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CAL THOMAS COMMENTARY MARCH 12, 2013 THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH THIS WEEKS BEGINS THE PROCES
CalThomas.com ^ | March 12 2013 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 03/13/2013 8:11:02 AM PDT by opbuzz

THE IDEA OF A POPE IS BASED ON A FALSE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE, THAT JESUS WANTED TO BUILD HIS CHURCH ON PETER, INSTEAD OF HIMSELF. WHY WOULD JESUS BUILD HIS CHURCH ON A SINFUL MAN?

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I guess he is yelling his dislike of Catholics, or maybe his sarcasm is too astute for me.
1 posted on 03/13/2013 8:11:02 AM PDT by opbuzz
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To: opbuzz

Could it be because the Church is the “Bride of Christ” ?


3 posted on 03/13/2013 8:13:49 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: opbuzz
WHY WOULD JESUS BUILD HIS CHURCH ON A SINFUL MAN?

Because that's the only kind there is.

4 posted on 03/13/2013 8:14:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: opbuzz

Cal Thomas is a terrible theologian. I can pray to whoever I want and not break the first commandment. Just because some American Protestants think pray means exclusively worship of God doesn’t make it so. Pray also means “to ask” in much of the English world. The bible says that even death cannot separate us from the body of Christ. Therefore, I can pray to (i.e. ask) Mary to pray to Jesus concerning whatever I want to have prayed for.


5 posted on 03/13/2013 8:16:15 AM PDT by impimp
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To: opbuzz

Looks like his caps lock is stuck. Maybe he should have left this topic to the religion editor. No, wait. . . .


6 posted on 03/13/2013 8:16:31 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: opbuzz

Knowing the Bible, I have to admit that this watching of the smoke looks silly to me.

I have lost a lot of what little respect I had, for the Catholic religion, over this.


7 posted on 03/13/2013 8:16:53 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Never on my watch
He is/was Catholic.

Disregard, I was mistaken.

8 posted on 03/13/2013 8:17:40 AM PDT by Never on my watch (GALT)
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To: impimp

When we pray, who do you think hears those prayers other than God?


9 posted on 03/13/2013 8:17:53 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: opbuzz

Cal Thomas just offered me 30% of his fathers’ diamond mine in Nigeria.


10 posted on 03/13/2013 8:18:23 AM PDT by dangus
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To: opbuzz

I don’t call that a rant. I call it a legitimate point of view.


11 posted on 03/13/2013 8:18:24 AM PDT by DManA
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To: opbuzz

His points are very valid ones that have been brought up for centuries and were probably instrumental in Martin Luther’s time and the Reformation.

So, I guess you can argue and argue and argue about those points, but I always try to rely on St. Thomas Aquinas, Fulton Sheen, William Buckley, Jr., etc., all of whom were extremely intelligent, and all of whom were deeply Catholic.

I wonder, therefore, how could they rationalize these contentious points and then resolve that they were going to the right church.


12 posted on 03/13/2013 8:19:28 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: DManA

Agreed


13 posted on 03/13/2013 8:19:47 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: opbuzz

I think as soon as the Catholic church accepts the/a reformist pope the church will be irrelevant. Look at any of the churches who deny that it’s the blood of Christ that buys redemption. Then their will be only a remnant of Christians.


14 posted on 03/13/2013 8:20:39 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: opbuzz

Grace


15 posted on 03/13/2013 8:20:55 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Because that’s the only kind there is.”

Not true. Christ was without sin and he was fully man...!

“Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.”


16 posted on 03/13/2013 8:21:35 AM PDT by swampfox101
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To: opbuzz

Strange. While I agree with him, I don’t agree with his approach.

BTW, the Baptist’s believe in a Pope too. They just believe every little church has one. And they call him “Pastor” instead of “Pope.”

Just as unscriptural......nowhere in the NT is there a man titled as a pastor heading a church. No where. Only use of singular noun “pastor” (Gr: poimen) always refers to and is only used in reference to the Lord Jesus.

In Eph. 4 is is one of the gifts given to men to serve the body of Christ. It is never a title or position. It is plural, not singular. Except referring to Jesus.

For those who proclaim the absolute truth of scripture, there is no doctrine/practice more unscriptural in Christendom than having one man head a local church and call him the “pastor”.

Ok, flame away, all who believe in the local pope.

Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt, got the tatoo.....


17 posted on 03/13/2013 8:22:24 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: svcw

At least it’s a view held my more than half of all who call themselves Christian.

Not that matters of Christian conscience are subject to a popular vote.


18 posted on 03/13/2013 8:23:03 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Never on my watch
Cal Thomas is a Reformed Christian.

He is not a Catholic now, nor have I heard that he ever was a Catholic.

19 posted on 03/13/2013 8:24:04 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: impimp
1 Timothy 2:5 - For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Further why should I pray to a person, when I can talk to God directly?

20 posted on 03/13/2013 8:25:38 AM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: impimp

Amen to that!


21 posted on 03/13/2013 8:26:54 AM PDT by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: opbuzz

if it’s not your religion... what does it matter and why criticize the faith of others?


22 posted on 03/13/2013 8:27:25 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Truth2012

Because of watching smoke you lost your respect? Seems rather fickle.


23 posted on 03/13/2013 8:27:53 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: wideawake
He is not a Catholic now, nor have I heard that he ever was a Catholic.

Yes, I corrected myself in post #8. I thought I heard him say he was Catholic in the past. Obviously, I mis-remembered.

I suspect I will be corrected many more times today.

24 posted on 03/13/2013 8:29:24 AM PDT by Never on my watch (GALT)
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To: laweeks
"St. Thomas Aquinas, Fulton Sheen, William Buckley, Jr., etc., all of whom were extremely intelligent, and all of whom were deeply Catholic ..."

... and at some times in their lives, sinful.

25 posted on 03/13/2013 8:29:34 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Palin was correct!)
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To: impimp

But why would you, when you can pray to Jesus directly yourself? “There is only one mediator and advocate, Jesus Christ”. I’m asking because I truly want to know the idea behind this prayer to anyone other than Christ, not because I’m arguing.


26 posted on 03/13/2013 8:30:50 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: opbuzz

Doubting Thomas - the gates of hell won’t prevail against the Catholic Church - 2000+ years should give you a hint of what Jesus had in mind.

BTW - God picked out David but I’m sure you would have picked someone not sinful. The only sinless person born was Mary, the mother of Jesus. Now that must really frost you. Cal, you are screwed up. Go to confession and straighten out.


27 posted on 03/13/2013 8:32:33 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Truth2012

So you have no respect for the church and their unwavering position on pro-life issues, homosexual marriage, social justice, etc? Or how we help feed millions of impoverished people all over the world, or come to their aid when a disaster strikes.

Yeah, we’re pretty awful.


28 posted on 03/13/2013 8:32:41 AM PDT by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: ex-snook
The only sinless person born was Mary, the mother of Jesus.

Ummm...

29 posted on 03/13/2013 8:35:07 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Truth2012
So, would a tweet be preferable to a smoke signal?

What if they waved a flag to announce a ballot result instead?

How about hanging a lantern, would that do?

Or a cannonade?

Where does the Bible forbid announcing selection of pastors using chimneys, precisely?

Can you cite the passage that has inspired your misgiving on this point?

30 posted on 03/13/2013 8:35:41 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Truth2012

Considering the frightening challenges facing Christians, this discussion seems to range from silly to schismatic.


31 posted on 03/13/2013 8:36:02 AM PDT by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.)
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To: swampfox101

Not true. Christ was without sin and he was fully man...!

Christ was not fully man...He is God as man. He is Divine.
He is more than just man.


32 posted on 03/13/2013 8:36:21 AM PDT by rose
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To: Truth2012
These guys have successully kept the tradition and right of voting alive for a good 1400 years ~ sometimes ALONE ~ and you think it's silly?

I think it's remarkable. Now, if the same folks would suddenly wake up and extend the process to the laity ....... why then they'd be more orthodox eh! (a pun), or maybe even Protestant ~ well, some Protestants use election in their ecclesiastical processes. Not everybody does that.

The Cardinals are even supposed to pray for divine guidance in the matter, and a super majority is required!

We'd be doing good to get half that out of our Senate.

33 posted on 03/13/2013 8:36:29 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Truth2012

I’m so glad Christ loves His Church (the Catholic Church) no matter what you think of it or Him.


34 posted on 03/13/2013 8:37:11 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: jagusafr; impimp

Also FTA.....

WHAT ABOUT PRAYING TO MARY AND INDIVIDUAL SAINTS? AGAIN, THERE IS ONLY ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN: THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. TRADITION IN THE CATHLIC CHURCH IS EQUAL TO SCRIPTURE. THAT, TOO, IS UNBIBLICAL.

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Catholics walk a tight-rope when they claim they don’t pray to dead people; that they only “ask” those dead people to ask Christ for this or that.

That argument falls off the tight-rope every time.


35 posted on 03/13/2013 8:37:33 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: ex-snook

Where is your Biblical proof for Mary not having original sin?


36 posted on 03/13/2013 8:37:49 AM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: opbuzz
Peter WAS a sinfull man but was saved and, therfore is no longer a sinfull man
37 posted on 03/13/2013 8:37:51 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: eCSMaster
"St. Thomas Aquinas, Fulton Sheen, William Buckley, Jr., etc., all of whom were extremely intelligent, and all of whom were deeply Catholic ..."

... and at some times in their lives, sinful.

Not sure what you mean.

38 posted on 03/13/2013 8:39:31 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: ex-snook

“The only sinless person born was Mary, the mother of Jesus. Now that must really frost you. Cal, you are screwed up.”

God’s word says otherwise: Romans 3:23
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”


39 posted on 03/13/2013 8:40:27 AM PDT by swampfox101
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To: Never on my watch

I could have sworn he was Catholic too. I thought I actually remembered him saying it on Fox News Watch. Maybe he was making a point about ‘small c’ vs. ‘big c’ Catholic or something.

Freegards


40 posted on 03/13/2013 8:40:39 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: wideawake
Can you cite the passage that has inspired your misgiving on this point?
 

Thats just it. There is no scripture that even remotely suggests this silly smoke signal business be conducted. But hey - if this traditional dogma makes anyone feel holy - then go for it.

41 posted on 03/13/2013 8:41:14 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Truth2012

How much respect should anyone have for an ignorant fool such as yourself, who already disrespects a great religion, and then attacks it because you don’t like the ceremonial burning of the ballots? Big deal.


42 posted on 03/13/2013 8:41:41 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: LukeL

What is wrong with asking Mary to pray to Jesus too? I may be a little tongue-in-cheek here but, her prayers probably carry more weight than most peoples’ prayers. Rallying her to your cause surely cannot hurt.

More seriously- Maccabees provides an excellent example of how praying for others can be useful. But that isn’t in your bible so...

1 Timothy 2:1 ESV

First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people,

The bible seems to imply that praying for others is useful.


43 posted on 03/13/2013 8:41:45 AM PDT by impimp
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To: dirtymac

Being saved does not make you sinless. We are still sinners, the human being always sins, why do we continually as for forgiveness of our wrongs. We are saved sinners.


44 posted on 03/13/2013 8:42:14 AM PDT by rose
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To: opbuzz

I agree with him.


45 posted on 03/13/2013 8:42:17 AM PDT by txgirl4Bush (2012 can't come soon enough!)
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To: Truth2012

Oh, you’re just blowing smoke!


46 posted on 03/13/2013 8:43:20 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: svcw
Cal Thomas, if I recall correctly is a Baptist of some stripe. Therefore, his rant against the Catholic Church is based on that theological view point. Baptists have long rejected the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church has returned the favor.

CAL THOMAS COMMENTARY MARCH 12, 2013

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH THIS WEEKS BEGINS THE PROCESS OF SELECTING ANOTHER POPE. THE MEDIA SEEM FOCUSED ON THE POLITICS AND THE SEX SCANDALS. WHAT THEY ARE NOT FOCUSING ON IS CHURCH DOCTRINE.

THE IDEA OF A POPE IS BASED ON A FALSE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE, THAT JESUS WANTED TO BUILD HIS CHURCH ON PETER, INSTEAD OF HIMSELF. WHY WOULD JESUS BUILD HIS CHURCH ON A SINFUL MAN? HE BUILDS IT UPON THE ROCK, ALL RIGHT, BUT THAT ROCK IS HIMSELF. THEN THERE’S THE ISSUE OF CONFESSION TO A PRIEST, NOT TO MENTION PURGATORY WHICH IS NOT MENTIONED IN SCRIPTURE AND SUGGESTS THAT THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST IS INSUFFICIENT TO CLEANSE FROM ALL SIN, AGAIN, A VIOLATION OF BIBLICAL TRUTH.

WHAT ABOUT PRAYING TO MARY AND INDIVIDUAL SAINTS? AGAIN, THERE IS ONLY ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN: THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. TRADITION IN THE CATHLIC CHURCH IS EQUAL TO SCRIPTURE. THAT, TOO, IS UNBIBLICAL.

JOURNALISTS WON’T QUESTIONS THESE THINGS. THEY TAKE ALL ASSERTIONS BY CATHOLICS AS GOSPEL. IT’S TOO BAD BECAUSE FOR THE UNINFORMED THIS COULD BE, AS THEY SAY, A TEACHABLE MOMENT. I’M CAL THOMAS IN WASHINGTON.

Thomas goes through the litany of standard complaints: Petrine succession, confession, purgatory, the Mass, Mary, and Saints.

Incorrect versus False.

He uses the word "false". It may just be me, but "false" implies "intentionally wrong" or "intentionally deceitful". Incorrect suggests a theological disagreement in which you think one party has come to a wrong answer.

Dr Scott Hahn has shown that there is a biblical argument for Petrine succession, confession, purgatory, the real presence, and the cloud of witnesses including Mary and other prominent Christians from the past.

To the extent that there is a biblical argument, one can't level a charge of deceit. One can only conclude that the other is wrong.

I prefer to see Roman Catholics as being on the same team as I am, struggling in their way to promote Jesus Christ. As to their tracing their lineage back to Peter, I'm fairly convinced that it isn't as clean a spiritual genealogy as they would like, but that they do accomplish the task of tracing themselves to Peter. I do believe that Jesus said He would found (get started) His church on Peter. The early part of the book of Acts tells that story in detail. I don't think that places Peter in charge because in Acts 15 James is seen in charge. However, it's a cool thing to have a genealogy back to one of the apostles, and an important one from the inner circle.

We could go into the other doctrinal discussions, and the one I'd focus on, if I were to argue with Dr Hahn on the biblical origin of Catholic beliefs, is the Immaculate Conception, and I'm not satisfied with his argument that Revelation 12 depicts Mary after her assumption. It depicts God's people (Israel?) as the context indicates.

I totally disagree with Thomas on his timing and his word choice. It's like speaking ill of someone in the presence of his family at the funeral, and that just being an opinion.

47 posted on 03/13/2013 8:43:37 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Truth2012

Ceremony is a kind of beauty. Beauty can be silly, too, but not ceremony.


48 posted on 03/13/2013 8:44:06 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: vladimir998

Christ loves all, the church is not a building it is the Body of Christ.


49 posted on 03/13/2013 8:44:20 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: opbuzz

What other kind of men does God have to build His church with, but “sinners?” And, it is precisely that we all do fall short of Him that is the reason for the Church (and synagogue) in the first place... to help connect us better with Him and His will for us.

Cal Thomas has totally missed the point...


50 posted on 03/13/2013 8:46:35 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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