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The election of Pope Francis as the 266th bishop of Rome held many milestones. Francis is the first Latin American pope in history and the first non-European pontiff in about 1,200 years. However, some have claimed that a Medieval pope might have reached a milestone considered impossible given the standards and rules of Vatican City for ordained clergy. Legend has it that in the ninth century the Roman Catholic Church was ruled briefly by a "Pope Joan," who disguised herself as a man, rising through the ranks of the male-dominated hierarchy.....

...."Pope Joan is a myth and no serious scholar today believes the story to be true. It was first claimed in the 13th century by Jean de Mailly, a Dominican chronicler, that a woman in male disguise succeeded Pope Leo IV in 855," said Holt. "After reigning for two years she gave birth to a child and died soon thereafter. Although many medieval Christians believed in this myth, there is no evidence whatsoever to substantiate the story"....

1 posted on 03/17/2013 5:55:14 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

people love myths over reality, especially leftists who live in lala land anyways


2 posted on 03/17/2013 6:05:13 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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3 posted on 03/17/2013 6:06:46 PM PDT by narses
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I saw a program several years ago that showed there is a shrine in Rome at the spot where this fictional Pope Joan died.

People still leave flowers there.


4 posted on 03/17/2013 6:09:42 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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"There are reasons why a scandalous story against the papacy might have been launched, and there are always stories of cross-dressing of heroes and holy men in medieval culture. The oddity of a very learned woman always attracted interest in the Middle Ages as well."

It also looks attractive as a cudgel with which the feminists can beat the Catholic Church.

5 posted on 03/17/2013 6:13:54 PM PDT by SuziQ
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Meanwhile, America’s first female pontiff, Pope Pooftus XVIV, already has broken a number barriers.


6 posted on 03/17/2013 6:26:29 PM PDT by twister881
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Heh, Pope Joan again. Nothing like a fictional woman with a title that means “Father” . . .


7 posted on 03/17/2013 6:30:33 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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**”Pope Joan is a myth and no serious scholar today believes the story to be true.**

NO, there has never been a female Pope. Your post has the proof.


8 posted on 03/17/2013 6:30:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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A female papa ?

That's absurd

(Except in San FranSicko)

10 posted on 03/17/2013 6:34:51 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Alex Murphy

As much as the left would like to believe there was, there is no evidence that a female pope ever existed.


12 posted on 03/17/2013 6:37:33 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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NO!


14 posted on 03/17/2013 7:06:36 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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The gay feminists are busy bees.


15 posted on 03/17/2013 7:07:32 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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Did the Medieval Catholic Church Have a Female Pope?

No, but the Anglican Church had a female head, like two or three times.

This last female head just endorsed gay marriage.

20 posted on 03/17/2013 7:31:08 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Alex Murphy

There was a TV show about that last year. I tried watching it, but it got boring.


21 posted on 03/17/2013 8:01:18 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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“Legend has it that in the ninth century the Roman Catholic Church was ruled briefly by a “Pope Joan,” who disguised herself as a man,...”

Legend has it that Mr. Big Foot was seen in Central Park, too...


22 posted on 03/17/2013 8:03:04 PM PDT by Insigne123 (It is the soldier, not the community organizer, who gives us freedom of the press)
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Oren Falk, associate professor of History at Cornell University and director of its Medieval Studies Program, told The Christian Post that stories like the Pope Joan one were products of Medieval imagination and politics. "Dominicans and Franciscans were often in conflict with the papacy, especially in the later 13th and early 14th century (at that time the Franciscans were forced by the papacy to relinquish one of their founding principles of not owning property, or be burned as heretics, which a number of them were)," said Falk.

Interesting that a legend such as there being a woman pope is more scandalous than warring factions of religious orders within the Roman Catholic Church over one groups' principles about the ownership of property. Those that believed the orders should not be about amassing wealth were threatened with execution - and some WERE executed - if they refused to approve the Church's building of its temporal fortune. Somehow, I think the Franciscans had it right. Maybe the new Pope Francis will carry on that tradition. It appears he has already made public his eschewing of the finery, pomp and frills. (Think he might have read Free Republic when we were talking about this?)

25 posted on 03/17/2013 11:26:52 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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However, some have claimed that a Medieval pope might the have reached a milestone considered impossible given the standards and rules...

There's that extraterrestrial, "some" again. Maybe we should pronounce it so-may to make it sound more authoritative, when the "some" is always characterized by the subculture of the "sexual perversion" description.

26 posted on 03/18/2013 12:02:02 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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I don’t see why anyone even cares...

Papal history is full of stuff like this.

“Otto I subsequently summoned a council which demanded that John present himself and defend himself against a number of charges. John responded by threatening to excommunicate anyone who attempted to depose him. Undeterred, the emperor and the council uncanonically deposed John XII, who by this time had gone hunting in the mountains of Campania, and elected Pope Leo VIII in his stead.”

“Edward Luttwak, The Grand Strategy of the Byzantine Empire, (Harvard University Press, 2009), 150.”

[Otto I] didn’t like what Pope John XII was doing so he deposed him and put in his own Pope, Leo VIII. Doh!

So why all the denial? Pope Joan is pretty small potatoes compared to all the other little “oopsies” with which the Catholic Church has to contend.


28 posted on 03/18/2013 7:04:32 AM PDT by MeOnTheBeach
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