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To: Steelfish
Catholicism’s central truth, the Eucharist, The Mass, the authority of the Petrine Ministry to teach one truth, is directly antithetical to the beliefs of all other Christian religions. There aren’t many pathways to heaven. If so why proclaim one teaching and one truth? If Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, are all valid alternative paths to God, then the life and death of the Christ was superfluous.

The chief problems I have with your post center around those two underlined words. Are you saying that Hinduism, Buddhism and Judaism are "other Christian religions"? Are you saying that "all other Christian religions" claim that there are multiple pathways to heaven, or that they specifically teach that Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism are "valid alternate paths to God"?

How do you square the words of your own cardinals, to your post above?

Who, then, can be saved?

Catholics can be saved if they believe the Word of God as taught by the Church and if they obey the commandments.
Other Christians can be saved if they submit their lives to Christ and join the community where they think he wills to be found.
Jews can be saved if they look forward in hope to the Messiah and try to ascertain whether God’s promise has been fulfilled.
Adherents of other religions can be saved if, with the help of grace, they sincerely seek God and strive to do his will.
Even atheists can be saved if they worship God under some other name and place their lives at the service of truth and justice.

God’s saving grace, channeled through Christ the one Mediator, leaves no one unassisted. But that same grace brings obligations to all who receive it. They must not receive the grace of God in vain. Much will be demanded of those to whom much is given.
-- concluding paragraph (formatting mine), from the thread Who Can Be Saved?
article by Cardinal Avery Dulles


7 posted on 03/16/2013 11:54:34 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Who, then, can be saved?
Catholics can be saved if they believe the Word of God as taught by the Church and if they obey the commandments.
Other Christians can be saved if they submit their lives to Christ and join the community where they think he wills to be found.
Jews can be saved if they look forward in hope to the Messiah and try to ascertain whether God’s promise has been fulfilled.
Adherents of other religions can be saved if, with the help of grace, they sincerely seek God and strive to do his will.
Even atheists can be saved if they worship God under some other name and place their lives at the service of truth and justice.”


These are very good reasons to “burn any bridges” that the Catholic Church builds to meet with Protestants.

Salvation is through Jesus Christ alone. Outside of Him, all are damned.

Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh 3:14-15 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Furthermore, Christians are born not through the will of man or even their own will, but through the will and power of God, whose Spirit blows where it wills.

Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Rom 8:29-31 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Salvation, therefore, from the first to the last, is the work of God. Not of ourselves, nor due to our works, for God is no respecter of persons. It is the mercy of God.

Rom 9:11-16 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) (12) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. (13) As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (14) What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. (15) For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. (16) So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

This is irrevocable. All those who belong to Christ eternally belong. They cannot be removed from God’s hand.

Joh_6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Joh_10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

Notice that in none of these scriptures are we told to “join the community where you believe Christ’s will is” as a condition of salvation. In fact, the condition of salvation... is God’s choice, and not yours at all. So that all who are called by God, have their eyes opened, so that they confess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, thus having their sins forgiven and their lives changed forever.


9 posted on 03/16/2013 12:14:23 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Alex Murphy

Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.

No, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism are not “Christian” religions because they don’t believe in the Christ as the Son of God.

Yes, all other Christian religions (from Rev. Joel Osteen’s “prosperity” Gospel to Rev. Wright’s “socialism” gospel, etc) think and propagate what they believe is their brand of “Christianity” and thus we are presented with multiple pathways to heaven.

Trying to comment on specific excerpts made by one Cardinal of the Church without reference to the whole of his thesis is problematical. Why then evangelize? Why have missionaries? St. Paul should have left the pagans alone? Why have converts from other Christian denominations to the Catholic Church? Why did Cardinal Henry Newman, GK Chesterton, and the long parade of distinguished atheists, including a former Rabbi of Rome, bother to convert to Catholicism? Why have martyrs? Indeed, why did Christ provide the Great Commission to Peter and his Apostles to “Go forth and teach all nations....” and establish His Church (not Churches) where the gates of hell shall not prevail against it?


10 posted on 03/16/2013 12:15:13 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Alex Murphy

Just BELIEVE!


47 posted on 03/17/2013 4:03:25 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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