of becoming the mother of a prophet’s son...

Another story, attributed to LeRoi C. Snow, Eliza’s nephew, is an oral family tradition that tells of Emma knocking Eliza down the stairs with a broom, the fall resulting in a miscarriage for Eliza. . . .

Whether Eliza fell down the stairs or whether Emma pushed her or pulled her down by the hair, or whether Emma only turned her out of the house, the result seems to be documented in Eliza’s terse journal entry for February 11, 1843:

‘Took board and had my lodging removed to the residence of br. [Jonathan] Holmes.’

Eliza did not make another entry in her journal for five weeks and wrote no explanation for either the gap in her diary or her abrupt departure from Emma’s home. . . .

Several acquaintances of Eliza spoke of Emma discovering Eliza’s relationship with Joseph, leading to her departure.

 

The incident between Emma and Eliza forced the issue of plural marriage into the open. Emma could no longer believe that Joseph was not involved, and he could no longer deny it. Emma had not acted with violence before; now her determined opposition might show up again with unexpected force. Joseph resolutely tried to bring Emma around (Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith, by Linda King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery, 1994, pp. 134-137).



http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no106.htm

 



 
 

14 posted on 03/11/2013 8:31:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: laweeks

Why? You already knew what you were seeing. What do you care, about how many wives, some hudu has?


15 posted on 03/11/2013 8:35:13 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Elsie; laweeks; teppe; All
If You Could Hie to Kolob
#284 – William W. Phelps
1. If you could hie to Kolob In the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward With that same speed to fly,
Do you think that you could ever, Through all eternity,
Find out the generation Where Gods began to be?

2. Or see the grand beginning, Where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation, Where Gods and matter end?

ALL:

Perhaps you didn't realize that Mormons -- when they praise their gods -- sing lyrical lines about mythical planets they came from in their churches...singing about "Where gods [plural] began to be" and "Where gods [plural] and matter end."

Now, you might think this hymn is somehow entirely unrelated to this thread. Well, it's not, actually.

You see, when you go to the big BYU Web announcement for this conference held last weekend -- 2013 BYU Church History Symposium -- what do you think was sung the evening of March 7 immediately prior to David F. Holland's message?

And I quote:

7:00-8:30 (JSB Auditorium): Plenary Session


Elder Steven E. Snow (Church Historian and Recorder), Conducting

...Special Musical Number, “If You Could Hie to Kolob”


16 posted on 03/11/2013 8:42:23 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: svcw

Christian Science is a religion? LOL! I thought it was a magazine! What do they call themselves, Christian Scientists? Some many religions when there is only ONE truth. I forgot about the 7th-Day’ers.


17 posted on 03/11/2013 9:03:00 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: RedHeeler

Most the mormons in my mormon family deny Smith was an earthly polygamist, that’s why the “others” are not shown inside the wards.


18 posted on 03/11/2013 9:04:25 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: presently no screen name; svcw
Christian Science is a religion? LOL! I thought it was a magazine! What do they call themselves, Christian Scientists?

Yes. and Yes.

The Christian Science Monitor newspaper was started by them.

They have "Christian Science reading rooms" at their churches.

The "Jesus" of Christian Science think of themselves as "Christian," yet they don't believe Jesus is God.

Btw, the Christian Science religion is a dying one. Many of their churches have low attendance...often elderly ladies.

19 posted on 03/11/2013 9:17:30 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: svcw

Okay. Thanks.


20 posted on 03/11/2013 9:43:10 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Colofornian

I cannot believe that people are still arguing over whether or not Mormonism is a cult. Of course it is a cult. It has always been a cult if you compare it with historic or classical Christianity. Mormons are basically pagans or polytheists. If any rational or objective person were to compare what Christians believe and what Mormons believe, you could come to no other conclusion than that Christianity and Mormonism have NOTHING in common when it comes to theology.


21 posted on 03/11/2013 9:49:27 AM PDT by Nemoque
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To: jimt

Kid where have you been ???

Ive “hated” Mormonism for 45 years...

Ive “hated” islam for a few years longer but both have false prophets...

and both are enemies of the God of the Christian Bible..

and both corrupted and sinned against all 10 of the Ten Commandments...

Whether Mohammad or Joey Smith AKA the “American Mohammad” both hated and slaughtered Christians and Jews

and to this day have “holy” scriptures which instrust their followers to murder non-Mormons and non-Muslims...


23 posted on 03/11/2013 10:11:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; jimt
Ive “hated” islam for a few years longer but both have false prophets...

(Uh, oh. Don't you wonder if you've ticked off JimmieTee with this kind of statement? Might launch into his Muslim-'hater' missile launches of 'love')

24 posted on 03/11/2013 10:16:25 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: svcw
Most the mormons in my mormon family deny Smith was an earthly polygamist, that’s why the “others” are not shown inside the wards.

Sounds like they be from the Rlds side of the split!

26 posted on 03/11/2013 11:41:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jimt
Jimt; and the only theme he's got.

What a shallow MORMON apologist HE is!


Here's some HATE for you to rail against as well:


Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

27 posted on 03/11/2013 11:43:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39; jimt; teppe
They can dish it out but they sure can't take it!

A common characteristic of a DECEIVED person...

28 posted on 03/11/2013 11:45:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
 
What Do the Founders
of These Great American Cults
Have in Common?
 
 
Kabbalah - Founded by a former insurance salesman, Phillip Berg
(now known as Rav) - is a Jewish cult, based on "ancient secrets".
 
Scientology - Founded by a former vacuum cleaner salesman,
and frustrated sci-fi writer, L. Ron Hubbard.
 
EST - Founded by a former door-to-door salesman, Werner Erhard
 
"Prophet" Edgar Cayce - a former insurance salesman
 
Mormonism - Founded by a former treasurer-seeker, scammer of neighbors, Joseph Smith
 

29 posted on 03/11/2013 1:41:44 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: jimt

Are you saying then that a mormon owned publication is spewing bile and hate?
Wow, I never thought you would admit what mormonism actually is, about time.


30 posted on 03/11/2013 2:38:38 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: jimt

You mean this hate:

1 Nephi 14:10 (Book of Mormon)
“And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the
other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great
church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.”

Louis Midgley, Review of Books on the Book of Mormon, p.11
“The membership of the Mormon church,” Smith writes, “is taught not to ‘question the mysteries’: ‘When the Prophet speaks,the thinking has been done”.

History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.19, p.408
(Joseph Smith)
In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil—all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p.109,
Brigham Young, March 8, 1863
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.


31 posted on 03/11/2013 3:11:51 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: jimt

Spewing hate, maybe like this:

“No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.
Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998

Christianity, is a perfect pack of nonsense, the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century.
Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167

The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God.
Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171

Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth.”
Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 6:176

Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom.
Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, 10:127

Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast.
Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225

What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing. Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God. Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225

The Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable … but with the Bible it was not and is not so, it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was.
Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13


32 posted on 03/11/2013 3:14:06 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Colofornian

OK. Thanks!


34 posted on 03/11/2013 8:54:52 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: jimt

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


36 posted on 03/11/2013 9:15:06 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Colofornian

Jospeh Snith — the lying deceiving horndog false prophet - an unholy combination of Bill Clinton, rev. Moon, Barry Obama, and Barry Madoff.

The only doiiference between the Scientologists and the LD:S is that “Elrond” mother Hubbard didn’t peddle a fake plastic dashboard jesus. The lds jesus is a fake little false idea that is as pathetic as little Kim Jong Eun.

The whole lds could have been sued for copyright violations for stealing the identity of the true Creator, Jesus the Uncreated.


37 posted on 03/11/2013 9:15:28 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: drunknsage

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


38 posted on 03/11/2013 9:17:37 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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Seriously you really need to keep what these people say, with a warning. How are we supposed to know,,,,,if we can’t see the answers.
Come on admins, how do we know what not to say if we can’t see what what was said.


40 posted on 03/11/2013 9:24:29 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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Good point. I’ll restore them for a little while.


41 posted on 03/11/2013 9:27:05 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: drunknsage

You do get that your reply makes no sense - right?


42 posted on 03/11/2013 9:32:44 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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The whole lds could have been sued for copyright violations for stealing the identity of the true Creator, Jesus the Uncreated.

Excellent comment and so very true!

43 posted on 03/12/2013 11:50:18 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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