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Pope Francis and the Traditional Liturgy
Summorum Pontificum blog/ The Moynihan Letters ^ | 3/15/2013 | Robert Moynihan

Posted on 03/14/2013 9:40:06 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Friday, March 15, 2013

Pope Francis and the Traditional Liturgy

By Brian Kopp

March 14, 2013, Thursday -- To Mary

EXCERPT:

Francis and the Traditional Liturgy

I have received many letters and emails, and even some phone calls, from people who read a sentence in yesterday's email which they found worrisome.
I would like to encourage everyone to stay calm, and give the new Pope a chance.
Here is the sentence that I wrote last night:

"Cardinal Bergoglio is hostile toward the Traditional Mass, but he wrote a beautiful letter sent to the Carmelites of his diocese regarding the grave matter of the legal redefinition of marriage."
Many wrote that they found the sentence itself strange, because the two clauses or concepts don't appear to be linked in any way.
I was simply trying to address two issues which I had come across in my reading, both issues of concern to Catholics: the new Pope's views on the liturgy, and his views on marriage and the family.
In my reading, I had come across reports that suggested that he has not promoted, or favored, or been particularly supportive of, the traditional liturgy, in his diocese in the city of Buenos Aires.

Some of these reports even stated that he has been "hostile" to the old liturgy.
Without knowing the exact details of the situation myself, personally, I nevertheless took these reports seriously, and as reliable enough to report them.
At the same time, I reported the very strong and eloquent content of his letter in defense of the traditional family and marriage.
Here below is one of several sources for my statement regarding Cardinal Bergoglio's attitude toward the old Mass. It says, in Spanish, that the new Pope was a "sworn enemy" of the traditional Mass and that he took action against priests who expressed interest in Summorum Pontificum. I deduced from this that Cardinal Bergoglio has been "hostile" to the old Mass, and wrote that. Here is the quote in Spanish, and the link to the source:
"Enemigo jurado de la misa tradicional, no ha permitido sino parodias en manos de enemigos declarados de la liturgia antigua. Ha perseguido a todo sacerdote que se empeñó en usar sotana, predicar con solidez o que se haya interesado en la Summorum Pontificum."
Link: http://panoramacatolico.info/articulo/el-horror
However, I have since received a large number of other emails containing very different information. Here is one from a respected Catholic philosopher and writer whom I trust a great deal:
Dear Robert,
I read with passionate interest all the reports you sent us since Benedict XVI (to my deep regret) stepped down. I thank you for them; they were remarkably well done, informative and expressing your love for the Church.
But I was deeply grieved today in reading that you write that Francis I is hostile to the Tridentine Mass. This must be a terrible misinformation likely to do a lot of harm to many of your readers.
Archbishop Bergoglio, upon receiving the information that Benedictine XVI (at my repeated requests) had granted a universal indult, designated the Church Michel Angelo as the one place where the traditional Mass would be said. Its pastor, Padre Ricardo Dotro (I might get the name wrong) a well-trained liturgist, was going to say it to those who wished it. It was well-attended; hundred of people with their old missals, even some younger people, ladies wearing Mantillas, and modestly dressed, six candles on the altar, Mass ad orientem, kneeling for communion on the tongue.
I fear you were misinformed. Because the Mass had not been said for 40 years, all the younger priests could not say it. This was well-calculated; if no one can say that mass, that it certain to bury it. But it survived.
I wish you would correct this. Many of your devoted readers will be, like me, deeply grieved, unless you do. In the joy of Habemus papam and thanking you for your great work, I am, dear Robert, yours in caritate Christi.
(end of letter)
So, at this point, I will step back from the entire question to give a judgment regardless of anything that happened in the past, and it is this: in my view, we should have no concerns whatsoever about the continued celebration of the traditional Latin Mass under our new Pope, Francis.
I do not believe Francis will do anything to undermine the freedom Pope Benedict granted to the traditional Latin Mass in 2007.
And, even more, I agree with what one reader writes:
"Unlike Pope Benedict, I would not be at all surprised to see Pope Francis publicly offer a traditional Latin Mass some day. He has a deep devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, is said to practice the Five First Saturday Devotions, and prays 15 decades of the Rosary each day. I believe that, after he meets with Pope Emeritus Benedict, reads the 300-page dossier on the Vatileaks scandal, and reads the rest of the Third Secret of Fatima, he will be a different man than he was as archbishop, then cardinal, in Argentina."

Pope Francis strikes me as a man who, once he learns something is the Lord’s will, will simply make it his own.


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Dr. Robert Moynihan quoted a comment I made on a thread at the RorateCaeli blog at the bottom of tonight's The Moynihan Letter. The area I bolded at the end is a direct quote from my comment on that blog.
1 posted on 03/14/2013 9:40:06 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

People better go to the Traditional Mass while they can, bishops are going to start clamping down on it soon.


2 posted on 03/14/2013 10:07:45 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
bishops are going to start clamping down on it soon.

No, the tide has turned, and mortal men cannot hold back the tide.

3 posted on 03/14/2013 10:10:54 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I thought it was wrong that people would say the Pope was the "sworn enemy," of the Traditional Mass. I doubt he is the, "sworn enemy," of anything. But he may view it as unnecessary, and perhaps harmful. Maybe he was just indifferent. But this letter shows that Pope Francis has a far more negative view towards the Extraordinary Form than I would have expected.

Pope Benedict granted a universal indult and said that every parish could have the EF, without consulting the bishop. Then Cardinal Bergoglio's response was order a EF in one church, and that only one priest would be saying the EF. Basically, this was isolating it from the rest of the diocese, like it's an infection, and preventing it from other parishes. Technically, he was not following what Pope Benedict said. But not Pope Francis is the Pope, so he gets to call the shots. He probably won't explicitly ban the EF, but most bishops will eliminate it, or limit it to one parish and one priest in the diocese. Even with Summorum Pontificum, most bishops didn't follow it. That was with Pope Benedict in office. Even to the extent he would stick up for it, bishops ignored it. So, unless Pope Francis takes great steps to stick up for it, the bishops will revert back to before, or perhaps suppress it more. That's just the way it is. If you go to the EF, you're probably violating the spirit of the Church, if not the letter of the law.

4 posted on 03/14/2013 10:25:55 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
No, the tide has turned, and mortal men cannot hold back the tide.

I agree with the sentiment, but not the conclusion.

5 posted on 03/14/2013 10:27:14 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Only time will tell. I’m not at all worried that Pope Francis will actively undermine his predecessor’s intent and legislation on the TLM, and the Ecclesia Dei commission will continue to enforce the legislation. Just recently Ecclesia Dei forced the Diocese of Greensburg PA to start offering a TLM as it was formally requested by the faithful there long ago. Ecclesia Dei is not going to stop defending the rights of the laity as laid out in Summorum Pontificum, and more and more priests and especially seminarians are learning the TLM. This will not be turned back. And Pope Francis will not interfere with the growth of the movement.


6 posted on 03/14/2013 10:35:25 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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He wouldn't even have to interfere, the bishops will do it. Even Pope Benedict was only able to do a drop in the bucket. Do you have an article about the Diocese of Greensberg? From what I've seen there is no support of it. Besides, if the SP says that any parish can have it, without consulting the bishop, then when has Ecclesia Dei done by forcing the diocese to have a single Mass? Besides, the bishop can still punish any priest who wants to learn or celebrate the Mass. These priests know that.

Moreover, if your bishop hates/and or is against the Extraordinary Form, should you really be attending it? He is your bishop.

7 posted on 03/14/2013 10:43:20 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Moreover, if your bishop hates/and or is against the Extraordinary Form, should you really be attending it? He is your bishop.

In my particular case I have no idea if our bishop supports or discourages the TLM and can't even remember his name, frankly. In fact, the whole idea of "diocese" has no meaning to us whatsoever. We just seek (and hopefully) find a TLM within driving distance. I may or may not be aware of which diocese in which it resides. I'm not even registered in any parish. Guess we aren't supposed to be like that but we are.

8 posted on 03/14/2013 10:52:57 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: nickcarraway

Diocese of Greensburg – Usus Antiquior implemented

For your Brick by Brick file.

Someone sent me news about a development in the Diocese of Greenburg.

Bishop Brandt implements Mass in extraordinary form in Latrobe

GREENSBURG — Bishop Lawrence E. Brandt announced that he is implementing the celebration of the Mass in the extraordinary form in the Diocese of Greensburg and has appointed Father Daniel C. Mahoney, V.F., pastor of Holy Family Parish, Latrobe, and Dean of Deanery 4, as the bishop’s representative for the celebration of the Mass in the extraordinary form.

This Mass will be celebrated at Holy Family Parish every Sunday as one of the parish’s regularly scheduled Masses.

The date of the first Mass in the extraordinary form and the regular starting time of the Mass are expected to be announced next month. This is the Roman Liturgy of 1962 which was promulgated by Pope John XXIII.

Bishop Brandt made the announcement Dec. 20 and said that the date of the first Mass in the extraordinary form will be set after Father Mahoney has completed the many preparations needed to celebrate the Mass in Latin, including recruiting and training Mass servers; organizing and training a choir; and securing other items such as a 1962 Roman Missal and altar cards, as well as other appointments necessary for this celebration.

Bishop Brandt’s announcement corresponds to a Vatican directive that instructed every Catholic diocese in the world to make the Mass in the extraordinary form available to the faithful.

[...]

A couple points should be made.

At first glance, this move seems to be a return to an obsolete model, the provisions of the now defunct Motu Proprio Ecclesia Dei adflicta, which stated that the bishop makes the determination about all scheduling of the of the use of the older form of Holy Mass.  That model was overturned with Summorum Pontificum, which states that pastors of parishes can make their own determinations about the use of the older forms.

In short, the bishop did not have to make this appointment so that the parish priest could start celebrating the older Mass regularly.  The pastor could have done this on his own.
Fathers!  You do not have to ask for permission.  Okay?  Read Summorum Pontificum.

After what I have been through and have seen I guess I am a little cynical when it comes to bishops.  My first reaction was that the bishop’s unnecessary intervention was an attempt to control.  Back in 2007 when Summorum Pontificum went into force it was amazing to see how many bishops who don’t like the traditional Roman forms were suddenly happy to implement the superseded Ecclesia Dei adflicta.

On reflection and some consultation, I think, rather, Bishop Brandt’s involvement is a sign of benevolent support.  Note the last line I quoted from the longer story:

Bishop Brandt’s announcement corresponds to a Vatican directive that instructed every Catholic diocese in the world to make the Mass in the extraordinary form available to the faithful.

I don’t think such a line would have been included were this not a positive show of support.

Furthermore, from what I understand, Bishop Brandt has had an uphill battle in Greensburg.

So, while this seems somewhat more Ecclesia Dei adflicta than Summorum Pontificum I don’t think His Excellency is trying to deny the right of priests or lay people to getting Masses in the Usus Antiquior started. He is showing a strong support for getting at least one place up and running with the Usus Antiquior.

9 posted on 03/14/2013 11:08:17 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: nickcarraway
Pope Benedict granted a universal indult and said that every parish could have the EF, without consulting the bishop. Then Cardinal Bergoglio's response was order a EF in one church, and that only one priest would be saying the EF.

I rather liked what I read on a Catholic blog when a commenter posted something to the effect of "So, when Pope Benedict promulgated Summorum Pontificum Cardinal Bergoglio responded by immediately implementing Ecclesia Dei Adflicta." I thought that was amusing.

Personally, though, I am going to try to be as positive as I can be and give our new Holy Father the benefit of the doubt. These reports are still sketchy, and we must remember that with God all nothing is impossible. If God is with the reforms of Pope Benedict, and I believe he is, then there is no stopping it anyway.

10 posted on 03/15/2013 5:22:00 AM PDT by cothrige
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I post this as an outsider, but one who is at least minimally informed.

The danger to having the Latin mass and the VII mass is that you can (note the word, CAN) end up with two groups in functional schism with each other. Each starts to see the other as wrong, or even evil.

I have seen it with the “contemporary/traditional” liturgy split in my LCMS parish. You run the risk of having two churches using the same building.

Just my $0.02

11 posted on 03/15/2013 6:42:42 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: nickcarraway

I spoke with 3 seminarians on papal election day. They are all of a traditional mindset. Nothing will stop them from offering an EF as well as an OF after they are ordained and they are the future.


12 posted on 03/15/2013 7:30:47 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: redgolum
The danger to having the Latin mass and the VII mass is that you can (note the word, CAN) end up with two groups in functional schism with each other. Each starts to see the other as wrong, or even evil.

You're right. We need to suppress the Novus Ordo ;-)

13 posted on 03/15/2013 11:19:02 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
If that is where it breaks, so be it.

Liturgy is important, but consistency is more so. A well done Vatican II liturgy is better than a mumbled poorly done Latin mass where most of the people are mad about it. And visa versa.

I only pointed out that it can (and has) created a sense of schism in a parish. Which needs to be avoided.

14 posted on 03/15/2013 12:59:13 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Vatican official: "The new Mass is a passing phase. In 50 years, that will be entirely clear."
15 posted on 03/15/2013 1:06:19 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
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