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And why should I take anything Slate says about the Church seriously?
1 posted on 03/14/2013 8:20:02 PM PDT by caldera599
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I like how they say ‘Bergoglio’ in Italian. Spanish, OTOH, nothing special.


2 posted on 03/14/2013 8:25:14 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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Consider the source. Slate is only for Lefties. Lefties are generally “non believers”.

I am not Catholic, but am looking forward to the impact of the Catholics new Pope.

TV already does too much trivialization and mockery of the Christian Faith.

They will be judged for that, God is not mocked.

3 posted on 03/14/2013 8:25:44 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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The author’s blurb says that he writes for the Slate AND The American Conservative.

What’s up with that?

He sounds rather bitter anyway.


4 posted on 03/14/2013 8:27:02 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: caldera599; BlueDragon
Cardinal Bergoglio is known as a simple, humble person who eschewed the pomp of his high office in the church. Until now, he has lived in a simple apartment and cooked his own meals.

How refreshing! Hopefully, his humility will hold out against the seduction of the lavish and regal trappings of the Vatican's highest office. I wondered about this very thing on another thread and was castigated for daring to mention it. Nice to know the new Pope thinks the same about the place of humility in a servant of Christ.

7 posted on 03/14/2013 11:35:18 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: caldera599

I thought that this was a good article, and I quoted from it in an email I sent earlier.

I think Pope Francis could very well be a nightmare, with his excess focus on social justice that comes close to Liberation Theology.

I also think he is scrupulous when it comes to money and power. Yes, blessed are the meek and blessed are the poor in spirit. This does not mean that the Pope should be riding in a bus instead of a bulletproof car (lacking in prudence), or pay his own hotel bill, or cook his own meals, or wear simple clothing.

This reminds me a bit of when Jimmy Carter had the Presidential motorcade stop at red lights so he could be more “humble.”


9 posted on 03/15/2013 8:04:24 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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And why should I take anything Slate says about the Church seriously?

An honest question. Despite the author Michael Brendan Dougherty's portrayal of himself as:

blah, blah blah, whatever, dude...
Dougherty in second-hand fashion speculates and spreads the second guessing sort of thing (before the new guy even get's going?) with things like;

And there is almost no path to Bergoglio’s election without support from curial Italians, combined with a Latin American bloc. Low-level conspiracy theories already flourish in Italy that Benedict’s resignation was the result of a curia determined to undermine his reforms. This election will only intensify that speculation. An older pope who does not know which curial offices and officers need the ax, will be even easier to ignore than Benedict.

Yeah ok maybe. But then again all the "new" fellow has to do is stroll over and speak with the good Mr. Ratzinger and confer. They could do breakfast. Like twice a week or something. Maybe some mushroom & cheese omeletes, toast and coffee, and a bit of private conversation. That sort of thing could go a long ways towards blunting some "conspiracy" aimed at undoing, uh, reforms? But why mix in (in the article) talk of liturgy and the form that itself takes, with the un-named "reforms" alledged to have been undertaken by Ratzinger?

The one thing I wonder about, is how far the so-called liberation theology sort of mindset may go, with this particular Jesuit. (it seems Jesuits have a wide range of variety in that which they stress as important, sort-of layered on top of other basics?)

But if the two fellows can find or have enough in common in their own patterns of thinking, then hopefully any differences of perspective can help both see things the other may miss, when looking at the same items.

It's kinda cool to have a guy like Mr. Ratzinger hanging around, isn't it? He may be old, mostly blind in one eye, a bit stooped over, and perhaps not quite as mentally sharp as he once was...but he's not done yet, now is he? ;^)

I hope it all works out for the best, despite how the spirit of the world attacks Christianity.

12 posted on 03/15/2013 8:40:01 AM PDT by BlueDragon (If you want vision open your eyes and see you can carry the light with you wherever you go)
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19 posted on 03/18/2013 4:36:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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