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1 posted on 03/15/2013 12:27:30 PM PDT by dangus
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The liberals think ‘poor’ is somebody in occupy wall street. They have no idea what kind of poverty there is in South America.

I don’t want to project my own feelings on the pope; but, I’m guessing that he would look at an abled bodied person who refused to work as somebody who has committed the sin of Sloth. And most occupy types can throw in Envy, Greed, Wrath, and Pride.

2 posted on 03/15/2013 12:37:09 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To me, the words of Pope Francis strike a realistic and healthy balance between the role of the state and the regulation of capital in the elimination of poverty. The gov’t should promote an economic system that allows people to provide for themselves, yet recognizes that the common good is not served by having a few possess all the wealth.

4 posted on 03/15/2013 12:40:13 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: dangus
Economic policies are not the purview of the Church

Actually, all policies are under the purview of the church...the church has and should have a say in them.

For example, the church in Germany should have been speaking out against the economic policies of the the socialist NAZI regime...that they weren't more muscular on that was a problem.

I personally have a wait and see attitude about this pope. I remember the hoopla when Benedict took over. That didn't amount to much IMO.

6 posted on 03/15/2013 12:42:19 PM PDT by what's up
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8 posted on 03/15/2013 12:47:40 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (
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Catholics are generally fiscally liberal and socially conservative. They want the government (people) to give to the poor because it is what the church teaches, but they are strong believers in marriage between a man and woman, are strong pro-lifers, and do not support the use of contraceptives.

I would think the Pope will follow those basic tenets.

9 posted on 03/15/2013 12:47:52 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: dangus

“....demonstrates a profound love for the poor.”

But that doesn’t mean he has to support the social leeches and parasites who claim to be living in poverty and are first in line to receive charity.

No free cellphones for them.

10 posted on 03/15/2013 12:48:48 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: sneakers

bump to read later

11 posted on 03/15/2013 12:50:10 PM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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The Libtards are grasping at Pope Francis’s adamant promotion of “Social Justice”, which is the religious cousin of Liberalism.

That being said, his stand on abortion and same-sex marriage is FAR from Liberal. The proof will be in the proverbial pudding over the coming weeks and months...

14 posted on 03/15/2013 12:53:28 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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In all honesty, many on the right view him as a socialist for the same reason.

Social Darwinism is often just under the surface of a great many fiscal conservatives.

16 posted on 03/15/2013 12:55:41 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Good thread and clarification. This is a fighter against socialism and government dependency. And as you also point out, he's the Pope not the POTUS.

Some additional insight into the Church's position on economic models is found in this good article, which discusses Pope John Paul II's encyclical ... Centesimus Annus. This is the philosophy also ascribed to by Pope Francis ....

The distinction between the two meanings of Capitalism is in fact made in the social encyclical (1991) Centesimus Annus ( para. 42 ). And the difference made there comes down to that between the normal and the abnormal. The encyclical is considering whether we can say that Capitalism is good or bad. “If by ‘capitalism’ is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a ‘business economy,’ ‘market economy’ or simply “free economy.’”

“In this sense, it is right to speak of a struggle against an economic system, if the latter is understood as a method of upholding the absolute predominance of capital, the possession of the means of production and of the land, in contrast to the free and personal nature of human work. In the struggle against such a system, what is being proposed as an alternative is not the socialist system, which in fact turns out to be state capitalism, but rather a society of free work of enterprise and of participation.

17 posted on 03/15/2013 12:55:51 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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Thank you for that analysis. Maybe the best I’ve read yet.

20 posted on 03/15/2013 1:04:35 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: dangus; Mrs. Frogjerk

very good post. PINGU!

21 posted on 03/15/2013 1:05:59 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama: Government by Freakout)
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To: dangus

Socialists do not HAVE a love FOR the poor. What they have is a love of being in control of the poor. And, to that end, they want to make EVERYONE poor. Except themselves, of course. Someone has to be in charge.

27 posted on 03/15/2013 1:29:31 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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“The challenge to eradicate poverty cannot be truthfully met as long as the poor continue to be dependents of the State.” - Pope Francis I

Too long for a tagline

28 posted on 03/15/2013 1:32:17 PM PDT by kidd
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God bless Pope Francis; he needs our prayers!
29 posted on 03/15/2013 1:48:59 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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Will this pope excommunicate the many baby murdering Catholics in your ranks?

If not, nothing else matters.

39 posted on 03/15/2013 7:35:33 PM PDT by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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Sounds good. The best and most loving service Christians can do for the poor is teach them to fish. Within a Christian culture and education, the poor can adopt a life and mind that will lift them out of poverty.

I went to different schools around the country because my dad was in the Navy with a job that required we move just about every year. The best school I went to was run by Jesuits.

I got to stay with them for two years and I was so far ahead after that, I sailed through school(s).
They really knew what they were doing and they were not pro sin (like the nuns I encountered). They had a strong spirit of Christ and it was joyful, relaxed, ethical and intellegent. It filled the children, too.

I usually moved along without resistence but I tossed a fit when I had to leave that school. All the kids were miserable on that move. It was back to the salt mines...

43 posted on 03/15/2013 8:42:48 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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47 posted on 03/20/2013 8:49:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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