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To: NYer; RnMomof7; HarleyD; fish hawk; Alex Murphy; wmfights
"Matthew 18:17, Matthew 16:18. You are probably thinking of the word "bible" which does not appear in scripture."

This is precisely what I was getting at. The RCC has no idea what the Book actually says. Check Acts 19:32 (the Ephesus riot) wherein Luke reports that the "ekklasia" was in confusion. That is the word which you claim is the basis for the RCC (which I suspect is actually a mob like Ephesus). But, the Roman organization has morphed "ekklasia" into "Church" (from Kirk), and thus fashioned ecclesiastic, ecclesiology, etc. Check your own references and lexicons to see if this is not so.

I repeat, there is no such word as "Church" in the Scriptures, but the term "popular assembly" or "congregation" has been twisted by Rome to justify its self-appointed, self-aggrandizing, monster of an organization. And, should you notice I Cor. 11:16 wherein the "ekklasia" has become plural, "ekklasiai", "assemblies" all over the world...not one "ekklasia", you will find that these gatherings were independent congregations of believers each given the tasks of understanding the Gospel and teaching it to those who would listen.

This history flies in the face of Rome's monolithic giant, central headquarters, singularly pronounced doctrines from hell.

22 posted on 03/16/2013 1:54:38 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
This history flies in the face of Rome's monolithic giant, central headquarters, singularly pronounced doctrines from hell.

Most appreciative of your interpretation, not only of scripture but also of Catholic Church doctrine. I look forward to you posting an example of one of the church's doctrines from hell. And, when you do, please post a link to your resource material. Thank you.

23 posted on 03/16/2013 4:54:38 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Dutchboy88; RnMomof7; HarleyD; fish hawk; Alex Murphy; CynicalBear; Iscool
Matt. 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

I hope you don't mind moving in a little different direction. FWIW, I don't see much point in talking with RC's about this passage they are so caught up in church membership as a means to salvation there's not much point.

In looking at this passage I believe the key to understanding it is the wording "gates of hell". Gates don't move other than on a hinge, so it's a huge leap to think that "gates" are attacking Christians gathered together to worship and fellowship. A better understanding of a "gate" is how it's used to keep in something or keep out something. So in this passage where Jesus has declared that believing He is "the Christ, the Son of the living God" is the foundation of His church" and then adds the comment about "gates" He must be referencing something that is holding in believers.

Following this line of thought it occurs to me that what Jesus is really talking about are those believers in Abraham's bosom (see Luke 16:25). Prior to the crucifixion the debt for our sins was not paid. Where did these believers go and what contained them? I believe these believers were being contained in Abraham's bosom by the "gates of hell" and after the crucifixion these same gates could not contain those held in Abraham's bosom. I believe this understanding is more consistent with Scripture than the idea that some "gates" are attacking an institution.

25 posted on 03/17/2013 10:39:56 AM PDT by wmfights
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