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"Anyone who does not pray to the Lord prays to the devil." Homily of the Holy Father Pope Francis
Vatican.VA ^ | March 14, 2013 | Pope Francis

Posted on 03/15/2013 8:17:53 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal

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To: 21twelve
As a Protestant I am slowly learning that the language the Catholics use with regard to Mary (and other things) are probably not what I take them to mean.

As a former Catholic, I can tell you, that Catholics say the things evangelicals believe, only to get them (evangelicals) to leave them alone, and to make them think that they are really not any different in their beliefs. It's almost a form of taqiyya.
51 posted on 03/16/2013 2:09:13 PM PDT by Old Yeller
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To: Jmouse007

—— dedicated to the worship of Mary ——

I’m sorry, but that’s funny.

You might want to put a little more elbow grease into your apologetics efforts.

52 posted on 03/16/2013 2:09:48 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
OTOH, your religion, where the saints are dead, isn’t very appealing.

No saints are not dead. As a matter of fact, according to the bible, saints are the body of Christ, i.e. all believers. Here and in heaven. Not just individuals canonized by the pagan RCC.
53 posted on 03/16/2013 2:14:37 PM PDT by Old Yeller
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To: PeevedPatriot
Bearing false witness? What? I think not. According to official Vatican sources, what I stated earlier is EXACTLY WHAT HE DID:

His very first act as "pope" was to go to slip out of the Vatican, drive across Rome to the Basilica of St. Mary Major, the largest basilica in the world DEDICATED TO Mary, the so-called "Mother of God". He then proceeded to pray in front of an ancient ICON, called the Salus Populi Romani, or the Protectress of the Roman People (preposterously held by Roman Catholic tradition to have been painted by St. Luke himself). He also brought flowers and laid them beneath the idolic ICON IN HONOR OF MARY!

So, the very first act of this new "pontificate" was to pray before the idol of the Virgin Mary which he chose to do of his own free will! So much for being an "advocate for the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

I didn't say or do these things. According to Roman Catholic "church" sources this is the very FIRST official act "pope" Francis did as "pope".

I am not "bearing false witness", all I did was REPEAT what the RC "church" SAID that HE DID (they even have pictures to prove it! Don't believe me? Then read it and see for your self and weep because your new "pope" is no friend of Christ, he is an idol worshiper, just like those before him:

54 posted on 03/16/2013 2:14:48 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Old Yeller

—— No saints are not dead. As a matter of fact, according to the bible, saints are the body of Christ, i.e. all believers. Here and in heaven. Not just individuals canonized by the pagan RCC ——

Good to see that you agree with the teaching of the Catholic Church.

55 posted on 03/16/2013 2:25:00 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: ebb tide; Mrs. Don-o
Here's a photo of him kneeling and bowing his head to receive the blessing of Protestant ministers along with Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa.

You are mistaken. In actuality, Cardinal Bergoglio knelt down to receive the blessing of Fr. Cantalamessa. The Protestants decided to join in. What was the Cardinal supposed to do at that point? Make a scene in front of a large audience? Or take the risk that uncharitable folk in the future would distort what actually happened?

56 posted on 03/16/2013 3:47:21 PM PDT by ELS
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Good catch. Thanks. I’ve seen this kind of thing before: tendentious misinterpretation of photos. I will have to remember to ping you when I notice other possible examples.

57 posted on 03/16/2013 4:05:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: 21twelve

Your point of view in learning the “language” of other faith communities seems wise, patient, respectful. Thank you. I really appreciate that. I hope I always offer you the same.

58 posted on 03/16/2013 4:08:31 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.")
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To: PeevedPatriot; HoosierDammit; crusadersoldier
Fine, in the future I will limit myself to calling them, "whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men's bones, and of all filthiness."

Imitating Christ can't be too harsh when confronting those who slander both Christ and the Bride of Christ.

have a nice day.

59 posted on 03/16/2013 5:03:59 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Jmouse007
Yes, bearing false witness. Creating a false narrative by twisting the pope's actions is bearing false witness. I have difficulty believing that a nonCatholic cannot understand the difference between a basilica that honors the service of a historical Christian figure and a site of idol worship. There's a Protestant church I'm familiar with that's dedicated to St Mark yet I've never heard a single nonCatholic accuse them of worshiping Mark. So I know that this concept isn't foreign to nonCatholics.

I also believe that nonCatholics are capable of grasping the difference between praying to an image and praying to God in the presence of an image that invokes memories of significant events in Christian history. We had flowers in front of my dad's picture at his funeral in his protestant church. None of the nonCatholics present seemed to consider that idol worship. Not even if the pastor held that picture in his hands while praying. So again, this concept isn't foreign to nonCatholics.

So yeah, I stand by my statement that comments such as those you made are false witness. But you answer to God, not me, so I wish you peace as I leave this thread.

60 posted on 03/16/2013 9:28:50 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Until then (Second Vatican Council) Church doctrine had asserted that, due to Jesus' execution, God had removed the covenant from the people of Israel and transferred it to the Church, the 'true Israel' (Verus Israel). Now the Church accepted the existence of an ongoing covenant between God and the Jewish people, which constituted a major theological breakthrough in its relationship with it."

61 posted on 03/17/2013 11:58:06 AM PDT by ebb tide
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I would like to see your source. In the meantime, what was Fr. Catalamessa and the Cardinal doing up there in the first place?

“No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics.” (The Council of Laodicea, 4th Century).

62 posted on 03/17/2013 12:17:19 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“You say I made a charge against you. Read more carefully: if you put subject and verb together, you’ll see I did not. I as consciously making an effort not to.”

I recommend you read more carefully and write more carefully, yourself. My verb was “think”, not “charge” as you stated. But, I see from your above sentence, you use the word “charge” quite often and often wrongly.

Good Day.

63 posted on 03/17/2013 12:53:19 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: PeevedPatriot

You don’t worship the serpent.. no one prays to the serpent or cherubims.. Mary is worshipped.. she has special days- maybe even special Mariology classes... Mary if I am not mistaken is sinless in RCC. The coronation in Revelation is about Israel unless Mary is queen of Israel (maybe because we know she is called the queen of heaven).. only Enoch and Elijah that I remember are up in heaven without dying. The bible doesn’t discuss her death not because she didn’t die but because she isn’t important to our salvation. Certainly a miracle like Enoch or Elijah would have been recorded. The bible teaches us Jesus and the Holy Spirit make mediation and intercession for us. Thats 2/3 of the Trinity mediating to the Father for us.. That is in the bible.. Not making it up.. Why go to those nonomnicient dead people when you have Christ and the Holy Spirit living in you to mediate?

64 posted on 03/18/2013 6:12:47 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Rashputin

Fatima is a hoax perpetrated on the RCC by Satan who can transform into angels of light- 2 Corinthians 11:14
rosary ain’t biblical. In fact Christ talks about vain repetitive prayer in Mathew 6..(along with how to pray basics)
praying to Marys immaculate heart ain’t biblical.
Neither is Mary ‘s asumption- nor is praying to holy queen, mother of mercy- nor the prayer that starts out Queen of the holy rosary.

Lots of RC practices in that one little book- the manual for praying the rosary with so much not in the Word of God...

Fatima will drag some of the elect to hell....

65 posted on 03/18/2013 6:31:38 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante
Scripture doesn't prohibit repetitive prayer. It prohibits VAIN repetition. Unless you're capable of judging hearts you don't know whether Catholics are vain in prayer. Scripture contains many examples of repetitive prayer. Jesus prayed the same prayer three times in the garden and the psalms are full of repetitive prayer.

You don’t worship the serpent.. no one prays to the serpent or cherubims.. Mary is worshipped

Without intending disrespect, you are not qualified to state who I do or don't worship. Are you privy to the words and sentiments of my silent prayer?

she has special days

"Special days" don't mean the individual is worshiped any more than we worship secular figures on national holidays. If you can understand the concept of honoring the sacrifice of our military on national holidays then you can understand the concept of honoring important figures in salvation history. If I give thanks to God for the apostles who were martyred for the faith, or for Mary's faith in saying yes with no husband, or for Joseph caring for a child not his own, that's hardly worship. It's thanking God for his goodness and for giving us so many examples of faith-filled people in salvation history.

The coronation in Revelation, taken IN CONTEXT, occurs immediately after the Ark (Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant in Catholic theology, just as Luke tells us by his parallels to 2nd Samuel) appears in heaven. Later in the same chapter we learn that among her offspring are those who hold to the testimony of Jesus.

I'm not out to change your beliefs. That's the work of the Holy Spirit. I'm just here to speak the truth when others lie about Catholic beliefs.

66 posted on 03/18/2013 12:50:26 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: PeevedPatriot
that's hardly worship should read

that's hardly worship of those individuals.

67 posted on 03/18/2013 1:10:48 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: PanzerKardinal
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68 posted on 03/21/2013 7:01:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ELS; Mrs. Don-o

“He mounted the platform and called for pastors to pray for him,” said Bongarrá. “He knelt in front of nearly 6,000 people, and [Protestant leaders] laid hands and prayed.”

Good catch?? Don’t think so.

69 posted on 03/22/2013 7:14:48 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: PeevedPatriot

Thank you for being a voice of civility and common sense. I’m one Catholic who really appreciates you.

70 posted on 03/22/2013 7:18:57 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.)
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