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To: Rashputin; HoosierDammit; crusadersoldier
Hi again, Rashputin. Again, I ask you to consider my comments as stated in charity. Sometimes I don't choose my words well.

I see no way around concluding that anyone who relies on their own personal judgment to interpret Scripture for their self .... is placing them self above the Scripture

I don't see this as self-worship but as a matter of usurpation of authority. I see it as claiming for self the authority we as Catholics ascribe to the papacy and magisterium. That's not the same thing as self-worship from my perspective.

they are worshiping their Self as The Word, not Jesus Christ who is the Word.

When I was Protestant I did not see it this way. Nor do I now although I respect your right to your own views. My situation was worse than you describe. I worshiped a god of my own creation not myself. I adhered to the scripture passages and bits of theology that suited me. I don't think that's self-worship but idolatry because I had a god of my own making.

There are elements of the Truth outside the Catholic Church, no doubt, and pursuing those portions of the Truth rather than deciding what I wanted to believe and interpreting Scripture to suit my preferences is what led me to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church Jesus Christ Himself founded after being Lutheran most of my life.

I didn't know you were a convert too. My situation sounds similar but I'm guessing I was a lot more stubborn than you :) I agree with you that Catholicism is scriptural. And I love how it ties the OT and New together so well.

It's nice to be ecumenical, but those who obstinately deny the Truth by denying the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist and who constantly lie about what the One True Church teaches aren't overlooking something, they're deliberately denying His Word, deliberately telling lies, and deliberately slandering His Church.

There's a difference between deliberately lying about Catholic teaching and sincerely believing something different than Catholic teaching. It's broad characterizations that I object to.

People who who the Holy Spirit is working on do not resist the Truth when it's explained to them.

I did.

They pray, open their heart, and at the very least admit that they can see why there is as much reason to accept what the Catholic Church teaches as to accept what they belive contradicts it.

Getting to this stage can be long and difficult. It was for me anyway. I don't presume to know how the Holy Spirit is working in someone else's life. Nor am I bold enough to claim I know how he should be.

They don't lie and slander pretending that lies and slanders are part of spreading His Word.

Here I agree with you that these aren't works of the Holy Spirit. Once someone has been given an accurate description of Catholic teaching and continues to misrepresent it in comments, this is another matter, yes. Scripture tells us that we will be held accountable for our words. And that accountability will be to God, not me. Likewise, I am accountable if I slander them, am I not?

Making nice with those who lie about and slander the Catholic Church is ... refusing confront those who are under a powerful delusion.

Does confrontation of falsehood necessarily have to be done uncharitably?

Their very manner, in fact, slanders all of Christianity and ignoring such folks only leads others to believe there is no answer to the lies and slander ....

I don't worry too much if someone slanders me. It's Christ who lives in me. He can fight his battles :) IMHO speaking the truth to someone in courteous fashion isn't ignoring them. I don't know about you, but when someone insults me, they've pretty much lost the argument as far as I'm concerned. I'm not inclined to view their comment as reflective of the Spirit if there's not much fruit of the Spirit in it. Some may be called to harsh confrontation. I'm not. You must do as the Spirit bids you.

People who lie about the Catholic Church are confronted with the facts, that's not treating them poorly.

Did I say that speaking the truth is poor treatment? I consider false accusations and unnecessarily harshness as poor treatment.

I'd be treating them very poorly indeed if I left them to stew in their own lies and funky delusional wastes.

Is it up to you where people stew, or do they choose this for themselves? You can speak the truth but you can't control what another does with it, can you? The only part IMHO that you get to control is whether you attract or repel.

I'm sorry, but I don't see it the way you do.

No need to apologize. Your style and my style are different. My point was that the catechism calls us to see our separated brethren as Christians. And I don't buy your self-worship perspective although I respect your right to your own views. My own experience probably biases my view. Had you accused me of self-worship you'd have been off the mark. Had you accused me of idolatry you'd have been correct but ineffective in attracting me toward Catholicism.

Look at CCC 1753 & 1754 then tell me that a desire to be ecumenical is a reasonable response to lies

I don't see anything there that requires me to be harsh or unnecessarily accusatory.

I feel sure Jesus Christ expects to likewise be confrontational when someone is deliberately slandering His Bride.

I'll leave what Jesus does up to him. I'm more concerned that he doesn't find me deliberately slandering any of his children. Peace be with you.

48 posted on 03/16/2013 1:57:42 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: PeevedPatriot; HoosierDammit; crusadersoldier
Fine, in the future I will limit myself to calling them, "whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men's bones, and of all filthiness."

Imitating Christ can't be too harsh when confronting those who slander both Christ and the Bride of Christ.

have a nice day.

59 posted on 03/16/2013 5:03:59 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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