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UPDATE: Rorate Caeliís diatribe against Pope Francis [Catholic Caucus]
Holy Souls Hermitage ^ | March 13, 2013 | Father George David Byers, S.S.L., S.T.D.

Posted on 03/14/2013 8:55:25 AM PDT by NYer

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Rorate Caeli put up a diatribe against Pope Francis.

After their informant rants like all the fires of hell against the anointed of the Lord with all sorts of innuendos (and one should be careful about that), the ultimate statement to which everything culminates in all ferocious spittle-flecked fury is this:

“He has no manners to honor the Pontifical Throne.”

Really? :) That’s like me! I would be such a donkey, braying badly. Shucks.

It’s almost as if to say, it seems: “Damned be the Holy Spirit, who has no power to work on anyone, ever, and so we are in bitter despair!”

One should be careful about this knee-jerk reactionary rubbish. It does the Church and the salvation of souls no good, no good at all.

Let us pray! With enthusiasm!

UPDATE: Also, just to say, if a priest came to me with that much bitterness, he would be the very last one I would want for a face for the Extraordinary Form. Of course, I would know that that would make him all the more bitter, but that wouldn’t be my fault. I would want to have any priest who offers the Extraordinary Form be helpful and enthusiastic in every way. That makes things easy. But with this kind of attitude. Just. No. If we want the Extraordinary Form everywhere, don’t do something like Rorate Caeli just did, striking out right from the get-go. That’s just not the way to go about things. Really. I know. I’ve been in extremely difficult situations in Lourdes, etc., but got the TLM going there, also in the Josephinum. But these guys…? Just. Wow.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Worship
KEYWORDS: bergoglio; catholic; conclave; traditionalists
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1 posted on 03/14/2013 8:55:25 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Who the heck is Rorate Caeli?


2 posted on 03/14/2013 8:58:14 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
The trads have spoken! Pope Francis is not traditional ... enough. They are not satisfied with the work of the Holy Spirit in this conclave. I would be intrigued to know just who fits their papal mold.

Rorate-Caeli blogspot.

3 posted on 03/14/2013 8:58:51 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: mware

see post #3


4 posted on 03/14/2013 9:05:06 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer
The trads have spoken! Pope Francis is not traditional ... enough.

Some radical trads have spoken but they aren't representative. It isn't fair to characterize them way. Elsewhere, I saw trad comments running nine-to-one positive, and that was just about the count, too, so really only one guy was griping.

I saw around eight diocesan TLMs in Argentina; only one in the Buenos Aires diocese proper but there is apparently very little interest there. I see nothing to complain about at this time.

5 posted on 03/14/2013 9:14:48 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture¬ô)
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To: NYer

All the good ones are dead. /joke


6 posted on 03/14/2013 9:22:25 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Updated [http://tinyurl.com/d2opv9v] [http://tinyurl.com/ccqyjmb])
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To: steve86; NYer

Some people, bless their bowels, are just those dreadfully upset people, regardless of their taste in liturgies. We should all spare them a pitying thought or two.


7 posted on 03/14/2013 9:24:55 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Another Catholic Pope! It must be some kind of conspiracy!" ~Homer_J_Simpson)
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To: NYer
The Pope of the World
8 posted on 03/14/2013 9:25:01 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Updated [http://tinyurl.com/d2opv9v] [http://tinyurl.com/ccqyjmb])
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To: NYer
Unfortunately RorateCaeli came up looking like a bunch of kooks and cranks yesterday. They are usually very good but they failed miserably in the prudence, charity and sound judgment departments yesterday. The orthodox Catholic world is going to be very pleasantly surprised by this Pope, even if he causes occasional consternation among the rad trads.

Even CFN's John Vennari is walking back his position from yesterday a bit (see area I bolded):

More on Pope Francis
14/03/13 12:07
2013 CFN Conclave Blog

By John Vennari

Today, March 14, is the first day under the reign of the new Pope. It is also a day when we continue to learn more about him.

Unlike Cardinal Ratzinger who was well known prior to his papal election, and who had a long paper-trail of speeches, documents, books and public activities, most people in the English-speaking world are not as familiar with Cardinal Bergoglio, now Pope Francis I.

Earlier I posted materials that spotlighted some of his disturbing practices in Argentina: participating in pan-Christian Pentecostal assemblies; celebrating Hanukkah with Jews; riotous stadium Masses more like a pop-rally circus than anything sacred.

Other aspects now surface that show another side of the man.

He appears to be devoted to Our Lady of Fatima, and according to a 30 Days interview, he prays 15 decades of the Rosary daily. I have it on good authority (not a rumor, but a letter he once sent to an acquaintance), that he personally practices the Five First Saturdays devotion.

This morning Pope Francis, quietly went to the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore, the oldest church in the world dedicated to the Madonna, where he prayed before a famous icon of the Madonna called the Salus Populi Romani, or Protectress of the Roman People. He also visited the tomb of Pope St. Pius V.

In an earlier report I had said he would celebrate Mass at Saint Mary’s this morning. It appears I was operating on inaccurate information. He did not celebrate Mass, but only went to pray.

In the post-conciliar world, where the definition and practice of Catholicism encompasses a bizarre elasticity – a combination of both traditional practices and foreign elements always condemned by the Church – modern prelates tend to be mixed bags.

As time goes on, we will learn exactly what combination of elements make the man who is now Pope Francis.

9 posted on 03/14/2013 9:43:03 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: NYer

NYer, was it the holy Spirit that selected Alexander VI, or the spirit of simony? What about the other “bad Popes?”


10 posted on 03/14/2013 9:45:38 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: NYer
Held for the first time in the country since Pope AUTHORIZE THE

He returned the Latin Mass, with women covered by blankets

One hundred savvy faithful old liturgy were yesterday in San Miguel Archangel.

Sergio Rubin
srubin@clarin.com

Four decades after the Latin Mass with the priest facing the altar officiating was replaced by the office in the language of each country and facing the faithful, the old way of celebrating was restored yesterday at a church in Buenos Aires. It was before hundreds of worshipers eager to participate in the traditional way.

The celebration took place 48 hours after Pope Benedict XVI signed the decree (motu proprio) that releases this modality. Until Friday, the Latin mass required approval of the bishop, that process is no longer necessary. From now on, to an order of the faithful, the priest must access.

However, the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, arranged a fixed holding jurisdiction for the faithful locals offer a specific place and avoid the problem that many priests do not know oficiarla.

The parish is St. Michael the Archangel, in the downtown. His pastor, DOther Ricardo, is an expert in liturgy. Had to dust off the latest version of the old missal, 1962, provide for the altar, put six candles instead of two and achieve an organist who knew the old songs.

"In nomine Patris, et Spiritus Sancti et Filii" said DOther after 10, when reciting the sign of the cross with the start of the trade. Faithful mostly adults and the elderly, but also some young, blanketed several women, and almost all with missal, followed him with unction. Women were also quite long skirts. Was striking a family with three girls, all blanket.

Many attendees seemed very knowledgeable about the ancient liturgy. Even, not lacking some who slipped some discomfort because the celebration was not, in his view, entirely by the old way and mixed with modern elements.

Communion was received kneeling at the altar and in the mouth. There was no sign of peace, or prayer of the faithful, or offertory procession. "This way of celebrating Mass greatly enriched the celebration because it takes into account the elements of an ancient liturgical tradition," said Fabian leaving, 45. In turn, Carolina, 21, student of philosophy, thus considered "spiritually uplifting me more."

Father in his homily did not mention the way the celebrated. Then, asked journalists not to say that is the Tridentine Mass, but "how extraordinary Roman rite." So he sought to narrow the controversy surrounding his rehabilitation.

11 posted on 03/14/2013 9:50:04 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Well the translation is rough, but I have heard elsewhere that only one place in the whole Archdiocese is the 1962 Latin Mass celebrated. I fear greatly that we have elected the wrong person as Pope!
12 posted on 03/14/2013 9:57:57 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: LovedSinner

I attend the TLM every Sunday at a diocesan parish that started this mass on the day Summorum Pontificum took effect. Even though this parish is 35 miles from home we joined this parish in 2007.

I have no concerns whatsoever about the continued growth of the TLM under our new Pope Francis. He will not do anything to undermine the freedom Pope Benedict granted to the TLM. And unlike Pope Benedict I would not be at all surprised to see Pope Francis publicly offer a TLM some day. Seriously. He just strikes me as the type who, once he learns something is the Lord’s Will, he will simply make it his own. I suspect under the influence of our Pope Emeritus this will become reality.


13 posted on 03/14/2013 10:06:47 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: LovedSinner
NYer, was it the holy Spirit that selected Alexander VI, or the spirit of simony? What about the other “bad Popes?”

Borgia, by a bare two-thirds majority secured by his own vote, was proclaimed Pope on the morning of 11 Aug., 1492, and took the name of Alexander VI. That he obtained the papacy through simony was the general belief (Pastor, loc. cit.) and is not improbable (Raynaldus, Ann. eccl. ad an. 1492, n. 26), though it would be difficult to prove it juridically, at any rate, as the law then stood the election was valid.

In a recent interview, Benedict XVI was asked the same question. His response provides some insight:

“I would not say so, in the sense that the Holy Spirit picks out the Pope…I would say that the Spirit does not exactly take control of the affair, but rather like a good educator, as it were, leaves us much space, much freedom, without entirely abandoning us. Thus the Spirit’s role should be understood in a much more elastic sense, not that he dictates the candidate for whom one must vote. Probably the only assurance he offers is that the thing cannot be totally ruined. There are too many contrary instances of popes the Holy Spirit obviously would not have picked!

Over the centuries, the process has evolved into what we witnessed this week. If you have watched any coverage of this event, you probably heard much said about the setting: The Sistine Chapel. As the cardinal prepares to vote, he carries the document with the name up to a large urn placed on top of an altar. He is facing Michelangelo's Last Judgement, a fresco that even features a cardinal in hell. He then avows:

'I call on the Lord Jesus who will be my judge to witness that I am voting for the one I believe to be worthy'

That is a powerful moment for the cardinal as he is reminded of how his vote will be held accountable at the Last Judgement.

As for the "bad popes", it is interesting to note that not one of them ever erred in teaching on matters of faith or morals. THAT is testimony of how the Holy Spirit guides the Catholic Church, through an unbroken line of successors all the way back to St. Peter.

Thank you for the question!

14 posted on 03/14/2013 10:17:10 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer
That was a good reply, NYer. I liked that quote from Pope Benedict.

I know the new Pope will not fail on the things that the Pope cannot fail on (abortion, same sex “marriage” and so on), but I do question the need for everyone to praise him so thoroughly.

I dislike that he has abandoned the red cape (I forgot how its name is spelled), and his focus on poverty. I understand the corporal works of mercy, but we do not need St. Francis of Assisi in the Papacy now, we need a tough administrator who will clean house in the Vatican and around the world! There is a reason why St. Francis was canonized a saint never made Pope (or Cardinal, or even bishop) - his strengths were not that of a Pope!

Other Popes have realized this, and not taking the Papal name Francis is just the tip of the iceberg. The Pope is not a philanthropist!

15 posted on 03/14/2013 10:26:31 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: NYer

One should be careful about this knee-jerk reactionary rubbish. It does the Church and the salvation of souls no good, no good at all.

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I very much agree with Fr. Byers. It is so sad to see such self-righteousness. We must pray for them for a true spirit of repentance.


16 posted on 03/14/2013 10:53:01 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

He appears to be devoted to Our Lady of Fatima, and according to a 30 Days interview, he prays 15 decades of the Rosary daily. I have it on good authority (not a rumor, but a letter he once sent to an acquaintance), that he personally practices the Five First Saturdays devotion.

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And he was chosen to be Pope on the 13th day of the month.

;-)


17 posted on 03/14/2013 11:14:57 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: LovedSinner

I have seen indications that he thinks internal conversion of heart is part and parcel of caring for the poor. As such, I would hope that he will expect his clergy to humbly do the work and the penance of cleaning house to get rid of “filth” in the Church. I think he will hold his people accountable. It will not be business as usual.

I do think, though, that we should not expect him to pay attention to America and our issues all the time, though. He may be more aware of, and focused on, cleaning up problems in South America, especially where clergy has been Marxist-influenced. He already has experience with that.


18 posted on 03/14/2013 11:33:50 AM PDT by married21
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To: mware
Who the heck is Rorate Caeli?

I always thought a caeli was an Irish dance party, but the rorate is a myst'ry to me!

Happy St. Patrick's month to all!

19 posted on 03/14/2013 11:58:26 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: married21

I hope you are right about the first part of what you said.


20 posted on 03/14/2013 1:01:54 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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