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THE FULL PAPAL MASS AT SANTA ANNA'S PARISH THIS MORNING (laity kneel to receive)
southern Orders ^ | March 17, 2013 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

Posted on 03/17/2013 11:56:38 AM PDT by NYer

SOUTHERN ORDERS: BOMBSHELL, THE HOLY FATHER GIVES HOLY COMMUNION TO THE DEACONS BY WAY OF INTINCTION AS THEY KNEEL BEFORE HIM AT THE PARISH CHURCH OF SAINT ANNA'S AND THEN DOES NOT DISTRIBUTE HOLY COMMUNION TO THE LAITY NOR ANY OF THE BISHOPS, THE TWO DEACONS DISTRIBUTE ONLY THE HOSTS TO THE LAITY AS THEY KNEEL TO RECEIVE!!!!!!!

I am watching a live feed from the Mass within the Vatican at Santa Anna parish. The altar is dressed in the free standing altar is dressed in the Benedictine fashion as it was in the Sistine Chapel. The Holy Father is wearing a different miter from the Sistine Chapel and bit more elegant but still simple.

His alb of course is still a very nice, full plain one, like the ones that I like to wear, but he is wearing an amice which I don't, so I guess I'm more like St. Francis in this regard, than Pope Francis.

The Mass is in Italian which should become the official language of the Liturgy!

The Holy Father doesn't sing himself and I pray that it is because he can't and that this isn't some kind of sign of simplicity for the Mass! I actually like the fact that the Ordinary Form of the Mass has more flexibility for the priest singing or not singing and still having the laity's parts sung, like the Kyrie, Gloria, Responsorial Psalm, Gospel Acclamation, Credo, Sanctus, Mystery of Faith, Great Amen, Pater Noster, Agnus Dei and not to mention the Propers.

Oh and yes, the Proper Introit was chanted not some inane hymn although I like hymns, but let's do the liturgy!

The Holy Father preaches standing and from the ambo. I like that actually. His preaching style is quite simple, and I see no notes! He speaks of those who hear the word and then those who are trying to accuse the women caught in adultery, but they don't hear the word. We too are the people some of whome listen to Christ and others who like to cause trouble for others and condemn others. Jesus message is one of mercy.

This is the Lord's strongest message to us, "Mercy!" He comes for the sinner, not for the just. The Lord's mercy is an abyss that we can never really understand!

When anyone comes to the Father and is ashamed to recount their sins, we should not support ourselves in that way and run to God's mercy! The Lord will embrace and welcome us. Jesus then will not condemn us and will say go and sin no more!

After a month or so we find ourselves in sin and we go back to the Lord and go back again and again. The Lord doesn't tire of us, but we tire of asking God of asking for forgiveness. But God does not tire of us and our asking.

Folks, the Holy Father just gave a five minute homily and I have written it as I heard it in Italian!

Several children and adults offer the Universal Prayer.

The Preface and Eucharistic Prayer are in Italian and it is Eucharistic Prayer III. The Holy Father must not be able to sing a word, because another bishop sang "Mystery of Faith" and began the singing of the "Through Him..."! The Pater Noster is spoken not sung, sad!

He is not able to genuflect evidently but gives a very nice bow that looks kind of like a genuflection. He has long elevations of the elements and these are elevated but not overly high.

The sign of peace is in the Roman Style thank God and he offers it to his MC Marini!!!!!!!!

And now, the moment of truth is coming up, how will he distribute Holy Communion to the faithful? Standing or kneeling??????

.....BOMBSHELL! AND TWICE A BOMBSHELL! THE HOLY FATHER DISTRIBUTES HOLY COMMUNION TO THE TWO DEACONS AS THEY KNEEL BEFORE HIM AND BY WAY OF INTINCTION! BUT THE HOLY FATHER SITS AND HOLY COMMUNION IS DISTRIBUTED AND DOES NOT DISTRIBUTE! AND ON TOP OF THAT NONE OF THE BISHOPS OR PRIEST DISTRIBUTE HOLY COMMUNION, ONLY THE TWO DEACONS AND AT THE CENTER OF THE CHURCH (OTHER PRIESTS MAY BE DOING ELSEWHERE, I CAN'T SEE!)

THE COMMUNICANTS ARE KNEELING TO RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION AND ONLY FROM THE HOSTS!


The Holy Father acknowledges a priest from South America after the Mass and then the recessional and Pope Francis is greeting people outside as any priest would do and people are going wild and kissing him, his ring, genuflecting to him.

I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS, THIS MAN IS VERY ITALIAN IN HOW HE RELATES TO THE LAITY!!!! THIS IS GOOD!


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Worship
KEYWORDS: argentina; conclave; popefrancis; romancatholicism
UPDATE, THE FULL PAPAL MASS AT SANTA ANNA'S PARISH THIS MORNING:

Pope Francis celebrates mass at St. Anne Parish

1 posted on 03/17/2013 11:56:38 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Once outside, he broke away from his security and went outside the Vatican gates to greet the Italians.


2 posted on 03/17/2013 11:57:38 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

Say whaaaaa?!


3 posted on 03/17/2013 12:04:59 PM PDT by Argus
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To: NYer

In layman’s terms, he interacts more directly with the people and relies more on the ‘lower ranks’ than is expected?


4 posted on 03/17/2013 12:12:26 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: NYer
The sign of peace is in the Roman Style

What is "the Roman style" for the sign of peace?

And -- if the laity received kneeling, does that mean they received on the tongue?

How will I learn if I don't ask questions . . . ;-)

5 posted on 03/17/2013 12:31:19 PM PDT by maryz
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To: NYer

The priests didn’t distribute Communion? I thought it was prohibited for priests, if they were present, not to distribute Communion but to leave it to deacons or “EEMS.”

Very strange.


7 posted on 03/17/2013 1:02:52 PM PDT by livius
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To: maryz
Not sure what is meant by the Roman Style for the sign of peace. In the Maronite Church, it is done in a very reverent manner beginning at the altar, handed on to acolytes then to 4 children who "carry" the peace (hands folded) to the first person in each pew.

And -- if the laity received kneeling, does that mean they received on the tongue?

Yes ... I posted the video above. You can watch the entire mass ... and probably figure out what is meant by the Roman Style for the sign of peace, as well.

8 posted on 03/17/2013 1:07:03 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: livius
The priests didn’t distribute Communion? I thought it was prohibited for priests, if they were present, not to distribute Communion but to leave it to deacons or “EEMS.”

Prohibited? By whom? I posted a link to the video above. The deacons are in vestments. They receive kneeling and then distribute communion to the laity. No EMHCs (Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion).

9 posted on 03/17/2013 1:09:01 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

I tried looking at the video, but my computer (or that I have only DSL) is, well, less than satisfactory for viewing videos (even worse for listening!).


10 posted on 03/17/2013 1:14:38 PM PDT by maryz
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To: NYer

To my knowledge, the deacons are the “proper ministers of the cup” but the priests, if present, are supposed to distribute the consecrated hosts. The bishop can go sit down while the priests distribute communion because they are, after all, his delegates, but the deacons are handed the chalice and that is what they do (along with 10 or 15 EMCH’s, generally).

I think it’s very strange and it doesn’t bode well for priests under Pope Francis. Removing them from giving communion to their people is not a good move, IMHO.


11 posted on 03/17/2013 1:25:45 PM PDT by livius
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To: maryz

Someone please post if you find out what the “Roman Style” is.


12 posted on 03/17/2013 1:26:41 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: livius
Very odd indeed.

In the Catholic Church, only the priest may consecrate the bread and the wine of the Eucharist. The priest has the power by virtue of his ordination to make Christ present and to reveal his death and resurrection. This power is passed on to him by the Church itself through the sacrament of Holy Orders, linking Church, priest, and laity in the Eucharistic sacrament. In the modern Catholic Church, deacons may hold the cup during consecration, and deacons or lay ministers may distribute the communion to the congregation.

13 posted on 03/17/2013 1:31:15 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: livius

I hope that priests aren’t removed from distributing Communion in our case where we have no deacons and no “EMCHs”! — glad I don’t know what that is. Extra-Marital something?


14 posted on 03/17/2013 1:31:30 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: mnehring
In the modern Catholic Church

Some of us have never made the transition from the "Catholic Church".

15 posted on 03/17/2013 1:35:34 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: NYer
The Holy Father doesn't sing himself and I pray that it is because he can't and that this isn't some kind of sign of simplicity for the Mass!
Singing would take more lung power, that's true. I noticed the cardinals (in Francis' first Mass as pope) took communion on their own at the altar in tincture fashion, while Pope Francis sat and priests served to the laity (same time, but elsewhere) who were sitting behind the cardinals. Is this the norm?
16 posted on 03/17/2013 1:39:54 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

If you watch the video, you will notice that the pope’s chair is offset from center. In my previous RC parish, the pastor’s chair was directly behind the altar and below the Risen Christ figure. The Tabernacle was off to the side (since I left, it has been moved away entirely and hidden in a separate room.) In the Maronite Church, the priest (or bishop) sits in a chair on the left side of the sanctuary and facing the altar. The central focus is Jesus Christ, present in the Tabernacle and on the Crucifix.


17 posted on 03/17/2013 1:46:48 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: steve86

Post 9 has your answer. Sometimes reading the thread is helpful.


18 posted on 03/17/2013 1:48:36 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

You didn’t get the joke?


19 posted on 03/17/2013 1:53:12 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

What are you, about thirteen?


20 posted on 03/17/2013 2:04:21 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

I knew what the acronym meant.

What I don’t understand is how a sufficient number of parishioners can be in a State of Grace to require this fleet of EMCHs or EEMSs?

No, I do not automatically accept any changes to liturgy or rubrics and certainly not dogma, since 1962, not without prayerful scrutiny.

Also, why the dramatic change in demeanor from the friendly comments and FReepmails you have made to me in the past?


21 posted on 03/17/2013 2:14:45 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: maryz
What is "the Roman style" for the sign of peace?

If you can get the vid to work, start at 41 minutes. Looks like Roman style is what we usually see from the popes. It's not a handshake. It's approaching the other, clasping the upper arms or shoulders, and pressing cheek to cheek. Doesn't look any different from other masses I've seen celebrated by recent popes.

22 posted on 03/17/2013 2:17:13 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: PeevedPatriot

Thanks! And no invitation to the folks to say “Howdy!” to one another? ;-)


23 posted on 03/17/2013 2:35:43 PM PDT by maryz
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To: steve86
I got an answer at post #22:

If you can get the vid to work, start at 41 minutes. Looks like Roman style is what we usually see from the popes. It's not a handshake. It's approaching the other, clasping the upper arms or shoulders, and pressing cheek to cheek. Doesn't look any different from other masses I've seen celebrated by recent popes.

24 posted on 03/17/2013 2:38:53 PM PDT by maryz
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To: steve86
You asked:Also, why the dramatic change in demeanor from the friendly....

My answer: Because of this, I guess you call it a "joke. " that you posted

Your joke: glad I don’t know what that is. Extra-Marital something?

I find that, at best, juvenile; hence my curiosity about your age.

25 posted on 03/17/2013 3:00:59 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: maryz

Is this what the lay people attending the Mass are doing or just clergy? It would take my connection much too long at 768kbps to download to check for myself.


26 posted on 03/17/2013 3:30:49 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

If the laity did anything (or were invited to), I didn’t see it!


27 posted on 03/17/2013 3:33:53 PM PDT by maryz
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To: NYer

** The Pater Noster is spoken not sung, sad!**

The author could be wrong here. Check the GIRM. I believe the Our Father is to be spoken and only sung on special occasions.


28 posted on 03/17/2013 4:15:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: livius

livius, deacons are ordinary ministers of the eucharist along with priests so they can administer either the Chalice or the Blessed Sacrament.

Moreover, when a bishop celebrates Mass, the other ministers who officiate with him are his two deacons. The other clergy, whether they be priests or bishops are “only” concelebrants, or they are deacons, priests or bishops who attend in choir.

It is normal that if the celebrating bishop does not distribute Holy Communion to the laity that his deacons do so, because the deacons are “the bishop’s men”, and by receiving from the deacons the congregation are effectively receiving from the bishop himself. Concelebrating priests and bishops “communicate themselves” directly from the altar either before or while Communion is distributed to the congregation.

I must confess, it usually throws me for a moment when I am officiating at Mass with my bishop. It’s a similar principle to the officiating deacons coming at the back of the procession with the bishop, behind all the other clergy - even if that were to include Cardinals.

What concerns me more about this video is that the Pope is obviously not physically able to genuflect - no doubt because of the pins in his knee - nor is he able to remain standing long enough to distribute Holy Communion to the congregation. A number of times he was steadied by the hands of Mgr Marini - his mobility is not great. I do wonder how long he’s got to clean out the stables?


29 posted on 03/17/2013 4:40:54 PM PDT by Deacon Augustine
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To: Deacon Augustine
the Pope is obviously not physically able to genuflect - no doubt because of the pins in his knee - nor is he able to remain standing long enough to distribute Holy Communion to the congregation. A number of times he was steadied by the hands of Mgr Marini - his mobility is not great

This is new information to me.

Puzzling, though, that he chose to ride the city autobus in Buenos Aires rather than hail a diocese van, in light of this disability. I could see even the three steps in and out of the bus to be an obstacle for one so afflicted. Maybe the bus story is not so recent?

30 posted on 03/17/2013 4:47:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Deacon Augustine
It’s a similar principle to the officiating deacons coming at the back of the procession with the bishop, behind all the other clergy

I wondered about that. Now I know, thanks!

31 posted on 03/17/2013 6:45:32 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: NYer
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32 posted on 03/22/2013 8:40:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: steve86

As we have now seen him kneeling to wash women’s feet, I am beginning to question this “disability”. Perhaps it was spin put out there to excuse an abuse.

Strange how a man can kneel to wash people’s feet, but he can’t genuflect before Our Lord! I suppose genuflections at the consecration don’t make good photo-ops - or maybe I’m being too cynical


33 posted on 04/04/2013 4:10:21 PM PDT by Deacon Augustine
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