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I Love Talking To Ex-Mormon Atheists
Mormon Coffee (blog.mrm.org) ^ | March 7, 2013 | Aaron Shafovaloff

Posted on 03/12/2013 9:27:52 AM PDT by Colofornian

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From the blog: I did not expect to meet so many atheists when I moved to Utah seven years ago. But I should have known better: America as a whole is secularizing, and Mormonism itself has a “scorched earth policy.” My Mormon girlfriend in high school once essentially said, “If the LDS Church isn’t true, I don’t know that I could ever believe in God.”

(I've LONG used the same exact language re: Mormonism's "scorched earth policies" -- altho I've used it more along the lines of the Lds having to rid the world of ANY true Christian churches or ANY true authoritative Christians in order to establish its Ground-Zero narrative need for a restoration from scratch...Hence...Mormons do what Muslims do to us Christians: They call us "apostates." (Islam references us as "infidels"...same thing)

The Lds "scorched earth policies" also wind up permanently taking out many as believing in any god at all...(who wants to believe in a god who has sex with wives, wasn't god from all eternity past, and keeps changing his doctrinal mind on things?)

From the blog: Mormonism already is a form of atheism: it denies the existence of an all-powerful, all-knowing, first, most high God, and instead teaches a kind of naturalism or materialism: everything is matter, even spirits, and everything is subject to eternal laws of ultimate nature, even the gods. It feeds its people conspiracy theories about the corruption of the Bible, and it scares the heck out of Mormons over non-Mormon churches: if you don’t stay with the One True Church, you’ll have to settle for an abominable evangelical church with a corrupt pastor who is a minister of Satan

Mormonism is indeed a form of atheism -- because, being polytheistic, it militates against the ONE TRUE THEISM!

Mormonism's teachings on "a kind of naturalism or materialism" where "everything is matter, even spirits..." can be found here Lds "scripture" D&C 93:29,33:
"Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be... 33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;" (D&C 93:29, 33)

Hence, only Mormonism has this layered type of intelligences -- with no ultimate buck-stops-here authoritative God! (For Mormonism claims that God is no more "eternal" than man! And that man is uncreated, and the elements are eternal)

This is all contained in the very "sacred 'scriptures'" of Mormonism's gods!

“I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the SAME as His Father had done before." (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)

1 posted on 03/12/2013 9:27:52 AM PDT by Colofornian
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From the blog: ...It is depressing that so many people leave Mormonism only to become agnostics or atheists. Fortunately, atheists have a hard time staying atheists. Their children are probably much more open to the Biblical gospel than Mormons are. I suspect God is up to something — he has multi-generational plans we’ve never dreamed of. If giving people the truth about Mormonism’s history and the truth about the Biblical gospel of Jesus Christ statistically increases the odds of a person becoming a self-confessed agnostic or atheist, then so be it. God is sovereign and I am not here to be a social engineer or to play God. My job as an ambassador of Jesus is to preach the word of truth in love, and let the chips fall where they may. Fortunately, there is the fruit of ex-Mormon Christians to celebrate.

Pray for Utah...and the atheistic fall-out from Mormonism that is leaving "jack Mormons" everywhere!

2 posted on 03/12/2013 9:28:47 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

As Madaline Murray O’Hair said on the LARRY KING LIVE SHOW back in the early 1990s, (I saw the show)....

“The best atheists are former Mormons and Catholics.”


3 posted on 03/12/2013 9:31:17 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I was raised Catholic. As an adult I joined the mormon church and left after 20 years.
Never have I thought to be an atheist.
4 posted on 03/12/2013 9:35:41 AM PDT by imjustme
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

In before someone wearing magic underwear, calling this post hateful, but providing no contrary evidence - PLACEMARKER


5 posted on 03/12/2013 9:36:43 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Colofornian

The LDS is more about politics than religion these days. Their advocacy for illegal alien amnesty is disgusting and traitorous.


6 posted on 03/12/2013 9:43:39 AM PDT by montag813
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place marker


7 posted on 03/12/2013 9:43:47 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Colofornian
1. If there is no God, there are no objective moral values or duties.

True, IMO, though this is itself not really an objective fact.

2. There are objective moral values and duties.

Well, I believe there are, but this statement is not a fact, it is a statement of belief. It cannot be proven in the same way a mathematical theorem can.

3. Therefore, God exists.

Anybody convinced by this argument knows nothing of logic. Both of the premises are statements of opinion, not fact. Only someone who already believes them will be convinced that the proposition is true.

To be clear, I agree, but it is a really poor argument to present to someone who doesn't.

8 posted on 03/12/2013 9:49:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Colofornian

Mormonism already is a form of atheism: it denies the existence of an all-powerful, all-knowing, first, most high God
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Yes the blood of their Mormon jesus is not able to save “to the uttermost”

Is that why they use water insteasd of wine/grape juice for their religious rituals ???

No substance, strength, power to their millions of Mormon gods ???

not even their Mommy, female gods ???


9 posted on 03/12/2013 9:50:05 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian
I push it really hard:

I do so wish he would not do that!


10 posted on 03/12/2013 9:52:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan
To be clear, I agree, but it is a really poor argument to present to someone who doesn't.

But since FACTs tend to show that more people are influenced by opinion than fact anyway; then percentage wise, it is a good argument.

11 posted on 03/12/2013 9:54:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: montag813
If the rank and file of (name any major religion) voted like Mormons, BO would never have been elected in 2008, much less re-elected in 2012.

The sad fact of the matter is that people who leave any religion are far more likely to become atheists, agnostics or liberals (but I repeat myself) than they are to convert to your favorite brand of Christianity.

That's why I've never been a fan of mindless religious debasing be the objects Catholic, Mormon or Protestant. People who believe in being subject to a higher power, however defined, are far less likely to follow the doctrines of Satan and his missionaries like Karl Marx.

12 posted on 03/12/2013 10:02:23 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Is that why they use water insteasd of wine/grape juice for their religious rituals ???

IMO, the reason for water as a "sacrament" is financial. Just think how many pennies are saved in mormon coffers by doing away with the grape juice or wine in the millions of little cups every Sunday.

It will be NO surprise to us that the reason for water instead of juice is....wait for it...PERSECUTION OF MORMONS!.

FAIR mormon website states:

As to our use of water in place of grape juice ("new wine"—see Isaiah 65:8), it is important to note that initially grape juice was used in the sacrament both in the early church (Matthew 26:28-29) and in the latter-day church (DC 20:79).[2] As a precaution against enemies of the Church poisoning or adulterating the grape juice sold to the Saints, a change was authorized by the Lord.[3] The Lord revealed, "that it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye single to my glory—remembering unto the Father my body which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed for the remission of your sins" (DC 27:1-2).

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13 posted on 03/12/2013 10:10:37 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39

As a precaution against enemies of the Church poisoning or adulterating the grape juice sold to the Saints,
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so the well couldnt be poisoned ???

or a rotting animal corpse tossed upstream into the creek ???


14 posted on 03/12/2013 10:17:11 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

I once knew a woman who left the Mormon church with her Bishop husband when they discovered Mormonism was a fraud..

While in the process of getting divorced, she became very promiscuous because she thought that if Mormonism was false, so were all other churches and thus, there aren’t any moral sins..she even stated that her husband was screwing her best friend and she was fine with that.

I then talked to a former Mormon friend of mine and she confirmed that such situations were not all that uncommon.


15 posted on 03/12/2013 10:25:02 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Sherman Logan

Got that right.


16 posted on 03/12/2013 10:34:09 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: SeaHawkFan; colorcountry; reaganaut; Tennessee Nana; fishtank; metmom
While in the process of getting divorced, she became very promiscuous because she thought that if Mormonism was false, so were all other churches and thus, there aren’t any moral sins..she even stated that her husband was screwing her best friend and she was fine with that.

I then talked to a former Mormon friend of mine and she confirmed that such situations were not all that uncommon.

That is a total smear against every woman who has left mormonism.

How would this "former mormon friend" have gathered this information? And you repeat it as "gospel"?

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17 posted on 03/12/2013 10:42:48 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I did not say it was common, only that it was not all that uncommon.
A rational person would see such a statement as meaning that some who leave the Mormon church conclude there are no moral restraints and act accordingly.

Fortunately, most of those soon come to realize that just because Mormonism is false, not all religions are also false.


18 posted on 03/12/2013 10:50:27 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: sauropod

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20 posted on 03/12/2013 10:57:15 AM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Not uncommon = common.


21 posted on 03/12/2013 11:11:02 AM PDT by stormer
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To: SeaHawkFan
I did not say it was common, only that it was not all that uncommon.

You post a smear from "a former mormon friend" of yours and "she confirmed".

What is "not uncommon" sure reads as "is common" in my opinion. If not, please explain the difference.

IMO it is all too "common" on these threads for mormon defenders to smear and slander when they cannot provide facts to rebut the information that is posted here....or should I say, "it is not an UNCOMMON practice?

22 posted on 03/12/2013 11:16:03 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: SeaHawkFan; Elsie

some who leave the Mormon church conclude there are no moral restraints and act accordingly.
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Why would they need to leave ???

Its within Mormonism that the lack of moral restraints and acting accordingly occur..

Mormonism was invented to cover up and excuse immoral behavior...

the basic tenet of the false religion is adultery...

d&c 132 is still a vald part of the religions beliefs..

many people have left when they found out that the inventer of Mormonism, Joey Smith, was a serial adulterer with 40+ women at least 11 of them already married to other men...

the last “prophet” of Mormonism died in 1945 still practicing polygamy..

as did all of them before and after 1890...


24 posted on 03/12/2013 11:30:10 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: WilliamRobert

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


25 posted on 03/12/2013 11:39:26 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: WilliamRobert

Yes well the hatred that Mormons have for the LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible and Christians is evil...

but at least the Mormons dont behead us anymore because we are Christians or exterminate us and steal from us and steal our women because we are Christians any more...

at least I dont think so...

However their ugly words can be killers...

and they do come to our doors to bash us...

Say can you deo something about your hateful 50,000 Mormon salersmen/”missionaries” with their poopy mouths ???

I dont like being attacked verbally by Mormons at my own door because I am a Christian...

surely thats a hate crime...


26 posted on 03/12/2013 11:39:50 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie

That is quite true. In fact, there is excellent data showing that people largely base their opinion as to the truth of a statement on the intensity with which the person telling them shows that HE believes it. Thus the eternal story of the fanatic gathering followers, the cult leader, etc.

There are many accounts of nurses and doctors being drawn into a paranoid schyzo’s fantasies, helping him escape from the loony bin, etc. NOBODY believes what he says more intensely than a paranoid schyzo. Which makes him very convincing to many people.


27 posted on 03/12/2013 11:51:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Tennessee Nana
I dont like being attacked verbally by Mormons at my own door because I am a Christian...

Color me skeptical. I've had many conversations with Mormon missionaries and they have always been polite to a fault. I assume they are trained to be this way, as indeed anybody filling this role must be to be effective.

Do you believe that anyone who disagrees with you is thereby attacking you verbally?

28 posted on 03/12/2013 11:55:14 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Vigilanteman
If the rank and file of (name any major religion) voted like Mormons, BO would never have been . . . re-elected in 2012.

That could be interpreted in two ways. I've never paid attention to the percentage of LDS registered voters who voted, or LDS members of age who are registered voters.

I do know, from Pew and other polls, that a higher percentage of 'evangelical Christians' voted for Mitt Romney over Obama than did LDS members. Romney received only 78% of the LDS vote in 2012. Non-hispanic Catholics voted at a higher rate for Romney than did LDS voters.

29 posted on 03/12/2013 12:12:46 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (EndItNowMovement.com)
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To: Sherman Logan; Tennessee Nana; Colofornian; svcw; fishtank; colorcountry; ejonesie22; ...
Sherman states: I've had many conversations with Mormon missionaries and they have always been polite to a fault.

Nana states I dont like being attacked verbally by Mormons at my own door because I am a Christian...

Perhaps it doesn't occur to some that the very fact that the message mormon missionaries bring to the doors of Christians is an attack on their faith. Their message is that the mormon church is "the only true church on the face of the earth" and "the only way to salvation is through taking part in arcane rituals in mormon temples."

You ask, "Do you believe that anyone who disagrees with you is thereby attacking you verbally?"...."disagree" is a false description of the mormon message...that message is a frontal attack on the belief of a Christian, comparable with someone knocking on your door and saying, "Sherman, your child is the ugliest thing I have ever seen."

That has been the message sent out by the mormon church to the world for 180 years.

30 posted on 03/12/2013 12:15:48 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: WilliamRobert

You mean like this:

“No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.
Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998

Christianity, is a perfect pack of nonsense, the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century.
Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167

The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God.
Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171

Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth.”
Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 6:176

Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom.
Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, 10:127

Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast.
Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225

What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing. Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God. Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225

The Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable … but with the Bible it was not and is not so, it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was.
Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13


31 posted on 03/12/2013 12:28:45 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Sorry, I disagree.

Your message equates to any evangelization being a hate crime. Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and indeed anybody else would have an equal right to be offended by a polite Christian calling on them.

After all, Christ said, “Nobody comes to the Father except thru me,” which means all other religions are false, if you take him at his word.

I’m not a Mormon, but I find it really weird for somebody to believe that a Mormon’s beliefs are a personal attack. On this issue, I’m with T. Jefferson. Another man’s beliefs neither pick my pocket nor break my leg.

I hope you realize that until quite recently historically most “Christian” churches had similar attitudes towards other “Christian” churches. Hang around some of the Protestant v. Catholic threads and you’ll see a lot of that attitude is still around.


32 posted on 03/12/2013 12:28:56 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: WilliamRobert

You mean this hate:

1 Nephi 14:10 (Book of Mormon)
“And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the
other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great
church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.”

Louis Midgley, Review of Books on the Book of Mormon, p.11
“The membership of the Mormon church,” Smith writes, “is taught not to ‘question the mysteries’: ‘When the Prophet speaks,the thinking has been done”.

History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.19, p.408
(Joseph Smith)
In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil—all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p.109,
Brigham Young, March 8, 1863
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.


33 posted on 03/12/2013 12:29:14 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Probably because of this:

1 Nephi 14:10 (Book of Mormon)
“And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the
other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great
church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.”

Louis Midgley, Review of Books on the Book of Mormon, p.11
“The membership of the Mormon church,” Smith writes, “is taught not to ‘question the mysteries’: ‘When the Prophet speaks,the thinking has been done”.

History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.19, p.408
(Joseph Smith)
In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil—all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p.109,
Brigham Young, March 8, 1863
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.


34 posted on 03/12/2013 12:30:33 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Colofornian; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

Good article for talking to anyone about Christ.


35 posted on 03/12/2013 12:34:44 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

psstttt.... post 19.

You did it.


36 posted on 03/12/2013 12:39:39 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: greyfoxx39

We had a guest Baptist preacher in church tell us that Jesus, at the marriage in Canna, “changed the water into pure unfermented grape juice!”

We tried not to burst out laughing.


37 posted on 03/12/2013 12:42:46 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I think most Mormons don’t know of all the immorality practiced by the church fathers.


38 posted on 03/12/2013 12:51:01 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: WilliamRobert

“Everytime I see something like this posted I know your hate and bigotry is working overtime. Mostly I know what is pisted is bovine excrement and should taken as the complete utter lie it is intented to be. May God have mercy pn your hate filled soul.”


The truth is offensive to the world. There was nothing hateful in the post at all, and exposing Mormonism, or any false religious system, is perfectly acceptable. Only Jesus Christ is supreme, all other gods are false gods. You conclude by telling him “May God have mercy on your hate filled soul.” So do you really think God will have mercy on your soul, when you deny the exclusivity of Jesus Christ and defend religions that make Him out to be a liar?

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


39 posted on 03/12/2013 12:59:53 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Vigilanteman

Oh, that explains their unmathced support of Mitt ROmney...


40 posted on 03/12/2013 1:01:01 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: WilliamRobert

Ah WilliamRobert,

You eloquently wrote, “Everytime I see something like this posted I know your hate and bigotry is working overtime. Mostly I know what is pisted is bovine excrement and should taken as the complete utter lie it is intented to be. May God have mercy pn your hate filled soul.”

I have some feedback for you.

1. You have made a (4 actually) personal attack on the person who posted the thread.
2. You claim it is bovine excrement and yet can’t demonstrate any falsehood
3. You claim it is a lie, yet can’t refute it with a fact

Which leads to the only conclusion that your post, claims and attacks are unsupportable.

Now, tell the truth. When you misfired, were you wearing the magic underwear? Fess up.


41 posted on 03/12/2013 1:01:46 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Your message equates to any evangelization being a hate crime. Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and indeed anybody else would have an equal right to be offended by a polite Christian calling on them.”

Ol Logan,
I’m going to take this rare parting in the mists of history to point out we agree on this. It doesn’t matter to me personally, whether someone believes exactly as I do. Like Paul, I surely wish they did, minus the chains, for their own sake. I am not offended personally at all.

In the end, they have personal responsibility and freedom for their own life and choices. I don’t wish to take away the freedom or responibility God gave them.

I’m just a signpost on the way, a friend, or the loving Hand of Christ. Sometimes I get to “put a pebble in their shoe” that continues to feel uncomfortable every time they think about it.

Still, they alone decide the response before God. While I may feel sorrow for their choice, it is their call.


42 posted on 03/12/2013 1:22:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Sherman Logan

No I just believe anyone telling me and my 2 year old child that we were going to Hell because we were Christians and not Mormons to be verbally attacking us to the point of a hate crime...

What would you call it ???


43 posted on 03/12/2013 1:32:48 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sherman Logan

I also believe that mocking my 2 year old when she screamed in fright at the ugly voices was evil..

whatcha think about that if she was your little girl ???


44 posted on 03/12/2013 1:34:50 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Righto.


45 posted on 03/12/2013 1:41:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Tennessee Nana

Did you notice I specifically said “polite?”

If they were rude, or loud or abusive, you had every right to become offended. I’ve never met a Mormon missionary that behaved in this way, but given the number of them out there it would be very surprising if there weren’t some.

But, IMO, you should have considered the rudeness or loudness or abusive language to constitute the verbal attack, not the disagreement.

YMMV, of course.


46 posted on 03/12/2013 1:45:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

If they were rude, or loud or abusive, you had every right to become offended
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Are the evil words not enough ???


47 posted on 03/12/2013 1:48:31 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sherman Logan; Jim Robinson
Sherman stated: Your message equates to any evangelization being a hate crime."

After all, Christ said, “Nobody comes to the Father except thru me,” which means all other religions are false, if you take him at his word.

So, do you take Him at His word? This is, according to the site owner, a Pro-Christian site: "

My position stands. "The so-called book of Mormon is false gospel, ie, fiction. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity or the Word of God.

Look up false prophets in KJV.

Must be a flaw (among many flaws) in my up-bringing."

93 posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 1:32:00 PM by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)

48 posted on 03/12/2013 1:56:24 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I take Him at His word. I believe nobody can come to the Father except through Christ.

I also believe that anyone, whether Mormon, Buddhist or Jewish, who believes differently and politely offers to explain why is not adequate reason to become offended, nor does their doing so constitute a hate crime.


49 posted on 03/12/2013 2:00:42 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I really enjoyed seeing your paintings on your home page...very nice and I have been in several of the sites.


50 posted on 03/12/2013 2:04:21 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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