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A doctrine is true or false. The only time a person is held to account for a false statement is if it leads him to do something wrong. The pronouncements of the Council were that sola Scripture, at least as it was understood by the council, was false. The rejection of papal authority is less a doctrine than a refusal to be bound by papal authority. It is schism. As to condemnation of individuals, Trent did not acts as a Court as did the Council which condemned John Hus. As to being with Christ, it does depend on what false doctrine one is talking about. Any one who denied —as a Muslim does—that Jesus died for our sins on the cross—is obviously not close to Christ. He has closed this avenue to grace. But the question is how sinful is he?By denying Jesus as savior, has he closed to door to heaven? We can say all the right things about Jesus and be trapped in our sins. We can be oblivious to our sins. We can, on the other hand, go so far as to deny the existence of God and yet be close to him.


54 posted on 03/26/2013 5:08:04 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS

RE: The only time a person is held to account for a false statement is if it leads him to do something wrong.

Here again is what Vatican I says:

if anyone SAYS that it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema

Did you read anything in the above that says — DO SOMETHING WRONG?

I don’t. The above statement seems to say that HOLDING to what they believe is FALSE doctrine IS doing something wrong.

And by implication, it should be EVEN MORE WRONG to lead millions of others to hold such false doctrine.

RE: A doctrine is true or false

I agree with you here. If not holding to the Primacy of the Pope is NOT a false doctrine, no amount of anathema pronounced by any council will have any spiritual effect in heaven or on earth. It would be akin to some angry individual cursing : “God Damn You.” and that’s all.

However, if it IS a true doctrine, then the anathema WILL have spiritual force.

RE: The rejection of papal authority is less a doctrine than a refusal to be bound by papal authority.

Ah, so it is NOT a doctrine then.... I shall have to take this matter up with some friends in the Catholic Church ( especially priests ). I suspect many will disagree with the above statement.

But assuming you are correct, therefore, what follows? If rejection of papal authority isn’t a doctrine, then the anathema has no spiritual power at all.

In which case, Vatican II is right to ignore it.

That has to be the conclusion if you are correct.


55 posted on 03/26/2013 5:53:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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