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Did the Medieval Catholic Church Have a Female Pope?
Christian Post ^ | March 14, 2013 | Michael Gryboski

Posted on 03/17/2013 5:55:14 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

The election of Pope Francis as the 266th bishop of Rome held many milestones. Francis is the first Latin American pope in history and the first non-European pontiff in about 1,200 years.

However, some have claimed that a Medieval pope might have reached a milestone considered impossible given the standards and rules of Vatican City for ordained clergy.

Legend has it that in the ninth century the Roman Catholic Church was ruled briefly by a "Pope Joan," who disguised herself as a man, rising through the ranks of the male-dominated hierarchy.

Many have hailed the legend as true, with two feature-length films (1972 and 2009) and a 2009 novel by American writer Donna Woolfolk Cross advancing the idea.

"For 1,200 years her existence has been denied. She is the legend that will not die--the woman who disguised herself as a man and sat for two years on the papal throne," reads an entry on the home page of Cross' website for the work.

"In this stirring international bestseller, Donna Woolfolk Cross brings the Dark Ages to life in all their brutal splendor, and shares the dramatic story of a woman whose courage makes her a heroine for every age."

However, historians are unconvinced. Mack Holt, professor of History at George Mason University, told The Christian Post that the "Pope Joan" story is fictional in nature.

"Pope Joan is a myth and no serious scholar today believes the story to be true. It was first claimed in the 13th century by Jean de Mailly, a Dominican chronicler, that a woman in male disguise succeeded Pope Leo IV in 855," said Holt.

"After reigning for two years she gave birth to a child and died soon thereafter. Although many medieval Christians believed in this myth, there is no evidence whatsoever to substantiate the story."

Holt attributed the enduring nature of the story to "some people's readiness to believe in any and every conspiracy theory out there."

Diarmaid MacCulloch, a theologian and historian from Oxford University, recently told CNN in an interview that the Pope Joan story is merely fictional satire.

"It keeps appealing to new anxieties and new interests … So first it's medieval people who resented the papacy. Then it's Protestants. Then it's French revolutionaries who want to discredit the church," said MacCulloch.

"The next constituency is actually Catholics who want to see women priests. And this seems to me the most dangerous aspect of the story, because it's using a story which is patently nonsense to boost a good cause."

Oren Falk, associate professor of History at Cornell University and director of its Medieval Studies Program, told The Christian Post that stories like the Pope Joan one were products of Medieval imagination and politics.

"Dominicans and Franciscans were often in conflict with the papacy, especially in the later 13th and early 14th century (at that time the Franciscans were forced by the papacy to relinquish one of their founding principles of not owning property, or be burned as heretics, which a number of them were)," said Falk.

"There are reasons why a scandalous story against the papacy might have been launched, and there are always stories of cross-dressing of heroes and holy men in medieval culture. The oddity of a very learned woman always attracted interest in the Middle Ages as well."

In addition to no confirmed accounts from the ninth century of a "Pope Joan," positioning her after the reign of Leo IV becomes awkward given the confirmed record of papal reigns. According to Catholic Encyclopedia, in the same year that Pope Leo died Pope Benedict III was consecrated; this would make it make hard for a two-year reign by a female pontiff to take place.


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: argentina; catholic; conclave; godsgravesglyphs; middleages; popefrancis; popejoan; renaissance; romancatholicism; urbanlegend
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The election of Pope Francis as the 266th bishop of Rome held many milestones. Francis is the first Latin American pope in history and the first non-European pontiff in about 1,200 years. However, some have claimed that a Medieval pope might have reached a milestone considered impossible given the standards and rules of Vatican City for ordained clergy. Legend has it that in the ninth century the Roman Catholic Church was ruled briefly by a "Pope Joan," who disguised herself as a man, rising through the ranks of the male-dominated hierarchy.....

...."Pope Joan is a myth and no serious scholar today believes the story to be true. It was first claimed in the 13th century by Jean de Mailly, a Dominican chronicler, that a woman in male disguise succeeded Pope Leo IV in 855," said Holt. "After reigning for two years she gave birth to a child and died soon thereafter. Although many medieval Christians believed in this myth, there is no evidence whatsoever to substantiate the story"....

1 posted on 03/17/2013 5:55:14 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

people love myths over reality, especially leftists who live in lala land anyways


2 posted on 03/17/2013 6:05:13 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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3 posted on 03/17/2013 6:06:46 PM PDT by narses
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I saw a program several years ago that showed there is a shrine in Rome at the spot where this fictional Pope Joan died.

People still leave flowers there.


4 posted on 03/17/2013 6:09:42 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Alex Murphy
"There are reasons why a scandalous story against the papacy might have been launched, and there are always stories of cross-dressing of heroes and holy men in medieval culture. The oddity of a very learned woman always attracted interest in the Middle Ages as well."

It also looks attractive as a cudgel with which the feminists can beat the Catholic Church.

5 posted on 03/17/2013 6:13:54 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Alex Murphy

Meanwhile, America’s first female pontiff, Pope Pooftus XVIV, already has broken a number barriers.


6 posted on 03/17/2013 6:26:29 PM PDT by twister881
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To: Alex Murphy

Heh, Pope Joan again. Nothing like a fictional woman with a title that means “Father” . . .


7 posted on 03/17/2013 6:30:33 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Alex Murphy

**”Pope Joan is a myth and no serious scholar today believes the story to be true.**

NO, there has never been a female Pope. Your post has the proof.


8 posted on 03/17/2013 6:30:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I saw a program several years ago that showed there is a shrine in Rome at the spot where this fictional Pope Joan died. People still leave flowers there.

You can see it the thread When in Rome: The Legend of Papessa Giovanna


9 posted on 03/17/2013 6:34:00 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Alex Murphy
A female papa ?

That's absurd

(Except in San FranSicko)

10 posted on 03/17/2013 6:34:51 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Salvation
NO, there has never been a female Pope. Your post has the proof.

Your point being....?

11 posted on 03/17/2013 6:35:11 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Alex Murphy

As much as the left would like to believe there was, there is no evidence that a female pope ever existed.


12 posted on 03/17/2013 6:37:33 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: SuziQ
The oddity of a very learned woman always attracted interest in the Middle Ages as well."

This completely stupid. There were many very learned women during the Middle Ages. St. Catherine of Sienna and St. Teresa of Avila are Doctors of the Church. She wasn't afraid to make suggestions to the Pope. (Which he was impressed with)

13 posted on 03/17/2013 6:38:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Alex Murphy

NO!


14 posted on 03/17/2013 7:06:36 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Alex Murphy

The gay feminists are busy bees.


15 posted on 03/17/2013 7:07:32 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: nickcarraway
St. Hildegard of Bingen has also been named a Doctor of the Church.

I was a student in 1978 and remember the student newspaper editorializing that the cardinals should choose a woman pope, using the Pope Joan story as support.

16 posted on 03/17/2013 7:09:32 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Alex Murphy

If physical structures are proof then Mrs Claus must be real too because I once decorated a cookie in her kitchen. And her place is a lot bigger than Pope Joan’s!


17 posted on 03/17/2013 7:11:34 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: nickcarraway

And this past October, Pope Benedict named Hildegard of Bingen a Doctor of the Church as well...


18 posted on 03/17/2013 7:11:37 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: GeronL
Thank you for being on the correct side of an argument.
19 posted on 03/17/2013 7:23:13 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Alex Murphy
Did the Medieval Catholic Church Have a Female Pope?

No, but the Anglican Church had a female head, like two or three times.

This last female head just endorsed gay marriage.

20 posted on 03/17/2013 7:31:08 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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