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"Lowly, And Yet Chosen," Enter Pope Francis (some phenomenal firsts with this election)
Whispers in the Loggia ^ | March 13, 2013 | Rocco Palmo

Posted on 03/13/2013 3:50:45 PM PDT by NYer

Church, say hello to the new Boss.

For the cardinal-electors to have gone out of Europe for the first time in over a millennium, to have gone to a Jesuit for the first time ever, and to have gone to the runner-up at the last Conclave in all of five ballots – with more than half the electorate changed over since last time – is not merely decisive....

Indeed, it's epic. 

And make no mistake about it – this is a mandate.

To no small degree, having come close to facing the "guillotine" last time, Jorge Mario Bergoglio has had almost eight years to prepare for this. Yet even beyond the first notes he struck as Pope Francis I, a Page Three note in the moment seemed to sum up the ecclesial significance best....

This ain't Francis I so much as John Paul I
— Rocco Palmo (@roccopalmo) March 13, 2013
To be sure, that was down to the vesture – the simple white cassock, shirking the ermine mozzetta that was supposed to be worn with it. 

And now, we'll get to see what those 33 Days would've looked like, if they had had the chance to play out.

Most of all, though, let us pray....
O God, who in your providential design
willed that your Church be built
upon blessed Peter, whom you set over the other apostles,
look with favor, we pray, on Francis, our Pope,
and grant that he, whom you have made Peter’s successor,
may be for your people a visible source and foundation
of unity in faith and of communion.
Through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son,
who lives and reigns with you in the unity of the Holy Spirit,
one God, forever and ever.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events
KEYWORDS: bergoglio; conclave; pope; popefrancis; romancatholicism

1 posted on 03/13/2013 3:50:45 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/13/2013 3:51:12 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

bttt


3 posted on 03/13/2013 4:00:22 PM PDT by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: NYer

I can just see him having an impact on the Latin world just when it is so sorely needed, I see him being accepted by the Europeans because his ancestry is Italian, appealling to intellectuals.

If, as has been reported on FR, the name Francis comes from St. Francis Xavier, it gives him a connection to Asia and evangelization.

He is strongly, pro-life, anti-homosexuality, (Hate the si, not the sinner.) I haven’t read anything I haven’t liked so far. Those who are attacking him are doing so by pointing out his faithfulness to Church teaching.


4 posted on 03/13/2013 4:28:18 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki
Those who are attacking him are doing so by pointing out his faithfulness to Church teaching.

Excellent observation.

5 posted on 03/13/2013 4:38:56 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Another Catholic Pope! It must be some kind of conspiracy!" ~Homer_J_Simpson)
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To: NYer

Aptly reflected in Pope Francis’ motto:

Miserando atque eligendo

“Showing compassion and choosing”

A human saint is a rare person indeed.


6 posted on 03/13/2013 4:47:35 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NYer

I wish him a long and blessed Papacy (and I’m a Protestant). He’s certainly a young-looking 76 years old.

I’m actually surprised that none of the previous Popes chose Francis as their papal name.

}:-)4


7 posted on 03/13/2013 5:04:06 PM PDT by Moose4 (SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED.)
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To: Moose4
The last time a pope took a completely new name (never used before) was in 897 (Pope Romanus)--I haven't checked to see if that was his original name. John Paul I was honoring the last two popes by his name.

I saw one report that Cardinal O'Malley was also thinking of taking the name Francis if he was chosen. As a Franciscan (Capuchin) that would be natural.

There were two major Jesuit saints named Francis--Francis Xavier, who is better known, and Francis Borgia (a descendant of the Borgia pope, Alexander VI). Francis Borgia was a widower when he joined the Jesuits--one of his descendants became Queen of England (Catherine of Braganza, wife of King Charles II).

8 posted on 03/13/2013 5:24:50 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: tiki

Actually, in that case, he would have taken the whole name Francis Xavier - but he took Francis, because the charge given to St. Francis (of Assisi) was “Rebuild My Church.”

Also, Francis went on pilgrimage everywhere, even going to preach to the Muslims, who were so surprised by his audacity that they didn’t even behead him (it is said that their leader did become a Christian secretly after Francis returned home). Francis is also very popular in the Eastern Church. I think he’s regarded as a “Holy Fool,” that most Russian of saints.

Francis was a great evangelizer, and of course, Latin America was evangelized by a combination of the Jesuits, the Dominicans - and the Franciscans, with the latter group probably having been the most successful.

Some people are speculating that this will have an impact on the very disorderly Jesuit order, too.

I think people should calm down. Bergoglio wouldn’t have been my first choice, but what do I know? And I think we know enough good things about him to be encouraged.

My only fear is that he won’t be strong enough to stand up to the curial monsters who basically brought down BXVI.


9 posted on 03/13/2013 5:26:12 PM PDT by livius
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To: Verginius Rufus

Francis Borgia was General of the Jesuits at the time of the evangelization of major parts of the New World.


10 posted on 03/13/2013 5:27:55 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

As A Protestant I like him for lots of reasons. He’s firm on the moral teaching of the church and calls for Evangelization and Care for the Needy. He carries himself with humility, which is very welcome.

Was the missing “”M” monogram (for “Mary) on his tapestry on purpose? John Paul II and Benedict both included it, IIRC. The concept of Mary’s “Motherhood of God” is one of the concepts that we “neo-Nestorians” just have a hard time getting past.


11 posted on 03/13/2013 5:38:26 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: livius

How could you not be encouraged, he is our pope, chosen by the Holy Spirit to guide our Church. I believe that even if the Cardinals tried to thwart the Will of God they would not be able to, so for this time and for this place he is the Vicar of Christ, chosen by the Holy Spirit.


12 posted on 03/13/2013 6:00:07 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki

Assisi, not Xavier.


13 posted on 03/13/2013 6:09:03 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: NYer

Amen! Amen! to that prayer.


14 posted on 03/13/2013 6:28:54 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: cookcounty
Thank you for your cordial words.

Sometime when you have time (it doesn't have to be now), please explain what you meant by objecting to "Mother of God" because you are a (your word) "Neo-Nestorian." I don't understand any of that stuff -- Pelagians, Arians, Semi-Pelagians, Neo-Nestorians, Semi-Hemi-Demi Pelagians, Lollapaloozatarians --- OK, I just made that up --- but perhaps I haven't heard the right explanation.

15 posted on 03/13/2013 6:29:53 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (He whom the whole Universe cannot contain enclosed Himself in your womb, O Virgin, and was made man.)
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To: NYer

With the election of a Christian , many that left shall retrun and many there shall depart.

Go Pope Francis!


16 posted on 03/13/2013 6:32:52 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We have the nation we deserve.I predict FR will hate GOP Candidate for 2016,2020,2024,2028, 2032...)
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To: kabumpo

St. Francis of Assisi is one of my favorite saints. Has been since I was a child and first learned of him and his purported protection of the animals.

Also, my newest grandson was baptized at St. Francis of Assisi Church last December.


17 posted on 03/13/2013 6:34:55 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: NYer

My wife said there is a good Italian film about Saint Francis that I need to watch.

It is high on the To Do List.


18 posted on 03/14/2013 12:37:54 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Updated [http://tinyurl.com/d2opv9v] [http://tinyurl.com/ccqyjmb])
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Brother Sun, Sister Moon” is a wonderful film about the human saintliness of Francis. I believe Zefferelli directed it.


19 posted on 03/14/2013 5:03:34 AM PDT by Melian ("Where will wants not, a way opens.")
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To: Melian
Thank you Melian, saved me some trouble. ;)

Brother Sun, Sister Moon (1972)

20 posted on 03/14/2013 5:13:19 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Updated [http://tinyurl.com/d2opv9v] [http://tinyurl.com/ccqyjmb])
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To: tiki

Actually, not everyone has been attacking him by pointing out his faithfulness.

I think he is putting too much emphasis on the poor (although we will see if he keeps this up in the coming months and years), and I think he is being very imprudent and taking unnecessary security risk like riding the bus instead of a bulletproof car, and worse yet, going into St. Peter’s square on foot.

If you ask me, this is asking for trouble, especially if he makes this a regular habit. He is not respecting his own life enough.


21 posted on 03/17/2013 3:13:06 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: tiki; NYer

NYer gave me a quote a few days ago from Pope Benedict on the role of the Holy Spirit in Papal elections.

I am paraphrasing here, but basically Pope Benedict thinks that the wrong person CAN be chosen because the Cardinal electors can discern wrongly, or even ignore the Holy Spirit. I gave NYer the example of Alexander VI, who almost certainly bought his election by simony, and then became a murderer as Pope (and had many mistresses too, and was exeedingly greedy, and so on).

To say that he was the one choosen by the Holy Spirit seems extremely unlikely to me. Most likely he was chosen with bribery, a most unholy spirit.

But the Pope Benedict believes that even in these worst case scenarios, the Pope will never lead the Church into heresy, because the Holy Spirit will either prevent that Cardinal’s election (or will change his heart on that matter), although he can do just about any personal sin, as history has proven.


22 posted on 03/17/2013 3:18:50 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: LovedSinner; tiki
To say that he was the one choosen by the Holy Spirit seems extremely unlikely to me.

Your comment seems to contradict his actions. Please provide some justification for your misgivings. Thank you.

23 posted on 03/17/2013 5:12:08 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer
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24 posted on 03/17/2013 9:25:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Moose4

Great observation.. I am also surprised this our first Pope Francis after Assisi... a wonderful Saint of the Church. So many have taken the name of Francis in honor of Assisi during confirmation... nice to finally have a Pope that does the same.


25 posted on 03/17/2013 9:28:52 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: tiki

Actually he has taken Francis of Assisi as his inspiration.


26 posted on 03/17/2013 9:29:53 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Hitting my ‘like’ button for your questions...I too would like to know!


27 posted on 03/17/2013 9:33:29 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: LovedSinner

Perhaps he is leaving that up to God.


28 posted on 03/17/2013 9:35:34 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Back to the Mother of God, a concept some ("Neo-Nestorians"?) do not accept:

Is this because, in their view, Jesus is not God?

Or because, in their view, Mary is not Jesus' mother?

29 posted on 03/18/2013 7:26:08 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.")
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To: NYer

I think he is too nice of a person to be elected Pope. We need a tough, bossy person who will impose their will on others, especially dissadent priests and religious. A Thomas Becket sort of personality. Someone who will not be afraid to excommunicate, early and often (and I mean have the ceremony televised in HD, not the automatic excommunication which few people know about). Someone who will overturn the tables of the moneychangers in the temple.

How many sould are being lost because previous Popes have been afraid to confront people below them? They are the boss! And it is not a sin to be forceful and angry!

Anyway, we will agree to disagree.


30 posted on 03/18/2013 10:08:39 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: LovedSinner
I think he is too nice of a person to be elected Pope. We need a tough, bossy person who will impose their will on others, especially dissadent priests and religious.

By "nice", I presume you are referring to his openness and desire to greet people. It is perhaps this quality that makes him tough. When one recognizes God's creation with love, it strengthens the individual to ensure they are protected.

Someone who will not be afraid to excommunicate, early and often (and I mean have the ceremony televised in HD, not the automatic excommunication which few people know about).

Based on that description, it seems you have been misinformed about excommunication. I will post a separate thread on this topic and ping you to it.

How many sould are being lost because previous Popes have been afraid to confront people below them?

I appreciate and share your perspective. But here again, a table flipping pope will only outrage many catholics and non-catholics as well. Such actions are a sign of frustration, not love. I posted several other threads that you may have missed. Perhaps these will give you a clearer insight into where the pope stands and how he handled matters in the past.

Liberals will soon turn on Pope Francis

Quotes from Cardinal Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, on 7 Moral Issues

You do understand that you are also obligated to identify dissidents to those in higher authority. Once you have been confirmed in the Catholic faith, you assume armor for the battle. You can't wait for others to act; sometimes, you have to initiate the process. I have done this several times and found the information at the following web site to be of assistance in the process.

Our Lady's Warriors.

31 posted on 03/18/2013 11:02:28 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: LovedSinner
10 things you may not know about excommunication
32 posted on 03/18/2013 1:08:29 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

NYer,

Thank you for the information in this post.


33 posted on 03/18/2013 2:08:57 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: LovedSinner
As Catholics, we are most blessed with the Communion of Saints. If you have not read the Diary of St. Faustina, I would encourage you to do so. It is filled with much inspiration. One reflection that may help you in this time of confusion are words spoken by Jesus to Faustina:

"My child, know that the greatest obstacles to holiness are discouragement and an exaggerated anxiety...sensitiveness and discouragement are the fruits of self-love."

Pray for our new Holy Father; he is praying for you!

34 posted on 03/18/2013 2:21:40 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer
Well thank you for this, but I disagree that I am committing the sin of self-love.
35 posted on 03/18/2013 4:15:34 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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