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Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi will represent the United States at Pope Francisí Inaugural Mass
http://www.catholicvote.org ^ | March 15, 2013 | Stephen Kokx

Posted on 03/15/2013 7:44:34 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Vice President Joe Biden, Minority leader Nancy Pelosi, New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez and Georgetown University President John J. DeGioia will represent the United States at the Mass of Inauguration for Pope Francis on March 19th, according to the Daily Caller.

I sincerely hope Pope Francis denies Communion to Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden. Not because I’m a jerk, but because it’s for their own good.

In order to receive Communion worthily you must 1) be in a state of grace 2) have made a good confession since your last mortal sin 3) believe in transubstantiation 4) observe the Eucharistic fast and 5) not be under an ecclesiastical censure such as excommunication.

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To: ansel12
I find it a little hard to believe that a Pope wouldn’t know who is second in line to the most powerful man on earth

Oh I'm sure he'll be told that it's the VP but why would he know anything about Biden's faux Catholicism or anything about Pelosi and the American bishops sure as heck aren't going to fill him in.

We like to think the U.S. is the center of the universe but the world is a big place. There are parts of the world where Christians are being slaughtered by Muslims. The Curia is a pit of vipers. The homo-socialist bishops are hanging on to power throughout the entire Church. The Chinese government is appointing bishops. Our national politics are not high on the Pontiff's priority list.

51 posted on 03/15/2013 9:38:50 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: longfellowsmuse
Biden and Pelosi are either ignorant, possessed or both

They are arrogant and know that their heresy will be hailed as legitimate Catholic teaching in Catholic churches, schools, and colleges around the nation. Their receiving Communion is proof of their legitimacy.

52 posted on 03/15/2013 9:41:36 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: PeevedPatriot
Cardinal Wuerl, as abp of Washington DC does not believe in refusing Communion to abortion promoters.

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do any of the cardinals present in Rome have authority over Biden or Pelosi's home bishop and therefore have the authority to instruct them not to present themselves for communion?

Nobody will say a word.

53 posted on 03/15/2013 9:44:13 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Just swell!


54 posted on 03/15/2013 9:46:00 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Seems there would be staff in the Vatican who would know about high ranking us pols especially those who are catholic


55 posted on 03/15/2013 9:51:25 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Salvation
What about Roberts' adoptive children?

You seem to have inside knowledge and ready to whitewash his cow towing to Obama because of this "issue" that is more important than the rights of 200 million other citizens.

You say "when it all comes out" I'm thinking either that you have no idea but are ready to believe some Internet story, or you are sworn to secrecy. Either you know something or you believe a rumor that has spread over the Internet.

Whatever it is, I'm not ready to accept his selling out my rights, granted by the Constitution. He had a duty to vote no and then design over his secret, if that's the truth.

56 posted on 03/15/2013 9:54:20 PM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Thanks for your reply. I’m aware of Wuerl’s stance. I specifically want to know if he has AUTHORITY based on the fact that they are representing an entity in his diocese. Cardinal Burke has spoken about this and I have read his statement about the home diocesan bishops having the “duty” to handle proabort politicians. What I specifically want to know is whether any of the cardinals in Rome have AUTHORITY to instruct the openly proabort politicians in the delegation (i.e. outside their home dioceses) not to present for communion at this Mass (not whether they have the willingness to use such authority). Peace be with you.


57 posted on 03/15/2013 9:57:11 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: Jeff Chandler

Let’s be real, he would be an idiot not to know who the President and vice-President of the United States is, he probably even knows little things like who Putin is, and David Cameron.

It is pretty hard to be an educated, well read man with a global perspective who does not even know who leads the most powerful nation on earth, and is fighting Muslims all over the world.


58 posted on 03/15/2013 9:58:23 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: EBH

When the politics involve warring against the Catholic church, yes they are. Politicians who vote for abortion are excommunicated. The excommunicated are not to receive the eucharist. If anyone recives the eucharist when they are not worthy, the bible tells us they drink death upon themselves. Therefore, as a mercy to the excommunicated, priests are not supposed to offer them the eucharist.


59 posted on 03/15/2013 9:58:32 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: zerosix

It was on FR


60 posted on 03/15/2013 10:00:42 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

What?


61 posted on 03/15/2013 10:03:06 PM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: ansel12

Let’s be real. There is no way they will be denied Communion. Ain’t gonna happen. That matters only to a tiny minority of conservative American Catholics.


62 posted on 03/15/2013 10:08:30 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: ansel12

Way back, when Law was first made Cardinal, he was assigned as priest to a church in Rome, as all Cardinal-priests are. Because he was busy beign an archbishop, a vicar was assigned to cover the parish in his absence, as is the normal case for archbishop cardinals. When Law was forced to step down, he went back to his other job, being priest to the parish in Rome. He served there until he reached the age of retirement, when he was immediately replaced. But he continued to live on the premises.

When Pope Francis arrived, he visited Cdl. Law’s former church. Cdl. Law snuck in to meet with him, angering Pope Francis, who ordered him never to go to that church again, and is kicking him out of the apartment.


63 posted on 03/15/2013 10:13:01 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Cardinal Wuerl was upbraided by the Archbishop of Saint Louis, Cdl. Burke. Cdl. Wuerl basically told him to mind his own business. Pope Benedict XVI responded by making Cdl. Burke the head of what is essentially the Catholic Supreme Court, where Burke had the authority to publicly declare himself right and Wuerl wrong. Unfortunately, Wuerl has apostolic authority as a bishop, and short of heresy, cannot be removed.


64 posted on 03/15/2013 10:16:32 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: Jeff Chandler
There is no way they will be denied Communion. Ain’t gonna happen. That matters only to a tiny minority of conservative American Catholics.

The Catholic vote affects all of us, conservatives care tons about what effect he will have on the catholic vote.

65 posted on 03/15/2013 10:22:05 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: Salvation
I just researched the John Roberts and Blackmail and they come from an article questioning if there could have been blackmail involved in his vote, as a way to excuse it.

There was nothing at all other than true-believers in Roberts who failed to understand why he voted as he did and speculated that there might be blackmail involved, and then went further to proclaim that the supposed blackmail involved the adoption of his two children.

This article was nothing more than mere questions. Not even a shred of evidence about anything, just a lame attempt to explain away his selling out the pro-life position and his siding with the likes of Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sotomayor!

66 posted on 03/15/2013 10:22:23 PM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: dangus

So Law no longer has a Catholic title, and no longer lives within the church properties, and is now just a regular Joe pew sitter that has to find his own non-Catholic place to live and his own car and everything, just paying all of his own bills, rent, food, repairs, on his pension alone?


67 posted on 03/15/2013 10:25:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: Salvation

If you knew what I thought of the head of the Supreme Court being so disgusting, so unchristian, so vile and traitorous as to participate in blackmail to ruin America and rig Court decisions, or of the kind of person who thinks that is a good avenue of cover for someone, by offering up blackmail as something acceptable.

You would recognize that you are spreading one of the most horrible accusations against Roberts that is possible.

I don’t believe you of course, such a deed would make him worse than Benedict Arnold.


68 posted on 03/15/2013 10:34:57 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: ansel12
It was quite emphatically reported that Pope Francis was offended at his presence, I'm not sure what was meant by the report when it said that officials would arrange for him someplace else to live. Were they going to simply help him relocate, or provide some sort of more modest accommodations. I don't know if you saw any of the photos of the Vatican "hotel" that the cardinals stayed at, but their lodging consisted of a small room with a twin bed and a small desk.
69 posted on 03/15/2013 10:37:08 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: dangus

That looks typical, but it doesn’t answer anything, it sounds like the cardinal is doing just fine and that at age 82 or whatever, he may have to settle for a low public profile, unless he moves into his own place and gives up his roll in the Catholic organization.


70 posted on 03/15/2013 10:41:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: dangus

Dangus, You’ve hit on the crux of my question. Does Cardinal Burke have authority to tell the proaborts to abstain at the inaugural Mass? Or does that authority reside solely with Wuerl or the bishops in the home dioceses of these politicians?


71 posted on 03/15/2013 10:43:12 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: NKP_Vet

There is no way those two get along.


72 posted on 03/15/2013 10:48:40 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: zerosix
Actually, Roberts said it is a legal tax and that it is not the job of the USSC to protect idiots from those they elect of their own free will. He didn't say a word about whether or not the HHS mandate is legal because that was not a question before the court.
73 posted on 03/15/2013 11:02:54 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
We will know very soon exactly where this Pope stands.

He has the rare opportunity to make an example of the evil degenerates the moslem in the WH sends as his emissaries in a deliberate insult to the successor to Saint Peter.

The satanic American communists and muhammedans worldwide will be watching to see if the moslem Hussein Baraka's provocation will be repulsed appropriately.

74 posted on 03/15/2013 11:05:24 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Salvation

“The truth will come out about all of this. I still like Roberts because he is a constitutionalist.”

Yeah, think about how much you like him when the Obamacare Death Panel gets you.


75 posted on 03/15/2013 11:33:52 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
They are arrogant and know that their heresy will be hailed as legitimate Catholic teaching in Catholic churches, schools, and colleges around the nation. Their receiving Communion is proof of their legitimacy.

And that is my greatest fear, the use of this sacrament for political gains. And perhaps it will be this act of arrogance that will bring an official excommunication order down upon them? A mockery of the Pope, Church, Faith, and God...after the massive denial at the DNC convention I put nothing past this 'evil' as it presents itself before the Eucharist.

And ya' know, in a way it makes a mockery of our Freedom of Religion in the long run.

76 posted on 03/16/2013 5:05:30 AM PDT by EBH ( American citizens do not negotiate with political terrorists.)
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To: NKP_Vet

It will be a deciding moment for the Catholic Church. Giving communion or not to abortionist supporters sets the template for what is most important for the church under this new Pope...politics or doctrine. The church’s future will be defined by the outcome.


77 posted on 03/16/2013 5:39:27 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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To: Ray76

>>>Sending the House minority leader is odd. It’s purpose is to insult.>>>

It’s more than an insult. It’s Obama’s outright announcement that he’s against the Catholic Church and ALL Christian religions.

But what did we expect from Osama Obama?

His speechwriters are now preparing his announcement that Christians are unwelcome in the USA.


78 posted on 03/16/2013 6:00:22 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: longfellowsmuse

I suspect there are plenty of US priests in the Vatican who know exactly who Pelosi and Biden are and can advise the Pontiff accordingly. Let’s see if it matters...if it doesn’t, we’ll know how viable the future of the Church will be in America... “...hypocrisy is the birth of atheism...” John Paul II


79 posted on 03/16/2013 6:29:54 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: PeevedPatriot

Cardinal Wuerl is as bad as Mahony...no spine whatsoever when it comes to these catholic posers.


80 posted on 03/16/2013 6:32:11 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: eyedigress
He should excommunicate them both


81 posted on 03/16/2013 6:41:05 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Salvation
They have excommunicated themselves

How absurd.

This is what needs to be said to them:

"We separate them, together with their accomplices and abettors, from the precious body and blood of the Lord and from the society of all Christians; we exclude them from our Holy Mother, the Church in Heaven, and on earth; we declare them excommunicate and anathema; we judge them damned, with the Devil and his angels and all the reprobate, to eternal fire until they shall recover themselves from the toils of the devil and return to amendment and to penitence."

82 posted on 03/16/2013 6:44:59 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I have no doubt this Pope will know who those two evil wankers are. I am sure he will be apprised of who is attending.


83 posted on 03/16/2013 6:51:50 AM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

If I was the two of them I would not want to show my face in front of the Holy Father. They both should have been denied communion a long time ago. I’ll be curious to see how he receives them.


84 posted on 03/16/2013 6:53:46 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

You are right about William Bendix’s famous line in “The Life of Riley.” The golden age of REAL sitcoms. I guess this means that you are my advanced age.


85 posted on 03/16/2013 6:58:53 AM PDT by Ax
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To: NKP_Vet

How embarrassing for the USA.


86 posted on 03/16/2013 7:06:30 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ansel12

He was already removed from St. Mary Major as soon as canon law allowed. (Cardinals must be pastors of Roman churches.) The point of the incident was that it shows that Pope Francis was disgusted by him.

Pope Benedict and/or John Paul seemed to have had the attitude, “well, we don’t have any specific evidence that he broke any criminal or canon laws, as bad as the situation looks, and as tragic as the outcomes were.” Pope Francis seems to have more the attitude of, “well get him out of my sight anyway! He disgusts me!”


87 posted on 03/16/2013 7:06:53 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: PeevedPatriot

The church preaches, it does not enforce. Cardinal Burke can proclaim to the world that pro-abortion politicians drink condemnation onto themselves when they receive the eucharist, and he can admonish and clarify canon law to his fellow bishops. But I do not know of any mechanism by which he can force Cardinal Wuerl to act. The church seems so much harsher against the trads than the liberals, the SSPX broke canon law. The liberals are more subversive.


88 posted on 03/16/2013 7:10:35 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: Ray76
Sending the House minority leader is odd. It’s purpose is to insult.

I read that Obama offered the spot to Boehner, but that Boehner declined. My question is did Boehner decline because of "too much work", or because he was embarrassed to appear with Biden?

89 posted on 03/16/2013 7:12:27 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: PeevedPatriot

I missed the word, “inaugural.” In general, Wuerl does what he wants in his diocese. At the papal mass, it’s up to Pope Francis. My main concern is that being an Argentine, he doesn’t know Pelosi from Adam.


90 posted on 03/16/2013 7:18:45 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: dforest
Nobody is going to deny Communion to a high political official. It never happens and never will.


91 posted on 03/16/2013 8:43:42 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: dangus
My main concern is that being an Argentine, he doesn’t know Pelosi from Adam.

I have been informed by the members of this forum that the Cardinal of Buenos Aires, Argentina would indeed be well versed on internal partisan politics in the United States. Probably reads The Hill and watches the Sunday Morning Talk Shows.

92 posted on 03/16/2013 8:47:48 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

BTW, if the abortocrats can push abortion and fag marriage as being in line with Catholic teaching and still receive Communion, then conservatives can tell the bishops to go fly a kite on the issues of taxes, welfare, immigration, and capital punishment. Seamless garment, doncha know.


93 posted on 03/16/2013 8:51:12 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: Rashputin
Sad all the way around on Roberts.

Moral of the story: never out your hopes on "Men in Black" as Mark Levin wrote.

The scoundrels who get away scott free on writing or rather passing these abominations need to be as far away from DC as we can send them.

They are about to flush this country down the drain while we sit back at home and hope for 5 good men riding white horses to declare this crap "unconstitutional," when they ha e vested interests elsewhere.

Once I found out Congress exempted itself from "insider trading," I realized the gig was up, we are jailed for stuff they do each and every day.

Now they tell me, employees at the IRS owe millions in unpaid taxes, while they threaten to jail great auntie for owing $15,000 on some stock she didn't even know she owned!

I used to think people who said they were all crooks and there was no difference between the parties, were cynics, I no longer believe that. They ARE all crooks and sadly, I'm paying them!

94 posted on 03/16/2013 10:16:37 AM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: zerosix

Roberts was basically an unknown when Bush picked him. He had about two years sitting on an appeals court and nothing else. Earlier in his career he represented a couple of sodomites before the Supreme Court. HE WAS THEIR LAWYER.

Roberts is a liberal. A wasted pick by a republican president. Clinton could have picked this loser for that matter. As long as he sits on the bench he will always side with liberals. Saying DOMA is unconstitutional will be his next decision.


95 posted on 03/16/2013 11:12:24 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Jeff Chandler

Nobody said a word about internal politics, the President and vice-president and a Speaker of the House were mentioned, you might not read much, but a powerful, high ranking man in Argentina who was in line to be Pope, would probably at least read a daily newspaper.

It is natural that a democrat president would choose the two leading Catholic politicians in America, from his own party, and the party supported by Catholic voters.


96 posted on 03/16/2013 11:26:25 AM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: dangus

It seems that Cardinal Law is doing fine and has merely been moved sideways to give him a lower profile, it isn’t like he is being booted and becoming one of the common people, he is still inside the bubble.


97 posted on 03/16/2013 11:30:27 AM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: dangus

Thank you for clarifying for me. I was uncertain whether Cardinal Burke could himself directly admonish Pelosi et al not to present for communion. In other words not force Wuerl’s hand but act by virtue of his own authority. Thanks again!


98 posted on 03/16/2013 11:44:13 AM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: NKP_Vet

As a (long since lapsed) Catholic, when I find myself in church I don’t go for communion since I know the rules and I know I don’t follow them.

Way I figure, if you want to break the rules, it’s up to you, but I’ve never seen a priest outright refuse Eucharist to someone.

The honor system is in play here.


99 posted on 03/16/2013 11:49:51 AM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: NKP_Vet

:)Chris Mathews would have been a nice added touch.


100 posted on 03/16/2013 12:01:16 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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