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1 posted on 03/14/2013 10:13:11 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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I’m sympathetic to Traditionalism in that I like the Latin Mass in preference of the vernacular, and think VII has some problematic loose language which allows for people to do things they shouldn’t.

However, too many traditionalists seem to enjoy being the “faithful remnant” and wear their estrangement as a badge of honor i.e. SSPX.

2 posted on 03/14/2013 10:19:59 AM PDT by Shadow44
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Many of the traditionalist criticisms seem valid. Most of the criticisms he mentioned seem very valid to me. The ones which were so offensive he did not mention I cannot judge obviously.

Are we not to critize the Pope at all??

3 posted on 03/14/2013 10:30:20 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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Terrific post. Thanks.

4 posted on 03/14/2013 10:30:56 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Strain out a gnat but miss a whole camel!

5 posted on 03/14/2013 10:36:45 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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Think about this for a moment. If you owned a business or were the president a large organization, how would you feel if your lower employees got together regularly to grumble about your leadership? What if they met together for the sole purpose of questioning your leadership and credibility? What if they gossiped and maligned you behind your back? What if they created chat rooms and spread it all around the internet. Would these persons be considered "faithful" to your institution? Would you like these people? Would you want to help these people? Of course not. Such actions are cowardly, immature, and small.

We are posting in public, not behind anyone's back. And secondly, the Church needs its own Devil's Advocates. CEO's, politicians, and Church leaders need strong criticism even if they are doing a good job overall. Just as politicians need a healthy media to shine sunlight onto their actions, the Church needs Catholics to blog about the mistakes Catholic leaders, including the Popes make.
6 posted on 03/14/2013 10:38:27 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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Lets hope Gillibrand reads this.

10 posted on 03/14/2013 11:11:20 AM PDT by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out:
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Something to think about:

"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part Three, Section Two, Chapter Two, Article 8:


2475 Christ's disciples have "put on the new man, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness."274 By "putting away falsehood," they are to "put away all malice and all guile and insincerity and envy and all slander."275

2476 False witness and perjury. When it is made publicly, a statement contrary to the truth takes on a particular gravity. In court it becomes false witness.276 When it is under oath, it is perjury. Acts such as these contribute to condemnation of the innocent, exoneration of the guilty, or the increased punishment of the accused.277 They gravely compromise the exercise of justice and the fairness of judicial decisions.

2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.278 He becomes guilty:

- of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;

- of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;279

- of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.

2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor's thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way:

Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another's statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved.280

2479 Detraction and calumny destroy the reputation and honor of one's neighbor. Honor is the social witness given to human dignity, and everyone enjoys a natural right to the honor of his name and reputation and to respect. Thus, detraction and calumny offend against the virtues of justice and charity.

18 posted on 03/14/2013 1:11:48 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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26 posted on 03/18/2013 4:10:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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