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Ann Barnhardt on Pope Francis
Barnhardt.biz ^ | March 14, AD 2013 | Ann Barnhardt

Posted on 03/15/2013 4:55:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

On Francis
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - March 14, AD 2013 10:34 AM MST

Let me start with a positive comment. Remember, this is the best I could come up with:

If we had gotten the pope we DESERVE, we would now have Pope Snoop Dogg.

And thus ends the positivity.

Francis, like his homeland of Argentina, is a total disaster. He has overseen the near-total destruction of the Church in Argentina. He hates and despises the Tridentine Mass, which is to say that he hates the Mass - let's not mince words, and is a rabid persecutor of anyone in Argentina who shows ANY signs of tradition. A priest in Argentina literally risks the end of his career if he wears a cassock in public. He has forbidden the Tridentine Mass in Argentina, which is an act of direct disobedience, specifically against the papal decree Summorum Pontificum, but embraces horrific "charismatic" and "Superfun Rockband"-type liturgical sacrilege.

Which brings us to his regard for the papacy, and the Church itself. He said yesterday in his bizarre little speech, again and again, that he was the Bishop of Rome, which is true, but in being the Bishop of Rome the pope is the head of the Universal Church, not just the city of Rome. Francis does not believe this, and even made a reference to the idea that the pope is "first among equals". This means that he regards the Church as a mere loose confederacy, and also that he thinks the Church is, or should be, a democracy. The proof of this is, again, his blatant disobedience to Summorum Pontificum. He will never do anything to clean up the sodomite infiltrators in the Church outside of Rome because he doesn't feel that the pope has any authority outside of Rome. Bottom line here: many bishops and archbishops have been kept in line over the past eight years because Benedict was relatively aggressive in booting out extremely bad bishops. Benedict was feared in a healthy way. This guy is basically the big green light to every Marxist-homosexualist to just go ahead and do whatever, because they know Francis will never remove them or even chastise them, because Francis doesn't believe that the pope has any universal authority and is merely the bishop of the city of Rome proper - at least that is the excuse that will be given when nothing is done about abuses and heresies **that Francis is sympathetic towards.**

BUT, like all insecure leaders who say that they reject authority and obedience, reports from Buenos Aires are that he is an iron-fisted totalitarian against traditionalists, precisely because he has no confidence in or respect for his own authority, and thus assumes that no one else does either, and thus wields power against his perceived enemies only from brute force. Again, this is TEXTBOOK 20th century Marxist worldview and psychology. It is also the diametrical opposite of the virtue of MEEKNESS, which is power under control.

Next, he is an "ecu-maniac", which is to say that he is in the "all religions are equal and can't we all just get along" camp. In Buenos Aires he knelt before and received the "blessing" of a Superfun Rockband Church "pastor", and even received "communion" from a Protestant. There are pictures floating around of that episode. This is terrifying. He clearly does not have a strong belief in or understanding of Our Lord, His Church, the Mass or the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Eucharist. But, as I have stated repeatedly, almost none of the men ordained in the 1960s, 70s or 80s do.

Next, he's a Jesuit. Now, I must disclose that I have a deep personal, seething, visceral hatred of Jesuits, but my hatred of them is a corollary to the fact that they long ago descended into truly evil heresies and apostasy. Jesuits, in addition to being a cult of sodomites who hate God, are also … wait for it … Marxists. Now Francis has in the past put up some token resistance to so-called "Liberation theology", which is just Communist Totalitarianism in religious drag, but he is huge, huge, huge on "social justice", which is merely code for Marxism. This guy's worldview revolves around giving people free stuff because it's nice, which as we have discussed is contrary to logic and reason, specifically in the subset of mathematics, and thus is contrary to Our Lord who is but FIRST the Logos, with the Divine Caritas (charity) proceeding out of the Logos. Bottom line, there will be zero positive assistance to the world from Francis with regards to the inevitable economic collapse. Not only will there be nothing helpful coming from him, he will almost certainly come out in favor of more debt, more "free stuff", and more rhetoric about how people are "entitled" to physical and service commodities (which are someone else's man-hours, remember) as "rights".

But Ann! He has gone on record against homosexual "marriage" and abortion!

Wow. Is this really how far we have sunk? The Roman pontiff is on record as being against sodomy and killing babies and we cite this as proof of ORTHODOXY? Really? I wonder if he also believes in gravity. Does belief in gravity constitute a conservative worldview now?

Benedict thought that between the "Natural Solution" (the passage of time yielding the death or retirement of the bad guys) and the appointments he was able to make over the last eight years that he had set up the College of Cardinals to elect a successor that was very much in the Ratzingerian camp. Benedict was wrong. Not only did they not elect a Ratzingerian, they elected the anti-Ratzinger. In the 2005 conclave Francis came in second to Ratzinger, which is to say that Francis was the "opposition". In what must have Benedict's mind reeling today, after eight years of purging and priming the College of Cardinals, the very men Ratzinger placed turned around and elected the anti-Ratzinger. This proves, as I have said all along, that playing prevent defense, namely the "natural solution" of waiting for the bad guys to die is UNSOUND. In war, you fix your bayonets, say your prayers, and you charge.

Tridentine Mass-goers and clergy, this guy will be on the warpath against us at some point. Prepare. Brace. He may attempt to undo Summorum Pontificum either directly or through intense passive aggression. Any hopes of reconciling the good guys in the SSPX is now totally over. Beyond that, the splinter factions will now claim that "they were right", and sadly even more schism will result, and more people will remain outside the Church. So sad.

We got what we deserved, and probably better than we deserve. God's chastisement of His people is sending them bad priests, bishops, and now, in all likelihood, a bad pope. What do you expect? Look around. The world is awash in staggering sin and blasphemy and no one will lift a finger to do anything about it. And, as my last essay on penance proved via my email box, no one is sorry or has any desire to make reparation to Our Lord for any of it. No one has the slightest comprehension of the notion of taking on the burden of guilt for sins that they didn't directly commit, which blows my mind because that is LITERALLY the ENTIRE POINT of the Incarnation. The mind reels at the collective obtuseness needed to miss that glaring point.

No one has the slightest comprehension of the idea of seeing Our Lord in agony and simply stepping over to Him and asking, "What can I do to help You? What can I do to make You feel better? Let me take some of Your burden. Let me go with You."

Nope. So long as we all leave Him alone in His Passion, He will leave us to our self-absorption and indifference.

Kyrie eleison. Christe eleison. Kyrie eleison.

Viva il Papa.


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...This guy is basically the big green light to every Marxist-homosexualist to just go ahead and do whatever, because they know Francis will never remove them or even chastise them, because Francis doesn't believe that the pope has any universal authority and is merely the bishop of the city of Rome proper - at least that is the excuse that will be given when nothing is done about abuses and heresies **that Francis is sympathetic towards.**

He has forbidden the Tridentine Mass in Argentina, which is an act of direct disobedience, specifically against the papal decree Summorum Pontificum, but embraces horrific "charismatic" and "Superfun Rockband"-type liturgical sacrilege...

...Tridentine Mass-goers and clergy, this guy will be on the warpath against us at some point.

...This guy's worldview revolves around giving people free stuff because it's nice, which as we have discussed is contrary to logic and reason, specifically in the subset of mathematics, and thus is contrary to Our Lord who is but FIRST the Logos, with the Divine Caritas (charity) proceeding out of the Logos. Bottom line, there will be zero positive assistance to the world from Francis with regards to the inevitable economic collapse.

Pope Ubama I.

1 posted on 03/15/2013 4:55:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

From so great an authority as Ann Barnhart.............


2 posted on 03/15/2013 4:58:23 PM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: basil

Alinsky tactics from so great an authority on them as basil.


3 posted on 03/15/2013 5:00:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

She really seems to have gone around the bend.

Hey, Ann, I don’t much like the Novus Ordo either. But did you expect the new Pope to reverse everything since Vatican II on his first day in office?

Calm down.


4 posted on 03/15/2013 5:07:01 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Who cares what she thinks. We didn’t ask for her opinion. It’s not worth the paper she printed it on. Ann, who are you? Go back to your hole.


5 posted on 03/15/2013 5:08:09 PM PDT by sgfan1212
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
He hates and despises the Tridentine Mass

This seems to be the trigger point to most of the people I see who hate him (other than libs). Why all the OCD over this one version of the Mass that almost paints him like the AntiChrist himself for not liking it?

6 posted on 03/15/2013 5:08:30 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Cicero

She has seemed to have been losing it since she shut her business down. Shen then went full tax protestor and starting having everything seized.


7 posted on 03/15/2013 5:09:16 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I can’t read it.

The only person I know who regards her rants, which may be on the nose one time out of ten, is a despised, raging, bipolar bookshop owner, who is correct about once out of ten times.

Methinks Ann is disappointed they did not consider her.


8 posted on 03/15/2013 5:12:03 PM PDT by stanne
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To: mnehring

Oh, they reject Vatican II. They can either get over it or not. who cares, indeed.

Anyway, and just by the way, the Novus Ordo in Latin is beautiful, esp with traditional music.


10 posted on 03/15/2013 5:14:04 PM PDT by stanne
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Who?


11 posted on 03/15/2013 5:15:50 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

He took immediate and decisive action on Cardinal Law today. Cloistered indeed.


12 posted on 03/15/2013 5:17:18 PM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I could do with an honest questioning of the Pope’s past actions but this makes Ann sound like the Westboros.


13 posted on 03/15/2013 5:20:51 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I am not a Catholic, but I was definitely not pleased to hear that this Pope was a South American Jesuit. That is, after all, the root of Liberation Theology (aka Christianized Marxism). I found it worrying the moment I heard his claim to fame was “social justice”. I’m sorry, but when the Catholic church starts talking “social justice” it often/usually means support for big government social welfare liberalism.

When Ratzinger was named Pope I was confident and happy with the news - and I know almost all political conservatives of all faiths felt the same way. This time, not so much. People are putting a brave face on and talking up the good things about this new leader, but I think on the economic issues Pope Francis is a big question mark so far. I absolutely admit that I could be totally wrong, but even the chance that the Catholic church could move further left on economic positions is just very unwelcome news.


14 posted on 03/15/2013 5:20:55 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: basil
No one has the slightest comprehension of the idea of seeing Our Lord in agony and simply stepping over to Him and asking, "What can I do to help You?

Start by resisting the temptation to publish obnoxious screeds such as this.

15 posted on 03/15/2013 5:22:57 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Jesuits, in addition to being a cult of sodomites who hate God, are also … wait for it … Marxists. Now Francis has in the past put up some token resistance to so-called "Liberation theology", which is just Communist Totalitarianism in religious drag, but he is huge, huge, huge on "social justice", which is merely code for Marxism.

If you wanted to raise as many flags as possible, among as many groups of outsider observers as possible, especially for some end time prophecy fans, that pretty much covers everything.

16 posted on 03/15/2013 5:25:07 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What a nutcase. Lies, distortions and general involuntary commitment material.

Cardinal Bergoglio was in compliance with Summorum Pontificum within 48 hours.

There are around 6-8 Tridentine Mass locations in Argentina including the one in Buenos Aires.

It is possible that restoring traditional liturgy isn’t his #1 interest, granted.

Looking forward to assisting at my Latin Mass on Sunday...


17 posted on 03/15/2013 5:26:01 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: BlatherNaut
Start by resisting the temptation to publish obnoxious screeds

Amen! Someone who refuses to display even a modicum of Christian charity isn't someone I'm going to take too seriously as an authority on Christian matters!

This woman needs prayer. It's hard to imagine someone who writes this kind of venom having much peace inside.

18 posted on 03/15/2013 5:29:17 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: steve86

Yep, you kind of figured she had completely lost it when she called Jesuits “a cult of sodomites who hate God”.


19 posted on 03/15/2013 5:30:02 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: logitech
No one has the slightest comprehension of the idea of seeing Our Lord in agony and simply stepping over to Him and asking, "What can I do to help You? What can I do to make You feel better? Let me take some of Your burden. Let me go with You." Nope. So long as we all leave Him alone in His Passion, He will leave us to our self-absorption and indifference.

Unbelievably unscriptural PING! (as if WE can "help" Jesus at the cross. Hint: He did it ALL Himself, and He does not "need" our pitiful help)

20 posted on 03/15/2013 5:31:02 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Personally, I would not poo-poo what she is saying here. She is right a lot of times. This is a wait and see situation, she may have some good points to moniter.
21 posted on 03/15/2013 5:31:31 PM PDT by Cindy of Nashville (What has the Democrat party become???)
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To: stanne

I still am very much a proponent of the beautiful Tridentine Mass.

But I am also a Catholic and I believe that the Church knows best.

Should I ever change my mind, I can always leave. But where can I go — she has the words of life?


22 posted on 03/15/2013 5:32:17 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I wonder if the Latin Mass schismatics are kicking themselves now because they didn’t take Benedict up on his eagerness to bring them back into the fold. A couple of months ago, the Pope was someone who wanted them back badly. This guy does not have that as a priority.

They should have come back when the welcome mat was out.


23 posted on 03/15/2013 5:35:10 PM PDT by married21
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To: Longbow1969
I too am a non-catholic, so my knowledge is also limited, but am in total agreement with all you wrote.

Ann makes at least 7 reasoned points. (For the idiots reading this, reasoned does not necessarily mean correct). Yet most of the bozos responding only attacks Ann as a nut case. Not one of them writes where she is wrong. Yup, sounds like good libtards methods to me.

I pray and am sure Ann does also that she is found to be wrong. But methinks she may be dead on correct.

24 posted on 03/15/2013 5:42:26 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Mrs. Don-o

A you asked for it ping


25 posted on 03/15/2013 5:43:22 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: 353FMG

Having suffered through many interpretations of the proceedings and many abominations, not the least of which I consider to be the “music” they bring in, in favor of the beautiful traditional music, Western music at its origin, some argue, I have come to realize, and teach, that it is the Eucharist that is the center.

All else either takes away or adds to that. After we see the end of all of this horror, perhaps having stemmed from the Church in the West misguidedly working with local govts in economics (using them to enact social justice) the Church, knowing best, as you say, will attend to the mass as need be.


26 posted on 03/15/2013 5:43:40 PM PDT by stanne
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To: sgfan1212
By commenting on this thread, everyone here really has taken an action of asking her opinion, so we do obviously care in some way.

Since it was transmitted electronically, no paper was involved, so relative worth can’t be established in that way.
I know a few things about Ann Barnhardt.
I don’t know anything about you.
While I am not Catholic, I am also not a Catholic basher.

I often learn from those who disagree with each other on points of reference that are specifically Catholic, and of which I have no real understanding.

But your post offended me, because I learned nothing, except that you are a jerk.
Consider yourself chastised, and retreat to your own hole.

27 posted on 03/15/2013 5:44:19 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: basil

I’m sick to death of Ann Barnhardt and her increasingly insane screeds. Her voice alone assaults my nerves to the point I rush to turn her off. Ann get a new job or buy a Starbucks franchise or something to keep yourself busy.


28 posted on 03/15/2013 5:51:40 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: saywhatagain
I have no use for criticism of the Church at this time, especially having read Ann's extremely proud and disrespectful take on it in the past.

I skimmed it, and saw blasphemous trash, as I had before.

My comment is, she, and others on the left and far right and deranged, angry, what have you, they do not have to be Catholic and they do not have to like the Church.

I can read criticism of the government, the pundits and the voters. It is a democratic republic.

The Church is not democratic. It never was and it never will be.

Criticism from a woman who is angry is nothing I want to read.

I made my comment starting out with: I didn't read it.

I also acknowledge that many otherwise informed people have no regard for the history of the Church and its leaders all of whom have education and humanitarian credentials pages long. She criticizes the Mass. It is a low priority and it proves to me she needs to get a life and quit dumping her finances onto misguided charity cases and take a lesson from the Pope who wouldn't dump all his resources onto an unappreciative and undeserving case who would ruin him or the Church, as Ann did and as the US is doing in concurrence with the USCCB in catering to illegals who care nothing for this country.>

29 posted on 03/15/2013 5:55:18 PM PDT by stanne
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To: mnehring
Sadly Ann Barnhardt is mentally ill. This irrational screed is the product of her illness.
30 posted on 03/15/2013 5:56:02 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Longbow1969

Agree with your post.

Ann’s 8 part video series on today’s economic situation is dead-on accurate.I don’t think she is nuts. She just see further over the horizon than most. And she lives her beliefs.

Not being Catholic, I cannot comment on her inside baseball on such matters. But I too, was, troubled when I heard the new Pope was a Jesuit and I hope he has not been contaminated by the American version of that order.He seems like a good and humble man from first impressions.

It is Georgetown University of covering up the cross for Obama fame, and Notre Dame of having pro-abortion Obama as the commencement speaker in 2009—both of Jesuit fame—that give me pause about all things Jesuit. And where did Sandra Fluke come from—Jesuit Georgetown University.

The new Pope will have to directly confront homosexual groups within his own church and adherence to church doctrine in all matters. For America, he will have to insist that “cafeteria” teachings are not acceptable. Doctrine is either believed or it is not. It is not optional from his position as the Pope. Even politicians who promote abortion can no longer find sanctuary from errant cardinals and bishops giving them moral and political cover.

I wish him and all Catholics well.


31 posted on 03/15/2013 5:56:46 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Good Lord!
Barnhardt is starting to make Alex Jones and Lyndon Larouche look SANE by comparison. X.x


32 posted on 03/15/2013 6:01:56 PM PDT by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
That Pope Francis removed Cardinal Bernard Law from his position at the Basilica Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome tells me he is going to deal harshly with people like Law. Those who ignored pedophile priests when in leadership positions will be removed from their present positions. I think Ann Barnhardt should take another look at Pope Francis' dealings with church pedophilia.

Ann Barnhardt's criticism of Pope Francis for forbidding the use of the Tridentine Mass in Argentina has its reason. The 1962 Tridentine Mass is sometimes referred to as the "usus antiquior" (older use) or "forma antiquior" (older form), to differentiate it from the newer form of the Roman Rite in use since 1969 when Pope Paul VI initiated the newer revised Mass, as a result of the Second Vatican Council. For this reason, the Tridentine Mass became obsolete and the reason that, then, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Buenos Aires wanted to stay with the new form.

Most people associate the Tridentine Mass with that form said in Latin. Pope Paul VI actually wrote the new form in Latin and said it was OK to celebrate the new form in Latin.

The new Mass form has had its criticism from the very start with the "the Ottaviani Intervention" in June of 1969. The argument said that the new form was in variance to the Council of Trent (1545-63). This criticism has been voiced by Traditionalist Catholics ever since. To understand the issues voiced by the Traditionalist Catholics and Ann Barnhardt against the Pope Paul VI form, one would need the expertise of a Catholic theologian. Any experts out there?

33 posted on 03/15/2013 6:06:32 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; All

Interesting. Very interesting. Thanks to Ann Barnhardt, E. Pluribus Unum and every poster.


34 posted on 03/15/2013 6:08:20 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Pope Francis are polar opposites. Pope Francis, in his simplicity and reasonableness, is the stark rebuke to the current President's avaricious thirst for power, extravagance and living large, while people are suffering.

And he is spiteful. He shuts down the White House to the people because he wants to manipulate the situation. But he could pay for those visits easily by cutting a $27 million program to teach Moroccans how to make pottery, a program that is in itself rather arrogant and tinged with racism. WE are going to teach Moroccans how to make a tagine? They've been making pottery for millennia. It's like Morocco spending $27 million to teach Canadians how to play Hockey. But His Royal Hawaiian Highness would not even consider cutting the silly pottery subsidy. No, he has to "stick it to" the ungrateful population.

35 posted on 03/15/2013 6:09:16 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Longbow1969

You know, before you make assumptions, you might inform yourself. Even Rush Limbaugh, a non-Catholic for sure, paid enough attention to realize that
Jorge Mario Bergoglio was DESPISED by the Jesuit Liberation Theologians because he stood up to them.

He was basically exiled by his fellow Jesuits to the outlying provinces, teaching math and chemistry to high school kids.

John Paul II, that great bastion of eeeeeeeeevvvvvvvviiiiiiillllll Liberation Theology is the one who silently overrode the Jesuits and made the despised one a bishop, then archbishop, then cardinal, paving the way for him becoming pope.

He is no Liberation Theologian, he is the exact opposite. He comes from the same theological direction as Ratzinger and was one of Ratzinger’s strong backers in 2005 but lacks Ratzinger’s liturgical sense.

The SSPXers and radical Traditionalists (Barnhardt) have taken out after him as the Devil Incarnate. What they are doing is pure and simply evil. They are revealing their fundamentally schismatic inclinations. I am appalled at how they have treated their own Holy Father on the very first day of his pontificate. A pox on Ann Barnhardt and her ilk.


36 posted on 03/15/2013 6:10:26 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: 353FMG

I agree completely. This woman has taken her eyes off the cross...forgotten to be humble beneath the feet of God and let her ego lead her to the conclusion that she is a better judge of Popes than the men the holy spirit has actually tasked for the job.

I wonder how long it has been since she made an honest confession?


38 posted on 03/15/2013 6:16:37 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Longbow1969

There are many off-the-wall Jesuits. There are also a number of good and holy Jesuits: Mitch Pacwa at EWTN, Joseph Fessio at Ignatius Press, the late Fr. John Hardon, Paul Mankowski at one of the Roman Universities.

I could name a dozen more. Too few, yes. But simply assuming that all Jesuits are dissenters from Catholic teaching or proponents of Liberation Theology is just as bad as what the proponents of Liberation Theology do: distort the truth.

To pass judgment on a person based on guilt by association is an unChristian thing to do, whether one is Catholic or not.


39 posted on 03/15/2013 6:16:42 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"blessing" of a Superfun Rockband Church "pastor"

....lemme guess....Rick Warren.

40 posted on 03/15/2013 6:24:00 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sheesh Ann, let’s give him a chance. I like Ann’s passion for most things but this is over the top.


42 posted on 03/15/2013 6:28:38 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“blind leading the blind,” and “white-washed tombs, full of dead men’s bones.”


43 posted on 03/15/2013 6:35:35 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: basil

Oh, my goodness. How ugly! I’ve never heard of this person; her rant is filled with half-truths and lies.


44 posted on 03/15/2013 6:52:31 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Houghton M.

Thank you for that link. And for your reasoned replies.

I fear my biggest turn off with Ann of late, is simply that she is so so so angry. We are all frustrated, and often angry at that which we can’t control or change. Yet so much of what I’ve read from her over the last 6 months or better is just wall to wall seething anger.


45 posted on 03/15/2013 6:55:39 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
For starters I'm not a Catholic but I'm really excited about the new pope.

I think all those people who where saying the new holy father needed to be someone more progressive, more with the times are just plain stuck on stupid.

The word of God doesn't change with the times. Believe it or not at your own peril.

I for one am a broken sinner and I can never save myself except through my faith in Christ.

What really drives all these people nuts is in the dark still of night they are afraid God is real.

I feel this may be the last pope. Going to be an interesting time to be alive.

46 posted on 03/15/2013 7:04:22 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

This whole rant is horrible. If you believe that the Holy Spirit leads the Church, then you believe that Pope Francis was chosen by the Holy Spirit. Those who want to try to discredit Pope Francis before he has even begun are not praying to God. Obedience to the Holy Father is part of your Catholic faith. Deal with it. You are treading on dangerous ground when you believe you know better then the Holy Spirit.


47 posted on 03/15/2013 7:14:14 PM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

This was over the top & entirely inappropriate. We should be praying for our holy father, not bashing him.

She’s gonna have to walk this back.....or really have egg on her face.

I pray for her.


48 posted on 03/15/2013 7:24:50 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

She referred to priests ordained in the 60’s , 70’s and 80’s pejoratively.

For the record, Pope Francis was ordained in 1958.


49 posted on 03/15/2013 7:29:35 PM PDT by married21
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To: saywhatagain

The Church is certainly not in trouble. It thrives in Africa, Latin America and Asia. The West, the US and Europe, is in trouble due to its rejection of the Church. the Church is not thriving in those places.

In Catholicism the thinking is “you are what you read”.

What are you reading?

The Catechism states that one is not safe when reading illogical, degrading untruthful material. That goes for general entertainment, and one is not to be fooled by the film industry’s rating system, BTW, it’s the theme that counts.

It’s not necessarily inappropriate to insult at a time like this. What it is is silly.

And it is meant to discourage.

Three things:
One: If it detracts for the sake of cynicism, it does not come from a good place, and it is at least a waste of time, if not discouraging.
Two: The church is centered on faith. It is also, at the same time, centered on reason. It is the truth.
The hierarchy, if you take a moment to view the bio of anyone anybody is criticizing, there will be a moment of sobriety and a turning away from the detractors. People don’t give the average priest, much less, the hierarchy, attention of his education and works.
Three: Of course there are errant ways, as the Church is run by humans. Humility is a key. Peter denied Jesus three times, yet he was chosen After repentance, to lead the Church. that’s it.

the church is Bible based. Duh! Of course it is. Read a Missal, the daily readings of the mass (throughout the world it is the same day to day) and one will get a chronological and salient bible study. Most Catholics just don’t know that.
It is also based on tradition, like any family.
And it is based on the Magesterium - the divinely inspired teachings of the theologians.

Reading:
Keeping away from criticism is recommended, while reading those who strive for truth is worthwile:
Catholic exchange website
The Missal (includes the Bible)
The Catechism
George Wiegel
Scott Hahn
The encyclicals (Papal letters); esp Humanae Vitae
Popes JPII, esp Theology of the Body and BenXVI


50 posted on 03/15/2013 7:34:43 PM PDT by stanne
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