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To: RobbyS

RE: RE: Then such bodies as the members of the Southern Baptist Convention, which might not recite the Apostle’s Creed, but accepts most of its tenants.

I have news for you. Some Southern Baptist churches DO recite the Apostle’s Creed. And even when in their worship services, some don’t, they ACCEPT ALL OF IT. I don’t understand where the use of the words “most of it” comes from.

By the word “most”, c an you clarify which one of the tenets of the Apostle’s Creed ( and even the Nicene Creed ) they do not accept?

I should know, I’ve been to many of their worship services and spoken to many of their pastors.

I’ve even had the chance to speak to one of their ( now deceased ) leaders, Rev. Adrian Rogers.

There is only one tenet that they might disagree with with the Roman Catholic Church — the word “catholic”.

Roman Catholics understand it as THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH with the Pope at the head.

The non-Catholics understand it to mean the universal church (the body of Christ) that will exist from the time it was founded until Jesus returns. Members of this church are all who have by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ, believed in Him and accepted Him as Lord and Savior REGARDLESS of whether they are members of the Roman Catholic church or not.

But going back to the original discussion...

Vatican I states thusly:

Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema.

You are saying that Roman Catholics can be united with those who are anathema by virtue of what you share in common?

I find this to be most strange. How can you be united and at the same time anathema?

The heretic Arius shared many tenets of the Christian faith with the Orthodox Christians at that time, EXCEPT for his denial of the deity of Christ. He was ANATHEMA and condemned as a heretic. There was no talk of being united by what was shared in common.


30 posted on 03/18/2013 6:40:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
It is Catholic doctrine that the Church is the baptized. What Trent condemns is essentially novelties in doctrine which divide the Church. That is what heresies are. Now as far as the Apostle Creed is concerned, the problem is how much authority is placed in the creed, and of course in the interpretation of its articles. The Lutherans, the Calvinists, and the Baptists all claim to be the Catholic Church, that the Church of Rome apostatized and therefore they do not owe it obedience. The Council of Trent said, no, YOU who say this are the apostates. Religious freedom in the modern sense, which has it that NO ONE has to the right to say how a true Christian is to behave, was a doctrine held by no one. Still is’t, by “orthodox” Christians of every persuasion. It amounts to nothing more than polytheism in a new guise. Doesn’t bother me to hear someone called my faith a “cult.” At least they have definite ideas and believe in the law of non-contradiction.
31 posted on 03/18/2013 1:07:29 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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