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Report: Pope Francis bans disgraced Cardinal Law from his church
St. Peter's List ^ | March 15, 2013 | John Bingham

Posted on 03/15/2013 2:28:15 PM PDT by Hilda

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To: ansel12
Your rage and animosity

I forgive you for bearing false witness against me.

51 posted on 03/15/2013 3:33:27 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Help us to understand, what did I say about Law that set you off?


52 posted on 03/15/2013 3:35:40 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: rottndog; ansel12
BWAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha!!!!

That's really a bizarre comment. Try, if you can, to read whole posts. Try, if you can, to comprehend them.

That's for both of you. Seriously, if either of you thinks I'm defending Law, you're either nuts or stupid, or negligent..

No intelligent being, capable of reading and understanding the English language, can possibly, in good faith interpret my comments as a defense of Law.

53 posted on 03/15/2013 3:37:19 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: RummyChick

Which one is it?Or did it happen at all?


54 posted on 03/15/2013 3:37:22 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: ansel12
Help us to understand ... what did I say about Law that makes you "think" I'm defending him?

Read what I wrote. Strive to comprehend it. I'm quite sure that you're capable of such.

55 posted on 03/15/2013 3:38:30 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
The guy may be a dirtbag, but the Commonwealth's Attorney found nothing with which to charge him.

Really? I didn't know that.Hmmmmm.However,OTOH,this looks like just the kind of thing that Attorney Corporal Holder's puppet master would want him to sink his teeth into.

56 posted on 03/15/2013 3:40:17 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Seriously, something in my post 20 stirred you up, what was it?


57 posted on 03/15/2013 3:42:02 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Attorney Corporal Holder

ROFL!!! I see what you did there ...

Holder is the US Attorney Corporal ... Law was associated with offenses which are State crimes. The Commonwealth's Attorney had a shot at him, and couldn't find anything criminal. Being a dirtbag and a lousy Bishop is not a crime.

58 posted on 03/15/2013 3:43:56 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ansel12
Post #32 is written in the English language, and quite plainly.

Read it.

I'm quite sure that you're capable of comprehending it.

59 posted on 03/15/2013 3:45:33 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: markomalley

Thanks very much. I read both articles. A little confusing with the translations, but it’s clear that Pope Francis has no use for Law and won’t tolerate his presence. I’m not sure he’s willing to sanction Law’s continued residency in Santa Maria Maggiore.


60 posted on 03/15/2013 3:50:54 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Yes, you do defend Law...by blindly defending those that have protected him from being held accountable, just as Law himself protected (and thus facilitated) the child rapists.

Why is Law still a cardinal? Why is Law still in the church at all? He has been protected by the church...that's why.

Slandering people who question the church on this as ‘anti-catholic’ is aiding and abbedding the church (not catholics) in it's attempts to avoid accountability.

61 posted on 03/15/2013 3:53:07 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

The Massachusetts AG actually sent troopers to Cardinal Law’s residence to serve him with papers one afternoon. The person answering the door claimed Law wasn’t at home. The next day Cardinal Law took the first Al Italia flight out of Logan Airport. First class, of course.


62 posted on 03/15/2013 3:54:48 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Evidently Law has support that I wasn’t aware of.

I didn’t anticipate your reaction to this simple post.
“Why isn’t he just fired and told to move on, kicked out of the church’s big boys, and sent back to regular American living as an ordinary person?”


63 posted on 03/15/2013 3:55:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: rottndog
Oy vey. Slandering people who question the church on this as ‘anti-catholic’ is aiding and abbedding the church (not catholics) in it's attempts…

If you're intent on insulting someone, at least use spell-check and proper grammar. Your sentence should read:

Slandering people who question the church on this as "anti-Catholic" is aiding and abetting the church (not Catholics) in its attempts…

64 posted on 03/15/2013 4:01:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

please pardon my transgression...


65 posted on 03/15/2013 4:04:20 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: rottndog

Of course. We Catholics believe in forgiveness.


66 posted on 03/15/2013 4:05:12 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ladyjane

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/08/us/in-pedophile-case-church-failed-to-stop-priest.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

starting to be held accountable.

I bet Law never sets foot in the US again.


67 posted on 03/15/2013 4:06:19 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: ansel12

Your right,I know a lot of pissed off Catholic.Throw these dirtbags in jail.If they can’t be locked up shame them and get rid of them.What about a Catholic court to get rid of the scum if they can’t be arrested.The people who are protecting them should be locked up too.Send them to Philly forget the Vatican.We are locking up all their asses.


68 posted on 03/15/2013 4:07:49 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: trisham
As do many of us non- catholics Catholics.
69 posted on 03/15/2013 4:07:58 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Hilda

If Pope Francis doesn’t excommunicate Law, maybe he will force him to be cloistered and Law will leave on his own.


70 posted on 03/15/2013 4:14:21 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: fatima

We have to figure out a way to reach the average Catholic voter, and I think that some highly visible cases of public humiliation and rejection, and even excommunication, or in Law’s case, removal from the hierarchy and being reduced to normal citizen status and mere pew sitter, would receive massive publicity and would penetrate into the Catholic rank and file and the immigrants.

We need some flash and dazzle, some heavy public battles and publicity to reach the average people who don’t keep up with much media and make them realize that they better get with the program and start voting as Christians.


71 posted on 03/15/2013 4:15:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: RummyChick

I don’t know how the statute of limitations works in cases such as these.

If he can’t come back he’ll miss his 50th Harvard reunion.


72 posted on 03/15/2013 4:16:41 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Hilda

Very good!


73 posted on 03/15/2013 4:17:15 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: rottndog
As do many of us non- catholics Catholics.

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Interesting that you would define yourself in that way.

Please allow me to further explain. I define myself as a Catholic, not as a non-Prostestant or other "non".

However, I do appreciate your polite reply.

74 posted on 03/15/2013 4:19:09 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ansel12

Dream on,I worked with them and for many souls.The true souls are few.The rest vote their pocketbook.I am famous for quitting for every Obama victory since I work in Catholic stuff big time.


75 posted on 03/15/2013 4:20:14 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: ArrogantBustard

“Previously, the anti-catholic herd brayed that Law should be in prison.” - AB

Pro-Catholics too. It is in the Church’s best interest to recognize its flaws, when they occur, and take action to restore the faith and trust of Catholics. Right?

Nice move Pope Francis.


76 posted on 03/15/2013 4:22:17 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: ArrogantBustard

>So ... Benedict XVI removed Law from power in Boston (snip) in a meaningless post in the Vatcian.<

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If all this took place in 2002, after Law resigned, then it must’ve been JP II who rescued him.


77 posted on 03/15/2013 4:22:27 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: RummyChick
I bet Law never sets foot in the US again.

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I hope not.

78 posted on 03/15/2013 4:23:30 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: RummyChick; ladyjane

Your link has nothing to do with Cardinal Law. Law was investigated, but not indicted, which means there’s no “statute of limitations” issue which could arise. That only has to do with the time between a commission of a criminal offense and the filing of an arrest warrant identifying the subject.


80 posted on 03/15/2013 4:41:43 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: freedumb2003

Moral clarity is a refreshing thing!


81 posted on 03/15/2013 4:44:03 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: ladyjane
The Massachusetts AG actually sent troopers to Cardinal Law’s residence to serve him with papers one afternoon. The person answering the door claimed Law wasn’t at home. The next day Cardinal Law took the first Al Italia flight out of Logan Airport. First class, of course.

Don't know where you got your info. Cardinal Law stayed in Boston while the Attorney General did his investigation. After the AG had his press conference stating that the State wasn't going to charge the Cardinal with any crimes, Law left Boston, and went to Maryland, where he stayed in a monastery for a year, in prayer.

After THAT, he moved to Rome to live at the Basilica of St. Mary Major, which was his parish in Rome (I believe every active Cardinal has a 'home parish' in Rome). Now that Law has reached retirement age, and is no longer an Active Cardinal, he is now Cardinal Emeritus of St. Mary Major, and there is an active Cardinal in his place.

82 posted on 03/15/2013 4:44:13 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Information came from the horse’s mouth.


83 posted on 03/15/2013 4:47:19 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Campion

That link absolutely has something to do with Law.

It shows that Catholics are starting to be held accountable even though they didn’t do the molesting themselves.


84 posted on 03/15/2013 4:49:41 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: ladyjane

:)Guess they couldn’t follow him to Rome.


85 posted on 03/15/2013 4:57:17 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: ladyjane
Here's what I’ve been able to dig up over the years. If any of this is inaccurate, I will be grateful to be corrected.

Cardinal Law was fully investigated by the state Attorney General and the district attorneys in all five counties of the Archdiocese. He gave evidence before two grand juries. The state Attorney General, after several years of aggressive press and intense scrutiny, concluded that Law had not tried to evade investigation and had not broken any laws.

If there were a warrant against Cardinal Law, nothing in US and International law would have shielded from extradition or indictment. Certainly not the mere fact that he was, and is resident in Rome. He could be picked up by the Italian police any day as he traveled to and from Sta. Maria Maggiore, which is on Italian, not Vatican City, territory.

Ladyjane, you make the interesting charge that ”The Massachusetts AG actually sent troopers to Cardinal Law’s residence to serve him with papers one afternoon.”

Can you provide a link on that? A date? I haven’t seen that in the press.

If that's true, why wasn’t he extradited?

Upon turning 80 in November 2011, Law became ineligible to participate in any papal conclave or to hold any Curial memberships, and was replaced as archpriest of Sta Maria Maggiore more than a year ago, by Archbishop Santos Abril y Castelló.

As I said before, I would appreciate any updates or correction with, of course, links.

86 posted on 03/15/2013 5:02:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( "You can observe a lot just by watchin'. " -- Yogi Berra)
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To: RummyChick

It didn’t mention Cardinal Law, nor the place where he had jurisdiction, nor any case with which he was involved. The grand jury in Mass. isn’t going to reopen the case against Law based on stuff that happened in a completely different case involving different people 2000 miles away.


87 posted on 03/15/2013 5:07:07 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: rottndog
I am no expert in Canon Law, but as I understand it, if Cardinal Law were laicized, he would no longer be under clerical supervision. Therefore nobody in the Church could actually order him, e.g. into a monastery, or anyplace else.

If this is true, it's better for him to be in the clergy, and under supervision, rather than "kicked out" and not under supervision.

88 posted on 03/15/2013 5:07:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( "You can observe a lot just by watchin'. " -- Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
My recollection - which gets faultier by the minute - is that there were rumblings about possibly seeking an indictment against Law on some sort of conspiracy charges. To date, it hadn't been tried against the Church hierarchy. Before it could happen, Law beat a path out of dodge.

My recollections aren't always accurate anymore, but I really was of the impression that Law was afraid to come back to Boston. If I'm wrong, why is he retired in another country instead of spending his final years near family and friends.

Here in Philadelphia, if Cardinal Bevilacqua hadn't died, I have no doubt he'd be sitting in a cell next to Msgr. Lynn and serving a longer sentence

89 posted on 03/15/2013 5:13:16 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: ladyjane
The Massachusetts AG actually sent troopers to Cardinal Law’s residence to serve him with papers one afternoon. The person answering the door claimed Law wasn’t at home. The next day Cardinal Law took the first Al Italia flight out of Logan Airport. First class, of course.

And then he later returned to Boston and testified. He is not a fugitive from justice. Read the Wikipedia page on him if you don't believe me.

90 posted on 03/15/2013 5:13:59 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: old and tired

And we didn’t have near the problem down here in Philly that they had up in Boston.


91 posted on 03/15/2013 5:14:36 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: old and tired

A grand jury is perfectly capable of indicating someone who is out of the country or otherwise unavailable. It happens all the time.


92 posted on 03/15/2013 5:17:18 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Too bad that the Vatican doesn’t excommunicate suborners of child sodomy like they did back in the Middle Ages.

Those sodomites took over the church during in the 16th century: Pope Leo X, and Pope Julius III - exhibits A and B.

93 posted on 03/15/2013 5:17:53 PM PDT by 11th_VA (DRONES DON'T KILL, PRESIDENTS KILL ...)
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To: RummyChick

My first thought was a lot of people have no idea what is about to happen. A Jesuit Pope OH MY


94 posted on 03/15/2013 5:19:08 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The progressives Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodie)
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To: Campion

“Indicating” = “indicting”. Auto-correct got me.


95 posted on 03/15/2013 5:19:27 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion
A grand jury is perfectly capable of indicating someone who is out of the country or otherwise unavailable. It happens all the time.

Well, that is certainly true.

96 posted on 03/15/2013 5:20:28 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: old and tired

I hear you old and tired.We have another priest coming up for trial in Philly.


97 posted on 03/15/2013 5:27:20 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Campion

The POINT is that times are a changin’ and the Catholic Church is going to be held accountable.

UNDERSTAND

Those of you that have looked the other way and hid the pedophiles will start to pay a price.


98 posted on 03/15/2013 5:35:33 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: old and tired

They tried to find a way to “hang him”

http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/stories2/062002_law.htm


99 posted on 03/15/2013 5:41:53 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: old and tired

What is interesting is that this guy

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/cardinal-egan-picks-pope-article-1.1286451

was a key in hiding sexual abuse cases. He hired Castaldo even though he was warned that Castaldo was unfit to be a Priest.

Child Molesting Castaldo was a Priest around the time the Newtown Mass Murderer was a boy in that Parish.

And his close friend and confidant just got busted for being a Transvestite Priest hustling meth.

The depths of depravity in the Catholic church are mind boggling.

I hope Pope Francis does something about it.


100 posted on 03/15/2013 5:48:40 PM PDT by RummyChick
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