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10 Facts about Pope Francis
Canterbury Tales ^ | March 13, 2013 | DR. TAYLOR MARSHALL

Posted on 03/13/2013 3:42:15 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 03/13/2013 3:42:15 PM PDT by NYer
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Ping!


2 posted on 03/13/2013 3:42:37 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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7.In Argentina, he has been accused by anti-clericalists as being "medieval" (another good sign).

I just hope he formally excommunicates Pelosi, Kerry, Giuliani, and all the other fake "Catholic" politicians.

3 posted on 03/13/2013 3:46:14 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: NYer
has been accused by anti-clericalists as being "medieval"

Need a pope with a mindset of about the 12th century. Too bad he didn't name himself Urban the Xth

4 posted on 03/13/2013 3:47:37 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: rfp1234

Biden ought to be in the Top 10 of that list too.


5 posted on 03/13/2013 3:48:02 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NYer
Pope Francis, Jorge Bergoglio, was born in Buenos Aires, one of the five children of an Italian railway worker and his wife.

The Holy Father's father is from Italy?

Rome perchance?

6 posted on 03/13/2013 3:49:15 PM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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Aren’t Jesuits Catholic?? Sorry for the ignorance but ...???


7 posted on 03/13/2013 3:53:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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....formally excommunicates Pelosi, Kerry, Giuliani, and all the other fake “Catholic” politicians...

After a good ol’ “medieval” inquisition!


8 posted on 03/13/2013 3:53:54 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: NYer
and a commitment to social justice.

Oh boy, anti Liberation Theology yet a commitment to Social Justice, that sounds like Colin Powell being a pro-choice Republican also for gun control but is ok with a capital gains cut. I am sorry for being cynical, but I need to hear more about his definition of "social justice"...

9 posted on 03/13/2013 3:56:02 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: SkyDancer

Yes. Jesuit is a subset. Most priests are trained and work in their own diocese. Jesuits are outside geography and are also more academic. Most of the Catholic universities - Georgetown, Boston, Depaul, Gonzaga, Marquette, Notre Dame are run by Jesuits.

If you want to generalize in America they have been progressive thus these Catholic universities are no have of Catholic religiosity. It sounds like that might not be true of the Pope.


10 posted on 03/13/2013 3:56:58 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: null and void
The Holy Father's father is from Italy?

Yes! Many Italians emigrated to both North and South America. One commentator suggested that, with the election of an Argentinian from Italian extraction, many Italian families tonight are asking themselves "Don't we have an uncle (aunt, cousin) in Argentina?" Italians tend to be a proud people, regardless of where their relatives have settled.

Rome perchance?

Does it matter? It is not uncommon for Italian emigrants to say they come from a large city when, in fact, they come from a neighboring area which most foreigners would not recognize.

11 posted on 03/13/2013 3:57:53 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: SkyDancer
Aren’t Jesuits Catholic?? Sorry for the ignorance but ...???

Yes .. of course! No need to apologize for ignorance. The Society of Jesus (Latin: Societas Iesu, S.J., SJ or SI) is a Christian male religious order of the Roman Catholic Church. The members are called Jesuits and are also known colloquially as "God's Marines", these being references to founder Ignatius of Loyola's military background and members' willingness to accept orders anywhere in the world and live in extreme conditions. The society is engaged in evangelization and apostolic ministry in 112 nations on six continents. The society's founding principles are contained in the document Formula of the Institute, written by Ignatius of Loyola. Jesuits are known for their work in education (founding schools, colleges, universities and seminaries), intellectual research, and cultural pursuits, and for their missionary efforts. Jesuits also give retreats, minister in hospitals and parishes and promote social justice and ecumenical dialogue.

12 posted on 03/13/2013 4:03:16 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: sgtyork

Okay, thanks. I don’t see why they wouldn’t have been at least nominated. They do good work in education. I guess it’s how well you work with the masses that count. They don’t do Mass, do they?


13 posted on 03/13/2013 4:04:02 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: taildragger

It’s probably something radical like ‘love your neighbor,’ rather than trust the government to love your neighbor.


14 posted on 03/13/2013 4:05:08 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: NYer

Well then I find it sad that they weren’t even thought of in the nomination process (if there is one) - and thanks again for your information.


15 posted on 03/13/2013 4:06:37 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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Oh boy, anti Liberation Theology yet a commitment to Social Justice, that sounds like Colin Powell being a pro-choice Republican also for gun control but is ok with a capital gains cut. I am sorry for being cynical, but I need to hear more about his definition of "social justice"...,/i>

This is the way I see it as well. I don't believe economic conservatives are really happy about this choice, but most are trying to put a happy face on anyway. Argentina has an awful economic history - filled with currency defaults. They've had way too much "social justice" and they never, ever learn that government confiscation and collectivism doesn't work. This pope seems to be very conservative on the social issues and that is good news, but I don't feel very reassured about his economic views. Hopefully it turns out that he understands that free markets lift people out of poverty, not government dependency.

16 posted on 03/13/2013 4:08:02 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: NYer

Jesuits have their own Pope, do ‘t they ? The Black Pope?
NWO -types...


17 posted on 03/13/2013 4:09:32 PM PDT by nevermorelenore
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To: nevermorelenore

Oy vey.


18 posted on 03/13/2013 4:12:33 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

Define “Social Justice”.


19 posted on 03/13/2013 4:14:22 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: SkyDancer

Oh sure, they are priests — say mass, hear confessions — just follow a different way into the vocation.


20 posted on 03/13/2013 4:14:40 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: nevermorelenore

They used to but they denounced and burned him in the Inquisition.

Please see the humor people. I am not being serious


21 posted on 03/13/2013 4:16:57 PM PDT by Fai Mao
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To: SkyDancer
No, you are quite right. Jesuits are Catholic. Jesuits are sometimes referred to as the "teaching order".

From Wikipedia:

The Society of Jesus (Latin: Societas Iesu, S.J., SJ or SI) is a Christian male religious order of the Roman Catholic Church. The members are called Jesuits and are also known colloquially as "God's Marines",[2] these being references to founder Ignatius of Loyola's military background and members' willingness to accept orders anywhere in the world and live in extreme conditions.

The society is engaged in evangelization and apostolic ministry in 112 nations on six continents. The society's founding principles are contained in the document Formula of the Institute, written by Ignatius of Loyola. Jesuits are known for their work in education (founding schools, colleges, universities and seminaries), intellectual research, and cultural pursuits, and for their missionary efforts. Jesuits also give retreats, minister in hospitals and parishes and promote social justice and ecumenical dialogue.

My husband is an alumnus of Boston College, which is a Jesuit university.

22 posted on 03/13/2013 4:17:25 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sgtyork

Just curious to me why they were excluded for so long. I’m glad for the new Pope. Seems like a nice guy with some nice ideas. I wish him well.


23 posted on 03/13/2013 4:17:59 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: trisham

I sometimes stay away from looking up things because I can’t pinpoint some bias maybe in the article. You looks at too many and you never get an idea of what’s right or not. Better to ask someone more informed.


24 posted on 03/13/2013 4:19:42 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: null and void
The Holy Father's father is from Italy?

A good friend of mine is an Argentine. He always describes himself and his countrymen as Italians with a Spanish accent! They sound like a very colorful bunch!

25 posted on 03/13/2013 4:22:42 PM PDT by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It makes it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: SkyDancer

The nomination process is secret...there’s no way to know if a Jesuit has ever been nominated or not.


26 posted on 03/13/2013 4:22:46 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: SkyDancer
No, you are quite right. Jesuits are Catholic. Jesuits are sometimes referred to as the "teaching order".

From Wikipedia:

"The Society of Jesus (Latin: Societas Iesu, S.J., SJ or SI) is a Christian male religious order of the Roman Catholic Church. The members are called Jesuits and are also known colloquially as "God's Marines",[2] these being references to founder Ignatius of Loyola's military background and members' willingness to accept orders anywhere in the world and live in extreme conditions.

The society is engaged in evangelization and apostolic ministry in 112 nations on six continents. The society's founding principles are contained in the document Formula of the Institute, written by Ignatius of Loyola. Jesuits are known for their work in education (founding schools, colleges, universities and seminaries), intellectual research, and cultural pursuits, and for their missionary efforts. Jesuits also give retreats, minister in hospitals and parishes and promote social justice and ecumenical dialogue."

My husband is an alumnus of Boston College, which is a Jesuit university.

Sorry. I neglected to add commas in my first post.

27 posted on 03/13/2013 4:23:48 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SkyDancer

Oy. I should have said that I forgot to add quotations. I’m sorry.


28 posted on 03/13/2013 4:25:37 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Define “Social Justice”.

"Social Justice" is different in every country. Insofar as the new pope is concerned, "social Justice" would be defined as it is applied in Argentina. Are you familiar with Argentina?

29 posted on 03/13/2013 4:26:12 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: SkyDancer

I hear you. Thanks for your interest and thoughtful post.


30 posted on 03/13/2013 4:26:58 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Does it matter?

Only in that St. Malachy said the last pope would be The Rock of Roman....

31 posted on 03/13/2013 4:27:22 PM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Longbow1969

He supposedly isn’t popular with the Vatican Curia

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/03/13/cardinal-jorge-bergoglio-of-argentina-voted-new-pope-of-the-catholic-church/

Maybe he can clean up the Lavender Gay Mafia mess within the Church.

I would consider him an outsider. That is what they need.


32 posted on 03/13/2013 4:27:25 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: sgtyork
Dear sgtyork,

Notre Dame is run by the Holy Cross fathers (Congregation of Holy Cross).


sitetest

33 posted on 03/13/2013 4:27:42 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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Well, I hope Dr. Marshall didn't "bet the house" on his own personal prognosticative pick for the Papal office.    :-)

Before today, some people were saying that they hope the new Pope will push the cause of liturgical reform forward more effectively, including wider use of the Traditional Latin Mass.    Here's hoping he might also consider seeking to expand the use of the beautiful Eastern Divine Liturgy into more of the Western Churches as well, since he has that familiarity with it.

34 posted on 03/13/2013 4:28:10 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Sing to the Lord a new song; sing to the Lord, all the earth!" Psalm 96:1)
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I believe the “Rome perchance?” is referring to the prophecy of the last pope being called Peter of Rome.


35 posted on 03/13/2013 4:30:39 PM PDT by FarmerW ( - Milton Friedman - The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.)
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To: RummyChick
He supposedly isn’t popular with the Vatican Curia

Just wait until Pope Francis gets his hands on the document that B16 left him on the Curia.

From what I read, B16 left that document for the eyes of the next Hoy Father only.

36 posted on 03/13/2013 4:31:34 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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Pope Francis is known for his humility, doctrinal conservatism, defender of the Church's moral theology, and a commitment to social justice.

He was doing so well, right up to the end...
37 posted on 03/13/2013 4:34:19 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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Only too well.

But the variability of “social justice” by country is not believable for Catholics. They tend to say and mean one thing.


38 posted on 03/13/2013 4:34:58 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: RummyChick
I would consider him an outsider. That is what they need.

They certainly need to weed out all these gay priests once and for all. Putting the homosexual clergy out to pasture will go a long, long way to ending future abuse.

Still, as someone who is not a Catholic, I am far more concerned with the economic influence the Pope may have than I am the inner workings of the organization. When I hear that this Pope's claim to fame is "social justice", I worry - a lot. The Catholic church is not terribly friendly to free market, capitalist thinking. Far too many of their clergy, especially the Jesuits (and this Pope is/was a Jesuit), were way far left in their economic views.

39 posted on 03/13/2013 4:36:50 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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Not our first choice as conservatives, but at least he holds strong convictions on social issues. No gay marriage. period.


40 posted on 03/13/2013 4:37:57 PM PDT by Viennacon
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and a commitment to social justice.

What the HELL is "social justice"?! I'll tell you what Thomas Sowell thinks it is: (from memory): it is whatever the speaker things at the moment it is.

Are you for "social injustice"? I didn't think so. I know you're also for "choice" and for "gaiety", too.

41 posted on 03/13/2013 4:40:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Social justice in a truly Christian sense is radically different from social justice in today’s liberal, phoney secular sense.
It’s like the difference between Mother Theresa saying, “we are our brother’s keeper” and when Obama says it.


42 posted on 03/13/2013 5:08:09 PM PDT by pke
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To: highball

His idea of “social justice” is based heavily on personal morality and personal charity. That’s fine with me - nothing about that “world order” that Turkson, Scherer and Sodano were talking about.

I think he’s a compromise choice, because the two sides knew they were too far apart to even bother dragging it out. The Italian Vatican II folks wanted either Scherer or Turkson, both mildly leftist and weak “social justice” types that they could control. Most of the BXVI crowd probably wanted Scola, initially, but after the business of a friend of his in the city government in Milan was raided for bidding irregularities yesterday, I think they probably backed off on his candidacy. (Scola had nothing to do with the business or its irregularities, but you know that the press would have been all over him.)

So the BXVI crowd probably moved on to Ranjith, but the liberals hated him too much. Several of the other possibilities (such as most of the Americans) were too young, because it was obvious that the electors didn’t want another 27 year papacy like that of JPII, who was elected when he was in his 50s. Bergoglio is almost 77, and even though he seems to be in good health, he’s obviously not going to have a 27 year reign.

That said, while he wouldn’t have been my first choice, I think even the name he picked has told us something about him and it’s certainly not bad. Remember, St Francis was told by the Lord to “Rebuild My Church.”


43 posted on 03/13/2013 5:14:26 PM PDT by livius
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To: SkyDancer

“Just curious to me why they were excluded for so long.”

The Jesuits have not been “excluded.”

By tradition, and because they are priests of a religious order and not of a specific diocese, Jesuit priests are rarely elevated to bishop, archbishop, or cardinal. In fact, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, who holds a very powerful position in the Church, is referred to as “The Black Pope” because he wears the black cassock of an ordinary priest, not the purple or scarlet robes of bishops and cardinals.

Although technically an ordinary priest can be elected pope(he is made a bishop before installed as pope), this does not occur much, and not in modern times.

So, Pope Francis is the rare Jesuit who has been made a cardinal and also been the head of an archdiocese (the only other one I know offhand was Cardinal Martini, previous Archbishop of Milan).

Pope JP II elevated a Jesuit theologian to Cardinal as an essentially honorary office (he was older than 80 and ineligible to vote when elevated)- that was Avery Cardinal Dulles, who was a professor at Fordham University.


44 posted on 03/13/2013 5:19:32 PM PDT by paterfamilias
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Thanks NYer.

[snip] he is close to Comunione e Liberazione [/snip]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communion_and_Liberation


45 posted on 03/13/2013 5:21:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Longbow1969

“Putting the homosexual clergy out to pasture will go a long, long way to ending future abuse.”

I would say that it has to go further than that. The clergy that have been using their station to serve their predatory proclivities rather than serving the Church need to be defrocked and turned over to civil authorities.


46 posted on 03/13/2013 5:23:34 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: catfish1957
The last Urban was Urban VIII.

There is a fictitious Urban X in Voltaire's famous anti-clerical novel Candide, the supposed father of the old lady who becomes part of the group following Candide on his adventures. A Jesuit provincial in South America also figures in Candide, and Pope Francis was a Jesuit provincial earlier. So Voltaire must be spinning in his grave.

47 posted on 03/13/2013 5:33:36 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: sitetest

I stand corrected, thanks.


48 posted on 03/13/2013 5:34:18 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Uncle Miltie
If you really want to know what Social Doctrine (please use that correct term than the loaded "Social Justice" term used so often by liberals) then you should read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Compendium-Doctrine-Pontifical-Council-Justice/dp/1574556924 Available for free online on Vatican website: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_doc_20060526_compendio-dott-soc_en.html Available as a PDF here: http://www.discerninghearts.com/PDF/COMPENDIUM+of+Catholic+Social+Doctrine.pdf The cover of the book, by the way, is a picture of a portion of a painting called Allegory of Good Government. The authors of the compendium were slapping the nanny state types by using it because the original painting is coupled with another painting - "Allegory of Bad Government" which is represented as the government of Satan which oppresses people through excessive taxation and regulation. See painting here.
49 posted on 03/13/2013 5:38:39 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: NYer

God bless you, dear FRiend, and thank you as always for your wonderful threads. Viva il Papa!


50 posted on 03/13/2013 5:42:28 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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