Skip to comments.Ann Barnhardt on Pope Francis
Posted on 03/15/2013 4:55:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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“What can I do to help You? What can I do to make You feel better? Let me take some of Your burden.
Ann B is delusional. Jesus had plenty to say about her kind.
>>Why all the OCD over this one version of the Mass that almost paints him like the AntiChrist himself for not liking it?<<
Either you are not a Catholic or you were brainwashed after Vatican II. It is not “liking” one “version” or another; there is the Mass and there is the Novus Ordo. They are two diametrically opposed entities, much like matter and anti-matter.
In 1974, the bishop of Wilmington, DE told me that there was no room in the Church for people like me (I do not accept the Novus Ordo as a valid Mass). That prohibition continues today.
Not to put too bold a stroke on it, but it reminds me off-hand of how the formerly-feuding Pharises and Saducees made their amazing, unprecedented big-tent alliance just once in history, to oppose you-know-Who.
Card. Bergoglio, in 2007 after Summorum Pontificum, TLM within 48 hours
Forty-eight hours after Summorum Pontificum, then Card. Bergoglio arranged Holy Mass in the traditional Roman Rite.
Ann is so hardcore. She almost makes me want to be Catholic.
The rest of them, however...
Yes, and what Jesus says in no way confirms "catholicism," but rather warns against it.
Yet another stroke of brilliance!
Re the "health" of the church is duly noted. In fact, recently read the the catholic religion is now the "largest" religion in China. Can't source that and not sure all the details. I do know the distribution of the bible in china has been beyond anything one can imagine.
Re "you are what you read." Absolutely. I agree with that and raise you what you watch and eat and the company you keep is important (vital)
Here is my issue . . . Many conservatives, Christians sometime live too much in a cocoon. They have a narrow view of the world and a narrow view of competing view points. Because of your past knowledge of Ann, you and others dismiss her out of hand. There are plenty of people we disagree with, but you know once in a while they do say something from a perspective worth considering. Ex:Pat Caddel at CPAC. So yes, we should be very careful what we read, and yes criticism specially inside the church can be unhealthy. But when someone with reason sounds an alarm, maybe, just maybe it's worth considering, if nothing more than to validate our own thoughts
Reading your thoughts, very thoughtful and important and will always consider, we agree in principal. I was just grinding my teeth because so many here dismissed what a person had to say without reading what that person had to say. You and others actually did, but I was breaking an eye tooth because most we're not saying WHY she was being blasphemous.
well said and worth repeating. Criticism is not totally inappropriate (as you said) but it should be measured and specific. Ann's diatribe is way over the top. I learned long ago that those that exaggerate to make a point often have no point.
What do you make of this Scripture?
King James Version (KJV)
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." --Jesus
"And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector." --Jesus
"if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in Gods household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." --St. Paul
"I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one I in them and you in meso that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me." --Jesus
I'm not a regular reader of Barnhart's stuff but I've read some of it in the past. I've never considered anything she wrote unworthy of reading until this article.
I fail to see the "reason" you speak of. All I saw was a long rant. And an admission of seething hate. I found her lacking reason because she didn't give any credible sources to substantiate her allegations. She didn't state facts objectively but resorted to biased, insulting descriptions. And while acting as if she's an authority on Christianity she displayed a complete lack of Christian charity. Any point she might have made was, for me, lost in her venom. A depth of venom that made her seem less focused and logical than anything I've previously seen from her. I don't recall reading anything especially objectionable from her in the past. But if this is how she'll be writing in the future, I'll take a pass on her articles whatever their subject. Peace be with you.
Am well travelled and have many liberal family members with whom I communicate.
Read recommendations and see they are the opposite of narrow.
I Don’t dismiss Ann, just don’t want nor need to see heer papal smear. That’s all.
Awesome reply. If nobody else chastised this idiot, I was going to do so, but I don’t think I can top yours.
She’s wrong on this particular issue.
Royal Hawaiian Highness...hah...lol...love it!!!
I learned about Jesuits by living next to one in a college dormitory. Let's just say I overheard enough about lack of belief in God to not reject in toto what Ann is saying. The college was kind of a seedy backwater where the Jebbies sent some of their problems. I ran into one at the house of a female relative of a girl I was seeing (they were involved), one dressed like Count Dracula, another wrote movie reviews for Playboy and my dorm counselor claimed to be a pal of the Exorcist. Colorful bunch.
Care to state why you think so?
Went back and re read considering yours and others perspective. Yeah I can see where those from the church taken aback. I give you that.
Being a non catholic, I gotta kinda agree with her on the Jesuit? part. Yes there are exceptions to everything, but in general, all the Jesuit priests I know in the public sector are . . . I want to say scum, but will be nice. They certainly do not share my values. Pretenders many of them, starting with the governor of California and those a holes in the 60's protesting for all things socialism/communism. He being from Argentina, he was in the middle of all that crap. Was he picked out because he withstood all of them. We can only pray.
FWIW I would feel the same about this article if it were written about any leader of any Christian denomination. Or Jewish or other peaceful religion as well. But most especially I feel this way because it's written by a self-identified Christian and its topic is another self-identified Christian. If an author can't show the charity of Christ her points are going to be lost on me because she is showing me she isn't bearing fruit of the Holy Spirit. That's my litmus test :) Zeal I can handle, even when it overexerts itself and bubbles all over the place. But this didn't feel like zeal. It felt like hate :( Thanks for your kind response. IMHO my best response for this woman is prayer, not condemnation.
“... she didn’t give any credible sources to substantiate ...”
That doesnt mean they dont exist. Mentioned above is how the SP was implemented within 48 hours of its dissemination, but without details. It (TLM) was sited in a place described as a crypt, and sufficiently modified so that people stopped coming after a few weeks. As for the Jesuits, Malachi Martin explains their transformation in the 20th century in his book The Jesuits.
Some refer to Ann as being angry (perhaps true), although I see her passion, and perhaps frustration that other worthy candidates were overlooked.
I didn't say there are no sources to substantiate her points. I said she chose not to present any. An attack of that nature without much to back it up is hot air to me. Others are free to see it differently.
Most likely the new Pope will treat the old Tridentine mass as a “rite”, just as there are Eastern Catholic rites in the Church Ann.
Do not be surprised if he does the same for Cardinal Mahoney down the road as well and elevate Archbishop Gomez to the position of being a cardinal.
Who is Ann Barnhardt? Thank God the selection of the Pope is in God’s hands. That’s all I’m going to say about that.
In Argentina, Father Bergoglio was disliked by leftist since the 70’s. That alone, says alot about him. Cardinal Bergoglio opposed the Socialist governments of both, husband and then wife, Kirshners, to the point of being accused being head of the opposition. His confrontation were things like contradicting government reports of poverty, with his own reports, reminding people that poverty had actually increased. Etc. My Argentinian friend says that Christina Kirshner tried to put him in jail. He is a threat to leftist liberals, and that is why the media is in a frenzy.
Message from screamin’ Argentinian Leftist and Nobel Peace Prize winner Adolfo Perez Esquivels website translated by Google translator:
We welcome the appointment of the first Latin American pope in the history of the Catholic Church and its choice of name hopeful Francisco to pursue his papal period.
Hopefully you will work for justice and peace beyond the pressures and interests of world powers. Expect to put aside mistrust Vatican to prominence of the peoples in their liberation. And also encourage social transformations that have been ongoing in Latin America and elsewhere in the world, with the help of popular governments that try to overcome the night of neoliberalism.
We hope you have the courage to defend the rights of the people against the powerful, without repeating the grave mistakes, and sins, which was the Church. During the last dictatorship in Argentina the members of the Catholic Church had not homogeneous attitudes. It is undisputed that there was complicity of much of the church hierarchy in the genocide perpetrated against the people of Argentina, and although many with excessive caution silent efforts made to free the persecuted, few pastors who courageously and decisively took our human rights struggle against the military dictatorship. Jorge Bergoglio not think that has been complicit in the dictatorship, but I think he lacked courage to accompany our struggle for human rights in the most difficult moments.
I am traveling to Italy to celebrate another anniversary of the martyrdom of Archbishop Arnulfo Romero, a conservative minister against repression in El Salvador had his Road to Damascus to the people and gave his life for justice and peace. I hope also that the choice of the name Francisco, one of the most important saints of the Church, expressed in testimony of option and defense of the poor against the powerful and the defense of the environment.
Francois has not inherited an imperial throne chair but the humble fisherman. So we hope do not forget the words of Argentine martyr Bishop, Bishop Enrique Angelelli, when he said that we have heard in the Gospel and one in the village, to know what God says.
Peace and Good
Adolfo Perez Esquivel
Nobel Peace Prize
Adolfo Pérez Esquivel
He disapproved of the European intervention in the Libyan civil war and warned against an intervention in Syria. In the aftermath of the Death of Osama bin Laden, he sent a letter to President Barack Obama suggesting the United States killed rather than tried bin Laden because he may have revealed unsettling information about 9/11. He argued, You know that there are people who have investigated the tragic events of 9/11/2001 and claim there is evidence that this was a self-coup (self-inflicted attack). Later, he added, This event was the perfect excuse to launch a war against Afghanistan and Iraq and now against Libya, and referred to the United States an axis of evil.
Mr. Esquivel has been quoted in several recent articles defending the Pope against accusations of his involvement/non-involvement in the “Dirty War”.
The Leftist Jewish organizations ADL, AJC, Bnai Brith and also Muslims also “welcome” the new pope.
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Italian descent, higher education in Germany, appointed by JPII, an ecumenist in the same vein as JPII and PE Benedict.
Despite all the clatter about him being “conservative”, he is going to prove out as being a leftist. Sad.
The part of verse 24 that you put in boldface--I'm guessing you are saying that Paul is somehow adding to Jesus' work at the cross, but that is not what he's saying. What Jesus did at the cross, he did alone. He did it once, for all. Only He is worthy to make that sacrifice, because He is sinless.
Paul is rejoicing in his afflictions, not because he is adding to, or "helping" Jesus, but because he knows the trials he is going through, as a minister of the Gospel, will help strengthen the faith of the church--the body of Christ. The example of his trials will help fill up what is lacking in the faith of the church.
Matthew 16:18 is misinterpreted by catholics. Peter was another disciple of Jesus like the others.
Jesus’ church, His body of believers, is built on His sacrifice and His revelation to the minds and spirits of believers by the Holy Spirit. He said that Peter was blessed because he received knowledge of who Jesus is through revelation of the Spirit. The Holy Spirit had not yet been given to the saints (who are simply believers in Christ). Jesus was declaring that His church would be based on spiritual revelation from God.
If you look just a few verses later in the same chapter, Jesus rebukes Peter (calls him Satan, in fact) for not accepting that Jesus would have to go through his terrible death to defeat death.
My couple of comments last night were to my husband (who was raised catholic, but is now a Bible-believing Christian instead). I did not intend to argue with catholics, because that only wastes everyone’s time. I don’t intend to argue with catholics today, either—just this comment to you and one other who wrote last night.
So which body of believers do we go to to settle disputes, as Jesus commands?
For Christ's command to make any sense, His Church would have to be unified and visible.
With regard to the office of Peter, check out these verses: Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, and Revelation 3:7
As I said, I’m sorry, but I’m not going to get into debating with a catholic. I believe catholicism is unscriptural in numerous ways, and we will never agree.
People can say whatever they want. Recent history has another story. It is really too soon for anyone to make any judgements, but my family is from Latin America and we know the courage it took for a man like Bogoglio to stand up to dictators and activist clergy. We are gratefull to God, He knows what he is doing. Real Catholics understand that, and others shouldn’t even concern themselves. The Pope is still Catholic. The gates of Hades will NEVER prevail.
You presume that they want to be back. I think they enjoy perceiving themselves as holier that the pope.
Her market commentary is spot on. The problem with her rants against the church is she operates with a chainsaw when a scalpel would be more appropriate. For example this comment
Jesuits, in addition to being a cult of sodomites who hate God, are also wait for it Marxists.
This statement is plain ignorant. There are many fine Jesuits in the Church but Ann cant, or wont acknowledge that.
Or this one
"He hates and despises the Tridentine Mass, which is to say that he hates the Mass."
Another ignorant statement. Ann needs to stick to market commentary. Her rants against the Church make her look silly.
she may have some good points to moniter.
Not necessarily "mean", but clearly misguided.
Anger and "seething, visceral hatred" are not from God.
From anger, hatred, and all ill will,
deliver us, O Lord.
Well then, you're calling the Litany of the Saints wrong.
And did He not also say that He hates sin?
Yes, including the sin of anger.
"Anger and fury are both of them abominable, and the sinful man shall be subject to them." Ecl. 27:33
"But I say to you that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgement. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." Matt. 5:22
There is absolutely NOTHING holy, righteous, or prudent about remaining passive in the face of evil.
One must distinguish the difference between "remaining passive in the face of evil" and responding inappropriately to a perceived evil.
"But above all these things have charity, which is the bond of perfection." Col. 3:14
St. Teresa of Avila, a TRUE reformer and a Doctor of the Church, had this to say:
"Charity and obedience... If one of these motives is not involved, I do not hesitate to say that solitude is best."
And finally, from St. Paul: "If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." 1 Cor. 13:1
Disagree. Righteous anger and "seething, visceral hatred" are not the same thing. Any time you use words such as "seething visceral hatred" a little voice in your head should be warning you that these are words that Jesus never would have uttered. To hate the entire Jesuit order and to denigrate our New Holy Father (who has done nothing to deserve our "righteous anger") is just plain wrong.
That is an absolute horrific piece she has written about the Pope - and I like Ann Barnhardt. Talk about slander and detraction. Shame on you, Ann.
The schismatics may well enjoy being holier than the Pope. It won’t be quite as much fun to be that way, though, when the Pope is not paying attention.
Oh, and I thought of a good reason why not to read Barnhardts rant.
When people are so right that they think they are better than the pope, they are dissenters. Reading their stuff is like ingesting poison
I always loved this one...... Catholics drafted and compiled scripture But they’ve unscriptural? I do agree that we will never agree.
"They" told you that, huh?
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