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How Summorum Pontificum was blocked and trampled on in Buenos Aires
Rorate Caeli ^ | 3/14/2013 | New Catholic

Posted on 03/14/2013 1:10:04 PM PDT by LovedSinner

And so what was the great and generous application of Summorum Pontificum in the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires? One Novus Ordo-TLM hybrid once a month. And, as it happens to any badly celebrated Latin Mass, the number of attending faithful fast dwindled from one hundred to a handful. And, naturally, it was discontinued. So, as correctly mentioned in WikiMissa, there is currently not a single actual Traditional Mass according to the 1962 Missal celebrated by diocesan priests of the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires. And every priest who tried to truly implement Summorum in his parish - that is, out of their own initiative, without "authorization" from the Bishop - was ordered to stop. It is what happened to a poor priest who tried to do it in the chapel of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, in October 2007, and was personally ordered by the Archbishop to stop in November 2007. [The complete post of this shameful event, also mentioned by Página Católica, in a 2011 post, will also be translated and posted shortly.]

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TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; popefrancis
We are apparently not to say anything of this, for risk of causing scandal. We should also not criticize Bishops who delay reforming the sex abuse scandal, for the same reason, and so on.
1 posted on 03/14/2013 1:10:04 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: LovedSinner

I have no concerns whatsoever about the continued growth of the TLM under our new Pope Francis. He will not do anything to undermine the freedom Pope Benedict granted to the TLM. And unlike Pope Benedict, I would not be at all surprised to see Pope Francis publicly offer a TLM some day.

Seriously.

The man has a deep devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, practices the Five first Saturday Devotions, and prays 15 decades of the Rosary each day.

After he meets with Pope Emeritus Benedict, reads the 300 page dossier on the VatiLeaks scandal, and reads the rest of the Third secret of Fatima, he will be a different man than he was as Archbishop, then Cardinal, in Argentina.

He just strikes me as the type who, once he learns something is the Lord’s Will, he will simply make it his own. I suspect under the influence of our Pope Emeritus and the rest of the Third Secret we will be pleasantly surprised by his pontificate.


2 posted on 03/14/2013 1:24:45 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I hope you are right and I am totally wrong.


3 posted on 03/14/2013 1:30:05 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: LovedSinner

LovedSinner:

To be honest, I went over to the Rorate Caeli blog and I was really unimpressed with some of the comments over there. I expect the National Catholic Distorter, aka Fishwrap as Fr.Z calls it to moan and groan because of Pope Francis’s staunch defense of human life and stands against abortion and euthansia and his defense of traditional marriage but when I see Catholics who pride themselves on being “orthodox” going off on the new Pope, well, I expect more from those guys. The distorter types that write for Fishwrap propse heretical stances and are defacto schismatics. Sad to see the Rorate Caeli blog acting in many instances no different than the National Catholic distorter/fishwrap folks


4 posted on 03/14/2013 2:04:19 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564

I have not read all the comments from the recent posts by Rorate Caeli.

But I also think there is a difference in a dogma of the Church that cannot ever be changed (say abortion) and attacking the Pope over that versus a matter of discipline.

Furthermore, the Papacy over the past 50 years or so has to get a failing grade when it comes to discipline. Look at the statistics of the worldwide Church. Yes, I know in some places like sub-Saharan Africa things are much better, although in places like Europe things are much worse than even here in the US. Worldwide priest shortage, sacraments being ignored, Mass being ignored, natural law ignored, and so on.

The last few Papacies do deserve a lot of the blame for this! I do not know how else to put it. Maybe the new Pope Francis will surprise me very nicely, but I do not see him as the tough guy needed not just for reform the Curia after Vatileaks, but even more we need a Pope to reform the mass of lukewarm priests and lukewarm at best laity.


5 posted on 03/14/2013 3:29:06 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: LovedSinner
We are apparently not to say anything of this, for risk of causing scandal. We should also not criticize Bishops who delay reforming the sex abuse scandal, for the same reason, and so on.

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I guess that's why Catholics never disagree.

6 posted on 03/14/2013 3:35:55 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I would not be at all surprised to see Pope Francis publicly offer a TLM some day.

Well, if Intrade were still in operation I'd take the opposite bet but not more than 100 lira (if we could still find some).

Actually, it may be that liturgical reforms, or restoration or whathaveyou just aren't his main gig.

On second thought, maybe if he reads the full Third Secret he will immediately call a TLM!

7 posted on 03/14/2013 3:39:23 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: LovedSinner

Liturgical matters apparently haven’t been very high on his list in the past. No reason to believe things won’t continue as they are under Summorum Pontificum, even if true that he’s been biased against the Traditional Mass. There are far greater concerns for him to deal with at this point.

St. Pio said: “Humility, humility and always humility. Satan fears and trembles before humble souls. The Lord is willing to do great things but on condition that we are truly humble.” We seem to have a very humble Holy Father. Instead of stressing out about his potential liturgical inclinations, it makes more sense to take St. Pio’s advice and simply “pray, hope and don’t worry”.


8 posted on 03/14/2013 5:12:35 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: steve86
On second thought, maybe if he reads the full Third Secret he will immediately call a TLM!

Precisely.

9 posted on 03/14/2013 5:24:46 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: BlatherNaut
“pray, hope and don’t worry”

Fully agree with your nice, informative comment but that's getting tough, even just the secular matter of health care going forward has me practically without hope and chronically overwrought.

10 posted on 03/14/2013 5:37:48 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: LovedSinner
Pope Francis Has Written to Fr. Gruner
11 posted on 03/14/2013 5:40:10 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Pope Francis will do the proper Consecration of Russia? WOW!!!


12 posted on 03/14/2013 6:03:37 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

bump for later
13 posted on 03/14/2013 6:04:04 PM PDT by GirlShortstop (Every person has a duty to seek and serve the truth. Abp Charles J. Chaput, OFMCap)
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To: steve86
According to Fr. Gruner anyhow. Time will tell. But personally I am expecting great things from this pontificate ;-)
14 posted on 03/14/2013 6:12:00 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: LovedSinner

LovedSinner:

I think by and large, the last 2 Popes were excellent but like all men, they had their weaknesses and failings. I for one can’t seem to grasp the fact that because Pope Francis is not the Liturgical Scholar that Benedict was [Pope John Paul II was not either], that he will reverse Pope Benedict’s decree on the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Liturgy. While Pope Francis may not like to celebrate it, I don’t think he will impede those Catholic orders, i.e. Institute of Christ the King, etc, to continue to be dedicated to celebrating the older form of the Roman Liturgy. I found the comments over at Rorate Caeli lacking the basics of Christian Charity and Hope, which along with Faith, as any orthodox Catholic should know, are the 3 Theological virtures as stated by St. Paul (cf. 1 Corinthians 13:13].


15 posted on 03/14/2013 7:53:57 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: steve86
even just the secular matter of health care going forward has me practically without hope and chronically overwrought.

Sorry to hear it. Will pray that you find peace.

For your consideration:

Rules for Discerning Spirits #329:

"The characteristic effect produced by God and his angels in their spiritual operations is a genuine lightness of heart and spiritual joy, eliminating all the disturbing sadness engendered by the enemy, whilst his characteristic activity is to resist such lightness of heart and spiritual consolation, alleging specious reasons, subtle suggestions, and sophistries without end."

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Spiritual Weapons:

*The Rosary (Padre Pio called the Rosary his "weapon").

*There are three things, my brethren, which causes faith to stand firm, devotion to remain constant and virtue to endure. They are prayer, fasting and mercy. Prayer knocks at the door, fasting obtains and mercy receives. Prayer, mercy and fasting are one. They give life to each other." - St. Peter Chrysologus

16 posted on 03/15/2013 7:30:40 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: LovedSinner

17 posted on 03/15/2013 7:47:36 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

18 posted on 03/15/2013 7:49:33 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: BlatherNaut

I am not so sure Pope Francis is humble and this appearance of humility is not instead scruples. The Pope should not pay his own hotel bill. The Pope should not wear simple clothing. The Pope should not ride in a bus instead of taking a bulletproof car.


19 posted on 03/15/2013 7:59:24 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: LovedSinner
I am not so sure Pope Francis is humble and this appearance of humility is not instead scruples.

Seems more likely that he's attempting to follow St. Ignatius' advice: "The despising of one's self in the midst of honors and riches, and disdain for all glory, should be esteemed more highly than corporal mortification."

We can't expect a Jesuit who's spent half his life immersing himself in Ignatian spirituality to abandon the results of his spiritual formation in response to being elected Pope.

20 posted on 03/15/2013 8:28:23 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

Catholics know that we like ornate churches, beautiful music, and elaborate vestments for the Pope (and even normal parish priests) and we oppose the Protestant version of bare and simple things.

Now suddenly, everyone seems to have changed. Note I am not saying the new Pope is a closet Protestant or anything like it, but there is true poverty and true humility and false versions too.


21 posted on 03/15/2013 8:48:32 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: LovedSinner

I disagree. He will eventually learn to wear the trappings of the papacy well, but still in his own way.


22 posted on 03/15/2013 9:27:01 AM PDT by GSD Lover
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
After he meets with Pope Emeritus Benedict, reads the 300 page dossier on the VatiLeaks scandal,

Is there any indication that the contents of the dossier were shared with the Cardinals?

23 posted on 03/15/2013 9:30:34 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: LovedSinner

Let’s hope that, given time, he’ll strike a reasonable balance. He may favor personal simplicity, but that’s no reason to assume that Summorum Pontificum is in jeopardy. The logical approach to “rebuilding the Church” would be to strive for as much inclusivity as possible (i.e. continue to provide for the Tridentine Mass and also bring home the Anglicans, the SSPX, etc.).


Let us pray for our Sovereign Pontiff Francis.

The Lord preserve him, and give him life, and make him blessed upon the earth, and deliver him not up to the will of his enemies.


24 posted on 03/15/2013 9:33:15 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: don-o
There was some talk that the three retired Cardinals who prepared the dossier would discuss it with the College of Cardinals but I have not seen any confirmation either way. At one time Bergoglio proposed to his childhood sweetheart and was turned down, so maybe the Cardinals thought, "At least we know he's straight..."
25 posted on 03/15/2013 11:14:01 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: LovedSinner
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26 posted on 03/18/2013 4:16:26 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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