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To: RobbyS

RE: Not many even know what the teachings of Luther and Calvin were.

I beg to disagree with you here.

Even for the sake of argument, we were to agree that there are those who don’t know what the teachings of Luther and Calvin were, there are MANY who do.

The Pastors, the leaders, men like Luis Palau for instance.

The question still remains — are they under the condemnation of Vatican I? or are they considered “united with Christ” as per Vatican II?


26 posted on 03/17/2013 7:09:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
First of all the specific doctrines of the Protestant Reformers condemned at Trent are still regarded as errors. Luther’s doctrines less so than Calvin’s. Calvin’s less than Zwingli’s and the Anabaptists more than any of the major reformers. But consider how negative the Reformers doctrines were: they rejected the authority of the pope and the council and to a lesser degree that of the Church Fathers. They rejected the sacraments as Catholics --and the Orthodox --understood them. Positively, they were Augustinians who rejected Scholasticism. They were iconoclasts. Now of course, there were differences. Luther believed in the Real Presence; Calvin did also, although in a very attenuated way, but his colleagues in Geneva and later followers tended to the same views as Zwingli.

None believed in a special priesthood, bit instead, they believed in a ministerial class composed of men knowledgeable in the Bible. They rejected Latin as a liturgical language, and used the Vernacular, but trusted their ministers to know the Scriptural language , Greek and Hebrew. Hence the authority of the vernacular Bibles. Today, of course, the Vernacular Bible is accepted as authentic even by those who read not a word of the original languages. No longer is the priest the bridge between God and believer, but the translator and interpreter.

27 posted on 03/17/2013 8:02:13 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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