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I Love Talking To Ex-Mormon Atheists
Mormon Coffee (blog.mrm.org) ^ | March 7, 2013 | Aaron Shafovaloff

Posted on 03/12/2013 9:27:52 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: SeaHawkFan

Placemarker


151 posted on 03/13/2013 7:28:57 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Elsie

I am still trying to figure out how Smith “ran like a deer through the woods” carrying all that gold which “experts” say weighted about 300 pounds.
And really he couldn’t remember where he buried it, paaaalezzzz.


152 posted on 03/13/2013 7:47:29 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Thanks for clearing that up.

Some of our Catholic Freepers get upset when the sins of some of their past popes are displayed here.


153 posted on 03/13/2013 8:51:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vigilanteman
An intelligent post such as yours deserves an intelligent response, but I generally wait until the usual gaggle of idiots on these threads have punched themselves out with the usual cut and paste garbage.

There's not much we can do to keep MORMONs from posting here...

154 posted on 03/13/2013 8:52:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vigilanteman
Actual voting data. The most Mormon county in the United States is Franklin County, Idaho at 92% which delivered a 92% vote for Mitt Romney according to Leip's election atlas.

So; it means that NO non-MORMON voted for Romney there.

How does this data compare to '08?

If it was similar; I'd think the powers that be in the GOP would have KNOWN not to run a MORMON in the rest of the country!

155 posted on 03/13/2013 8:54:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vigilanteman
(Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)


(Joseph Smith: Fake prophet. Fake Translator. Fake Husband. How many fakes can you fit in one Country?)

156 posted on 03/13/2013 8:56:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

All men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Jesus Christ is the only path to salvation and eternal life.


157 posted on 03/13/2013 10:51:39 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan
Jesus Christ is the only path to salvation and eternal life.

HIM and that other guy...


 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

158 posted on 03/13/2013 2:02:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vigilanteman
I appreciate your polite reply.

I can provide many links, but if you search for the Pew Forum poll, you'll find that self-described Mormons voted 78% for Romney and 21% for Obama (and "white evangelical Protestants voted 80% for Romney).

That LDS percentage of voters pulling the Republican lever is down from a 80% vote for Bush in 2004.

According to Pew Forum, there is no data on LDS voting in 2000 and 2008.

I'd like to make it absolutely clear that I don't blame LDS voters for the re-election of Obama. I was simply surprised to read that the LDS vote was allegedly only 78% for Romney; if you read the posts on FR you would have assumed voting would be lockstep Romney.

My best to you.

159 posted on 03/13/2013 2:13:34 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (EndItNowMovement.com)
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To: Elsie
Of course in your laptop NOT(NOT P) = P: computers are built on Aristotelian logic.

It's outside of laptops, in the use of English by native speakers of English, that "She's not unattractive" turns out to be an oblique "damning with faint praise" sort of non-compliment about a woman's appearance, definitely not equivalent to saying she's attractive. This actually is a way of dealing with (and when used as in the last example, playing on) a problem that doesn't arise in laptops: vagueness. There is not sharp universal standard of attractive vs. unattractive as regards feminine pulchritude, just as there is not a universal sharp standard for common vs. uncommon in discussing a behavior or social phenomenon (the original matter in this thread which hyper-Aristotelians jumped on).

The gap between what everyone would regard as common, and what everyone would regard as uncommon, the space where folks would quibble with one saying "We'll I've seen a lot of it, I think it's common" and another saying "What? There's hardly any of that. . .now this [other, nearly universal behavior] is common," is what provides the distinction between the natural language use of "not uncommon" and "common": "not uncommon" denies that the phenomenon is what would generally be agreed to be uncommon, while not asserting that it is what would generally be agreed to be common.

160 posted on 03/14/2013 7:05:10 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: The_Reader_David

Outside of a dog; a book is man’s best friend.

Inside of one; it’s too dark to read.


161 posted on 03/14/2013 11:37:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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