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To: Houghton M.
So from this:

"From now on all generations will call me blessed, 49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me— holy is his name"

You believe the Bible calls for worship (veneration) of Mary?

Have you ever done a word study on Mary - including Jesus' instruction on her heavenly position or offspring after having Jesus?

Then His Mother and His brothers came to Him but were unable to join Him because of the crowd. He was told, “Your Mother and Your brothers are standing outside and they wish to see you.” He said to them in reply, “My Mother and My brothers are those who hear the word of God and act on it.”

While He was speaking, a woman from the crowd called out and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that carried you and the breasts at which you nursed.” He replied, “Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”


87 posted on 03/16/2013 10:09:02 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: uncommonsense

“Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.” May God bless us, all


89 posted on 03/16/2013 10:17:48 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: uncommonsense

Learn something about words, please.

Veneration means honor. We routinely venerate people,humans. I venerate my mother and you should too because it’s one of the Ten Commandments: Venerate your father and mother that your days will be long in the earth.””

Thats ALL veneration means.

Worship comes from worthship, ascribing worth. Originally it was applied both to humans and God. BUT with the difference that the worth you ascribe to God is different from the worth you ascribe to humans. Even “worship” can properly be offered to humans if by that you merely mean what the word once meant: give the worth they deserve. My father deserves father-worth, my dog deserve dog-worth, God deserves God-worth or dignity.

Elites, not merely kings (magistrates) etc. were called “worshipful gentlement” etc. “Your Worship” was a human title 400 years ago and no one thought the speaker was worshiping the human as God.

But in modern English worship has come to be restricted to ascribing divine worth to the Divine, to God.

So we restrict our honor of Mary to veneration. You will NEVER find the term worship applied to Mary in any modern Catholic writing. If you find it in archaic writings, but read it in a modern way, you are a fool and an idiot, ignorant of history and language.

We venerate Mary as a human being who said Yes to God and carried Him in her womb and nursed him and changed His diapers.

Jesus himself honored his mother. Had Jesus not honored (venerated) His mother, He would have sinned, broken one of the Ten Commandments and he would not be your Savior and mine.

So stop it with the falsehoods you spread about us.

Luther honored and venerated Mary to the end of his life. Wesley did, and believed in her perpetual virginity. Calvin honored (venerated) her. They all did what the woman in the crowd did, whom Jesus endorsed but also used as a teaching moment and in the teaching honored his own mother as one who more than any other heard and kept the word of God.

You are the odd man out. You are the one defying centuries of the life of the Church, both East and West, Protestant and Catholic.

You know better than Wesley,Luther, Calvin, I’m sure. You know so much better than they because you never bothered even to learn what they had to say about Mary.


97 posted on 03/16/2013 10:37:11 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: uncommonsense
I do hope you know that veneration didn't have the meaning of worship associated with it until just after the beginning of the 20th century, and then only in English language dictionaries and as the fourth or fifth usage.

Look at the meaning of veneration from the first few centuries and what it means in Greek or Latin and you'll at least have a clue about what you're talking about. Until then, it's no different than calling the “Gay Nineties” a time when Victorian style homes were popular and queers were all the rage. IOW, it just shows how ignorant and foolish the person making the accusation is.

112 posted on 03/16/2013 11:02:43 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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