Skip to comments.Does this pope sound like a liberal to YOU?
Posted on 03/15/2013 12:27:30 PM PDT by dangus
The left is certain to claim Pope Francis to be a socialist, since he professes and demonstrates a profound love for the poor. But that's not socialism. Every Christian should have a love for the poor; socialism is merely a kleptocratic movement which usurps and perverts that. Unfortunately, it seems that not a lot of Jesuits appreciate that. Pope Francis sounds like he is one that does.
So before the Left (or the anti-Catholic elements of the far right) convince you otherwise, here is what Pope Francis actually says:
The unjust distribution of goods persists, creating a situation of social sin that cries out to Heaven and limits the possibilities of a fuller life for so many of our brothers. The challenge to eradicate poverty cannot be truthfully met as long as the poor continue to be dependents of the State. The government and other organizations should instead work to create the social conditions that will promote and protect the rights of the poor and enable them to be the builders of their own future. To those who are now promising to fix all your problems, I say, Go and fix yourself. Have a change of heart. Get to confession, before you need it even more! The current crisis will not be improved by magicians from outside the country and nor will [improvement] come from the golden mouth of our politicians, so accustomed to making incredible promises. "Sounds like Ronald Reagan's speech-writers found a new employer, huh? Now, this is an admittedly old speech, from the Argentine currency crisis. Does he still preach that line? His first mass as pope didn't get into economics, but it did explicitly chastise those who seek government intervention as the cure for social ills:
We can walk as much we want; we can build many things, but if we do not confess Jesus Christ, nothing will avail. We will become a compassionate NGO, but not the Church, the Bride of Christ. When one does not walk, one stalls. When one does not built on solid rocks, what happens? What happens is what happens to children on the beach when they make sandcastles: everything collapses, it is without consistency. When one does not profess Jesus Christ I recall the phrase of Leon Bloy Whoever does not pray to God, prays to the devil. When one does not profess Jesus Christ, one professes the worldliness of the devil.That's quite a notion of devil worship: replacing the spread of the gospel with a "compassionate NGO." Not exactly FDR, here.
When we walk without the Cross, when we build without the Cross, and when we profess Christ without the Cross, we are not disciples of the Lord. We are worldly, we are bishops, priests, cardinals, Popes, but not disciples of the Lord.
I would like that all of us, after these days of grace, might have the courage the courage to walk in the presence of the Lord, with the Cross of the Lord: to build the Church on the Blood of the Lord, which is shed on the Cross, and to profess the one glory, Christ Crucified. In this way, the Church will go forward.
I realize that these statements will not be soon confused with Milton Friedman, either. Economic policies are not the purview of the Church, and Pope Francis, for one, seems to understand that. But Pope Francis also understands that the busybody state chokes off the gospel, which is the true source of joy. And he is willing to fight to remind his fellow priests of that.
What you mean is will he publicly denounce them as excommunicated, and force his priests to withhold communion so as to not desecrate the body of Christ, or permit sinners to drink poison unto themselves.
Biden, Pelosi, et al, are already excommunicated, and they are well aware of that fact; the scandal is that they continue to portray themselves as Catholics.
Pope Francis wrote a document as president of the Latin American episcopal conference, approved by Pope Benedict, calling on all the bishops of Latin America to publicly proclaim the excommunication of politicians who supported abortion. He has famously denounced the social radicals running Argentina, Christina Kirchner and her now-departed husband, Nestor (Ernesto).
Public excommunication is an act of a local bishop. Benedict demanded it. When Cardinal Wuerl failed to transmit those demands to the rest of the American bishops, Benedict promoted the bishop who most vocally denounced pro-abortion Catholics receiving communion, the bishop of St. Louis, Cardinal Burke, to be head of the Catholic Supreme Court. He also gave huge promotions to any other bishops who followed suit. But Benedict did a poor job of media relations with America, and his actions have not been made clear to Americans. I hope Pope Francis finds a way to be more forceful.
But just so you know, church-going Catholics voted 67% for Romney; nominal Catholics voted only 23% for Romney, so among those who can be reached, most are being reached. (Church-going white evangelicals voted 78% for Romney, but thats not much different from non-church going white evangelicals.) The ones who arent being reached are the Hispanics, who dont go to church and vote pretty much like black protestants. I hope Pope Francis is much better able to reach them.
Sounds good. The best and most loving service Christians can do for the poor is teach them to fish. Within a Christian culture and education, the poor can adopt a life and mind that will lift them out of poverty.
I went to different schools around the country because my dad was in the Navy with a job that required we move just about every year. The best school I went to was run by Jesuits.
I got to stay with them for two years and I was so far ahead after that, I sailed through school(s).
They really knew what they were doing and they were not pro sin (like the nuns I encountered). They had a strong spirit of Christ and it was joyful, relaxed, ethical and intellegent. It filled the children, too.
I usually moved along without resistence but I tossed a fit when I had to leave that school. All the kids were miserable on that move. It was back to the salt mines...
Oh, no. I was not attempting to correct you. I was indeed agreeing, and adding commentary of my own. Tone is something that is difficult to measure in writing.
Are these baby murderers receiving communion?
If not, then they don't believe in communion in the first place ergo, they are not Catholics.
If the pope is really pro-life, he needs to really communicate from the chair that no pro-death Catholic is Catholic. Mother Teresa communicated that very effectively. Why can't he?
He already has.
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